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Hi cheriepie, and welcome here.
Originally posted by cheriepie
The Press Conference- Story has it that Marilyn had called a press conference to tell all about the affairs with the Kennedy's after they ignored her and refused her calls. Except she died the night before she could spill the beans......This is another Robert Slatzer fabrication. Again, no one of any credibility backs the press conference story, and ACTUAL friends of hers actively deny it.
Originally posted by cheriepie
First, the photo of her and JFK? Absolutely FAKE. It was for a photo shoot, with lookalikes, by photographer Allison Jackson. So the thousand words it speaks are "models, photo shoot, hoax, fake, etc."
I'm curious. Is it only Frank Capell and Robert Slatzer who claim that Marilyn was murdered?
I exert a lot of effort dealing with what I call the Collective Monroe Conscious. That is what I call the legion of half-truths and outright lies about Marilyn that the general public has heard repeated so often that they accept it as fact. It's tiresome when the general public touts these easily disproven things as fact. I approach everything with a scientific mind- that is, any information presented to me must be from a credible source, have evidence to back it up, and stand up to scrutiny before I will tout it as fact. That being said, here are some of the more pervasive and untrue rumors about Marilyn Monroe:
The Kennedy's Did It: No, Frank Capell and Robert Slatzer did. Started this rumor, that is. Neither is a credible source. Frank Capell started this rumor in his 1964 book The Strange Death of Marilyn Monroe, which was a right wing anti-government, anti-Communism propaganda. It was largely ignored until along came the man who made a career out of lying about Marilyn: Robert Slatzer. He was a journalist who met her very briefly on the set of Niagara. Years after her death he proposed writing a book about her and was told his idea wasn't juicy enough...so he suddenly remembered! Oh yes, he had forgotten to mention that he had married her! And he just KNEW the Kennedy's had something to do with it! Now THERE'S something juicy...and he got his book deal. So suddenly, in 1974, the Kennedy rumor started and snowballed even though there is no actual evidence for any of it. For as much as a slimeball liar Slatzer was, he sure knew how to work the media, showing up in numerous Monroe documentaries going on and on with his ridiculous stories that no one could back up.....until he started paying them to do so. He is the source of the Marilyn/UFO rumors....he called a press conference about it when everyone stopped paying attention to him and he needed something to spice things up.
The Red Diary- Story has it that Marilyn had a mysterious red diary that she jotted down things to talk to the Kennedy brothers about. It got filled with all sorts of government secrets, and that's why she was killed and the diary subsequently disappeared. Oooh, intrigue. Except.......this was another story made up by Robert Slatzer and first appeared in his book. No one of any credibility backs up this story, and people who do have credibility actively deny it.
The Press Conference- Story has it that Marilyn had called a press conference to tell all about the affairs with the Kennedy's after they ignored her and refused her calls. Except she died the night before she could spill the beans......This is another Robert Slatzer fabrication. Again, no one of any credibility backs the press conference story, and ACTUAL friends of hers actively deny it.
The Wiretapping- This comes from a few sources, Bernie Spindel, Milo Speriglio, and Matthew Smith. Then you realize that they all work together and collaborated their stories. Funny how not one of these tapes has ever surfaced. Also funny is how they claim her attic was stuffed with recording and wiretapping equipment even though her house didn't have an attic.
When watching a Marilyn documentary, please dismiss anything said by Robert Slatzer or Jeanne Carmen. When reading a Marilyn book, please look for who the author's sources are. Often it's Robert Slatzer. (for example, Anthony Summers and Donald Wolfe rely heavily on him). Please remember that Slatzer is a guy who claimed he was married to Marilyn in Mexico even though there is irrefutable proof that she was in LA that weekend. Also please remember that this is the man who called a press conference to announce that Marilyn had been murdered because she knew too much about UFO's!!! Before accepting anything about Marilyn as fact, look at the source. Look at the collaborating evidence. Do not just accept things you hear repeated at face value, research for yourself. To go around repeating untrue things about her without bothering to find out the truth is disrespectful to her memory.
her
PS- as an aside to the comment about tagging her as a Communist, the FBI already did when the HUAC was investigating her then-husband Arthur Miller. There are numerous allegations of Communist activity about her in the FBI files on her.
