Ronald Reagan, a plant?

I grew up during the Reagan Era. Actually heard his assasination attempt on the radio only minutes following the episode.

Tell me, I am going to link a video with him. Does he sound like anyone else? Did he follow through with his speeches? At what point in time, did his assassin hit him?

This only happened a short 30 years ago. For those that are under that age, or are not old enough to remember at the age you were, did things change after the attempt?

Anyway, someone sent me this vid linked on an email so I thought I would share.

Reminds me why I quit being political, maybe that should have made me more active, but we all come to the point that we either commit to an action, or endeavor to persevere.

If anyone recalls the relevance to that saying, you are TOO DAMN old.

Anyway, without further ado, your President, Ronald Wilson Reagan.



edit to add-who actually is the enemy? Is it the muslim, is it the jew, is it the christian, who the HELL is it?

Who exactly is our enemy? Is it our very own fear? Is our fear used against us?

Yes, Reagan was an actor, but was he REALLY an actor, or was he a PROPHET?

EDIT TO ADD-a quote

"there is one inspector for every 30 farmers in America, yet they cannot tell us how 66 shiploads of grain heading for Austria disappeared without a trace"

[edit on 18-8-2010 by saltheart foamfollower]

If i were to pick a plant, i would deffinatly say he was an asparagus for some reason, dunno why, hope that helps?

[edit on 18-8-2010 by Johnze]

A plant?
more like he was an ornamental....
After his assaination attempt he settled right into line.
once he got the idea that independant action was going to get him planted.
I think he was selected, and then when he tried to do what was counter to the PTB they sent him and anyone like him, a little love note.
I mean Iran contra....come on
he had good writers though:
"A people free to choose will always choose peace."
Ronald Reagan
thats why the US is in a constant state of war.


[edit on 18-8-2010 by Danbones]

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


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one simple puff and your goneeeeeeeeee

Hey, both of you peeps, have you watched the vid?

This was WAY before he even attempted to become president.

Please watch the vid. Maybe you will understand why I posted it.

An addition to the discussion.

Reagan was talking about poverty. At the time, they spent 45 billion on welfare.

Divided into the 9 million that would be 4-5000 per person. Now at that time, poverty was at 4000 per year. Explain to me, WHY we needed a system of welfare? Why not just give them the money DIRECTLY?

Listen to the ENTIRE vid. You will be amazed. This was 7 years prior to his national recognition.

edit to add- at the time, 4700 dollars is what they were spending per child, YET, it cost only 2700 dollars per year to send them to HARVARD!

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haha ( The holiest of the plants may I add )

Have to add, this is the speech where the famous line was used.

"Yet anytime that you or I question the motives of the do gooders, we are denounced as being against their humanitarian goals, they say we are always against things, we are never for anything, well the trouble with our liberal friends is that not they are ignorant, it is just that they know so much that isn't so."

I wrote this by delaying the vid, I may have got a couple things wrong, but I doubt it.

My question is, is this NOT prescience?

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


prophet!!!!!!

change a few words and its todays environment

the enemies are:

big government
nanny state
corporate welfare
welfare
liberalism itself

im and old dude to lived under carter,reagan,bush,clinton,bush and now obama


hands down in my opinion reagan has been the best president i have ever lived under- i will get slammed for that comment but i dont care.


so for all you bush bashers get a few more presidents underneath your belt before you make any comments.


and im talking about living under not reading some msm rag or website.

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reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

I see why you like what you watched.
but IMHO it is his stock in trade...he was an Actor
Not unlike Obama's skill at reading from the teleprompter
I am not meaning to shoot your OP down.
the guy was good at his acting/politician job

He was a radio man who had as a claim to fame that he made up plays when things were slow
He read play by play off of the wire
He was with the film unit while in the army where he made Captain

What you are seeing is a thespian.
in that speach he was summerizing assembled notes as you can see as he looks down constantly to keep his facts straight, I dont think he did the research, he is speaking from bullet points..in his own words.
like inventing plays off the wire.
Though he does kicks Arnold's butt as a speaker.

He does it fairly well, but what you are seeing is not the same kind of intelligence and command of his subject that his hired help had.
Just watch any discourse by Paul Craig Roberts, Reagen's Undersecretary of the Treasury, the father of Regeanomics, on how Aipac owns the presidency
www.youtube.com...

