China Targets US Troops with Arms Buildup

China Targets US Troops with Arms Buildup

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China is aggressively building up military forces to strike U.S. forces in the western Pacific and elsewhere as part of what the Pentagon calls an array of high-tech "anti-access" missiles, submarines and warplanes in its latest annual report.

The report to Congress on China's military power, released Monday, also warned that China's military is extending its global military reach beyond a weapons buildup to wage regional war with Taiwan and the United States. The report also questioned U.S.-

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This is a very interesting article and details the growing strength of China and not just martial strength, but also political strength.

China is the next big super-power and it has been my belief for a long time, that once the American empire falls, China will take her place.

With that being said, I don't think China will engage us in armed conflict, so long as there economy is dependant on our own, however as soon as this isn't the case, I believe they are going to make a move and take the crown ans the premier force to be reckoned with. This would allow them to project their influence as America and the west has been doing for almost 100 years.

This report is quite alarming and irregardless of its intent, we have to recognize the powerhouse that China is becoming. While we are busy fighting for resources, over-stretching our military, dismantling our Constitution and shipping our economy off-shore, if not destroying it all together, China is positioning itself as the preeminent power.

All in all, it's amazing how fast that China is technologically advancing its military and moving up in the world. Pretty soon, the resources that we are in control if, are going to be needed by China and once our economy is no longer capable of benefitting the Asian power-house, they are going to sneak in and surprise us all. I suggest that everyone start to learn the Chinese language.

--airspoon

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Pretty strong language for an untrusted new source...

Anyways, it's all just part of strategy. Every country has military plans to attack another country, if such actions were required. They are just putting pieces into place.. I doubt if it's to show aggression.

Well a trusted source or not, I peronally have always felt that China, and Russia is a threat to the United States. Everyone wants to be the big boy on the block its human nature.

Originally posted by humbleseeker
Well a trusted source or not, I peronally have always felt that China, and Russia is a threat to the United States. Everyone wants to be the big boy on the block its human nature.

Someone called my name??

It is wel known that China also disliked the previous show with South Korea and Japan. And the US and South Korea are planning a bigger one.

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Which news source is trusted? I don't think anyone of them can hold such a title. Furthermore, as I said in the OP, I'm certain that China wouldn't show aggression towards the US, at least until their economy no longer benefits from ours to the degree in which it does. This really goes for the entire west.

However, my issue isn't with the buildup of their military hardware so much as it is with the hardware itself. China is rising at an extremely fast rate and if history tells us anything, nations who grow with such vigor almost always lead to agression in their endevours. Think Alex' Greece, Rome, England, Germany and the US. Really, only Russia is the exception, though not entirely.

--airspoon

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In the future the whole world will speak 'Chinglish'. :-)

Seriously though, unless some unexpected cataclysm occurs I don't think you are wrong. People have been gambling that wealth will bring political freedom to China. Doesn't seem to be happening so far. I'd say that China proves democracy doesn't flow from (or is necessary for) economic success.

Its pretty obvious that in future China will be an undemocratic peer nation deterred by the nuclear arsenal as the Soviet Union once was.

Here is a link to the full Report to Congress

www.defense.gov...

We survived one cold war. With cool heads and diplomacy we can survive another.

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Previously, (perhaps up until a few years ago?) I too felt that China looked as if it was uninterested in engaging in any kind of direct aggression or conflict with, well anyone, unless it was a neighbouring state or contested province in which China had a history of ownership/governance issues. Indeed, that strategy appears to have worked very well for them.

However, I have been researching and watching the situation change, and especially in the wake of the global economic collapse, broadly seen as emanating from the US, I personally see a change in stance and relations.

Please take a look at this recent thread I created (just last week):
Tension between the US and China escalating on several fronts This gives some insight into how the signs of tension/aggression do appear to be showing a far more tangible (e.g. removing v.important mineral resources from the US/West's reach) effects now, I am increasingly concerned about where this is going, and also why it is not receiving more attention in the MSM....