I'm not drawing any conclusion, and we may never know the truth (unfortunately). But nevertheless indeed an intriguing conspiracy story.
Originally posted by Anunaki10
www.youtube.com... This video show that the driver and his passenger could not had shot JFK, and i agree with that.
Originally posted by randyvs
"A trick of the light" is the explanation given as to why we see the driver point a pistol at Kennedy at the exact moment he recieves the fatal head wound. What are the odds of that? I have seen what Bill Cooper is talking about. It looks exactly as he claims. What are the odds? My guess would be the most astronomical you can imagine. Impossible. Funny that Coop
isn't aroiund anymore either.
Snf
Good video Kandi I haven't seen that one.
[edit on 5-9-2010 by randyvs]
And why should the driver or his passenger shoot JFK unnoticed? First, it would be crazy, secondly, people (police officers, secret agents and the rest of the croud near the vehicle) would clearly had noticed in case the driver or his passenger would pull a gun.
It officially states it was Oswald who from a building (from a high level position, pointing the rifle downwards) shot all three shots at JFK from a back angle position. But how is that possible? Long time ago i saw a another youtube video clip (i don't remember what youtube clip) were it clearly shows that the last shot came from the front, as JFK's head is forced backwards.
In the 1990'ies i watched the JFK movie were Kevin Costner played the attorney who investigated the JFK assasination. I of course assume that Kevin Costner played this real attorney. If i recall, the JFK movie should describe the authentic investigation. The real investigation show that it is impossible that a rifle could had shot all three shots within few seconds. The investigation also states that all three shots were shot from three different angles (from ground level position).
www.john-f-kennedy.net...
blogs.myspace.com...
edit on 9-9-2010 by Anunaki10 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Anunaki10
Originally posted by cheriepie
First, the photo of her and JFK? Absolutely FAKE. It was for a photo shoot, with lookalikes, by photographer Allison Jackson. So the thousand words it speaks are "models, photo shoot, hoax, fake, etc."
www.snopes.com...
www.alisonjackson.com... en.wikipedia.org...
www.cracktwo.com...
www.snopes.com...
Sorry, i didn't knew that the above photo of JFK and Marilyn is fake.
www.dailymail.co.uk... According to this link Marilyn was invited to Palm Springs for one night only. According to an unnamed Secret Service agent, JFK and Marilyn had sex, and that it was not unusual that JFK had affairs with other woman. One night with JFK were appaently not enough for Marilyn and beame fixated, and JFK refused to return her phone calls. So apparently no romance between JFK and Marilyn.
I think we can say that the intimate photo of JFK and Marilyn is fake.
Trust me, i dismiss anything said by Robert Slatzer or Jeanne Carmen.
Originally posted by cheriepie
When watching a Marilyn documentary, please dismiss anything said by Robert Slatzer or Jeanne Carmen. When reading a Marilyn book, please look for who the author's sources are. Often it's Robert Slatzer. (for example, Anthony Summers and Donald Wolfe rely heavily on him). Please remember that Slatzer is a guy who claimed he was married to Marilyn in Mexico even though there is irrefutable proof that she was in LA that weekend. Also please remember that this is the man who called a press conference to announce that Marilyn had been murdered because she knew too much about UFO's!!! Before accepting anything about Marilyn as fact, look at the source. Look at the collaborating evidence. Do not just accept things you hear repeated at face value, research for yourself. To go around repeating untrue things about her without bothering to find out the truth is disrespectful to her memory.
her
PS- as an aside to the comment about tagging her as a Communist, the FBI already did when the HUAC was investigating her then-husband Arthur Miller. There are numerous allegations of Communist activity about her in the FBI files on her.
Hi Cheriepie A very warm welcome to you here.