I think the movie Team America really captured this phenominon well.

Now I'll concede that I enjoyed watching it when I imagined it was a movie.

reply to post by neo96



I was born under Reagan. Only having been barely aware then, I still would agree for certain. Best President I've lived under. (I did have love for Clinton though, he was a humorous individual).

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The rhetoric from politicians hasn't changed a bit.

In this speech the enemy was communism, as the cold war was raging back then.

Today it's terrorism.

Either way, it seems we always have an "ism" to wage war against and, as this video proves, we don't even need to change the scripts the politicans use. We just cross out yesterdays enemy and write in todays.

Prescient or brilliantly deductive? No. Just a man endoctrinated in all the proper terminology and let loose to spew the rhetoric of the day.

reply to post by Danbones


Just imagine for a moment, if Barry Goldwater would have won that presidency.

Sorry, but EVERYTHING we talk about here, the fed, the wars, the globalization, the socialization of our country, would NOT have happened?

Tell me, would we be where we are today?

Would we be in this crapazoid today?

Did you watch the entire speech?

Yes, he was a good orator. He did mess up a couple times though. You know, he did NOT have a teleprompter. He spoke from the heart, he BELIEVED in what he said, yet he KNEW what he spoke about, not just trained as our puppets are today.

Anyway, I always loved that speech. Even though today, people would say it was insignificant because of the size.

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Did you even watch the video?

I doubt it, because NOT ONCE was communism mentioned.

Mainly, it had to do with government largesse.

Am I wrong, or did you watch the same video I did?

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


I watched the entire video. I did not say that the man said communism specifically. Communism was the undertone - the boogeyman, as it where, behind the rhetoric.

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Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower

edit to add-who actually is the enemy? Is it the muslim, is it the jew, is it the christian, who the HELL is it?

Who exactly is our enemy? Is it our very own fear? Is our fear used against us?

Yes, Reagan was an actor, but was he REALLY an actor, or was he a PROPHET?

EDIT TO ADD-a quote

"there is one inspector for every 30 farmers in America, yet they cannot tell us how 66 shiploads of grain heading for Austria disappeared without a trace"

[edit on 18-8-2010 by saltheart foamfollower]

These are the questions I was attempting to address and was not limiting myself to a single, short, speech. But to the whole of the situation which existed in that time period and the thing which were influencing the rhetoric of this speech.

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

Yes, I did watch the whole film
twice
yes, he made some valid points in that speach
it is a good speech in the sense you mean, as a speech that portends today.
limited hangout IMHO
But I believe that he was selected
Goldwater was never meant to win.
like Kerry
Schwarzenegger inherited Califournia it didn't just happen lately
Reaganomics preceded today too...

Reagan helped radicalize the Muslims that have replaced the Russians.
The wall was set to fall before Reagan, not because of him

Clinton was way better at off the top speech making then anyone.
voteing machines and all though, these guys still have to keep up the pretence of winning some votes.
again Im not trying to diss the OP
in the sence of speeches Reagan did do some good ones
tear down that wall for instance

"Politics I supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. "
"Politics is just like show business. You have a hell of an opening, coast for a while, and then have a hell of a close. " - Ronald Reagon

as I said it wasn't a waste of time to watch
it is likely Im a bit jaded LOL
if it wasn't for that reason I would rate it higher.
so Don't think Im critisizing without the filter of my own personal lense


[edit on 18-8-2010 by Danbones]

Old Ronnie just stuck to the script just like the good little figureheads we have had since LBJ.Meanwhile his handlers were attempting to live out their 007 dreams and got caught if it were not for W.'s dad those guys would have gone to jail and Reagan would have been impeached.

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Someone already did the "no he was not a plant, he was a vegetable" joke yet?



The dude was an actor, ya think he might have been playing a part? Nooo! Heaven forfend!



Just saying.

Is it same Ronald Reagan that financed Al Qaeda and helped Osama bin Laden to establish his leadership?

I'd say we should send invoices for the 9/11 families compensation to his family and/or fund, exhume his body and Fedex it to Saudi Arabia or Pakistan for proper muslim burial.

I spit on this excuse of a man.