Originally posted by cheriepie
I'm a girl. Thanks for your warm welcome.
I do take Marilyn very seriously, and have studied her at length. Ask anything you want about her, if I don't know offhand I can usually obtain the information. I know a lot of people connected to her.
You have no idea how much i want to kick Robert Slatzer's butt out to the space, knowing he is moving away from earth.
Originally posted by cheriepie
The entire story about her having a press conference was made up by Slatzer, to make his book juicier. It just wasn't in her nature to do something like that. For example, she had three ex-husbands and never spoke an ill word of any of them, even when they tried to bait her into saying something snarky. Considering that it was not in her character to do such a thing, and that the source of the information is a man proven time and time again to be a total liar, the 'press conference' story needs to be dismissed entirely. Not one of her actual friends backs up anything Robert Slatzer said! No one who actually knew her supports the press conference rumor, the diary rumor, any of it. The man was an opportunistic liar who saw a chance to exploit Marilyn after she was gone and couldn't defend herself, and because he was so good at manipulating the media the general public thinks his lies are fact. It's sad, and I do what I can to tell people the truth about her.
Though I will assert with all my conviction that she was indeed murdered.
Originally posted by Anunaki10
Trust me, i dismiss anything said by Robert Slatzer or Jeanne Carmen.
People like Robert Slatzer and Jeanne Carmen should be punished in court and put in jail, that's my opinion.
Marilyn don't deserve to be treated like that by such dirty bastards. It hurts my heart.
Thanks for bringing this up, zeldazonk.
Originally posted by zeldazonk
And her psychiatrist to is encouraging all this.
Dear Marilyn. I am down on my knees and begging you to forgive me. I wasn't thinking clear at the time i maded that post were i laughed (page 1 on this thread). I wish i could go back in time and never laughed. I am not meant to hurt you, and never was/is my intention. I still learn about my mistakes, and i'm still learning to be a better person.
Originally posted by Anunaki10
If it is true (i will try find out) that JFK told Marilyn a secret about a visit to a US Air Force base hiding a downed UFO and its dead aliens from outer space, and his plan to kill Fidel Castro, then it's definitly not a smart move. Got Marilyn killed, got himself and his brother shot
Originally posted by igor_ats
well jfk revealing UFO info to a comfort woman wasn't exactly a very smart move. Pillow talk got Monroe killed.
Strangely reminds me of that character in the 2012 film where he mentioned Monroe and Roswell in his camper van/
Originally posted by zeldazonk
I know a Lot about MM (thus the username).. which is the name she used when pretending to be a secretary for the president at the white house.
She actually met JFK in the 40s! Yes, the 40s at a party. So she already knew him before she became famous.
And yes, she did threaten to hold a press conference which was a big deal because RFK (which was the brother she liked most, romantically) had nonchallantly blabbed to her about Bay of Pigs, Castro, UFOs and other Top Secret info. Which she dutifully scrawled into her notebook. Of course her notebooks and red diary have mysteriously disappeared at the time of her death. But according to some accounts, her house was ransacked the day of her death... in which eyewitnesses claim to have seen RFK there.
Her neighbors even reported that there was a black helicopter hovering over her house that night. Bizarre!
Originally posted by cheriepie
Please forgive me, I am very new to this site and not sure how to reply directly to comments.
@Anunaki- You seem like a sincere and genuine Marilyn fan. I run a Facebook page for collectors of Marilyn memorabilia, where I help to authenticate items and expose forgeries. Please come join me there- it's just called Marilyn Monroe Collectors. Make yourself known when you join, and I will contact you through my private account. You can ask me anything you want about Marilyn- if I don't know the answers, I know the people who do. I am in contact with people who knew her, people who knew the people she surrounded herself with, the people who own the largest collections of Marilyn memorabilia in the world, and several respected authors of Marilyn biographies. I also own 70+ books about her in my own collection. Just post something there that says "Hi, I'm Anunaki from ATS' and I'll get in touch with you.