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I'll take what you have said and raise you one. Sure, China may not have political freedom, but do we? I don't think we are really that far ahead of China when it comes to political freedom. Our own two-party political system is hardly political freedom as they are more like one big party with two different faces. They really only oppose each other on relatively non-important issues. To go even further, some argue - and convincingly so - that we really don't even have a choice between the two seemingly alike parties, seeing how the new electronic voting machines aren't transparent in their method.

In fact, an argument could be made that our system is far more dangerous because in China, they at least know that political freedom is non-existent.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


--airspoon

I'll paste my answer from another thread on this topic....


Somewhere in China people are now reading an article called "PLA leadership cites concerns in US military growth".

Not that I'm particularly fond of the Chinese regime - I'd prefer the US any time over it - but these kinds of concerns are so eerily pre-WW1 that I'm almost out of words. It's like the British back in the 1900's... When you are the worlds superpower... Then you will have a hard time not to fall into a mindset where every rearmement effort in any corner in the world will in your view take on a nefarious character while in truth you are the one fuelling the arms-races.

The status of "Superpower" or "Full spectrum dominance" may be appealing on a prima facie basis, but in effect is is the most paranoid and unhealthy position a nation can take. You'll be caught up in chasing ghosts most of the time.

Or maybe this is just an eerie feeling and we will laugh about these stories like we laugh about those American pundits who predicted a Japanese-US war over world trade back in the 80's. Who knows.

World military spending percentage:

USA: 46.5%

China: 6.6%

www.globalissues.org...

(data as of 2010)

As I said, chasing ghosts, spending a fortune that could have hailed in the golden ages - that's what you get for being a superpower. Whatever spoils an empire may bring with it - it just don't seem wort it to me.

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you'll get no argument from me on that score....

I'm a brit and there is a glimmer of hope with the coalition govt (a glimmer only mind you). In the US the only people making any sense are people who the system keeps out.

if china started a draft of all people old enough to fight, we would be in some serious trouble. although personally i do not believe any foreign power would ever be able to successfully occupy the united states. just think of how the rabble rabble crowd would react.. they took our jobs!!!! turk durk!!!!

This may seem like a small thing here compaired to this article but over the past two days we have been seeing dozens of fighter jets over head. Three more are flying over as I type this. They all appear to be headed to Lemoore AFB here in central California. Got a good look at two this morning and they look like F-15. The current count is 23 jets but they were continuing to fly over well after we went to sleep last night so no telling how many we missed. Lemoore traditionally has only one fighter wing stationed there so they are either 'just passing through' or they are beefing up. Just an observation, we have no internal ties that could give us any real information. Also an observation: It is not uncommon to see one or two jets coming in from the east but we have never seen the numbers we are seeing now in our 25+ years living here.

Originally posted by 2weird2live2rare2die
if china started a draft of all people old enough to fight, we would be in some serious trouble

Not enough boats to get them here and not enough rifles to hand out...

Originally posted by 2weird2live2rare2diealthough personally i do not believe any foreign power would ever be able to successfully occupy the united states.

Look around.. They have.

Vancouver IS FULL of Asians.. Can you IMAGINE if 100,000 white people moved to the Japanese shores and opened up shops and bought up all the real-estate and made huge malls strictly for white people with ONLY English written signs?...


IT WOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED. However, the Japs damn near own BC and they literally bought Banff, Alberta.

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if china started a draft of all people old enough to fight, we would be in some serious trouble.

Then by your thinking we're in trouble.

China has no draft - Since 1949 China's Military is mandatory. That and there are so many volunteers there's be no need for the draft.

peace

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Thanks for the link to the report, I just wonder how quickly the situation is changing, and how much info was actually revealed by the intel/government in that publication.

I found this article today in The Telegraph Time is running out for the West, which gives us some idea of how, and how fast, the economic fortunes/prospects of our Western nations are changing - facing not only the existing and far from resolved economic crisis, but also from an imminent and unhelpful demographic change (essentially focused around inheriting aging populations - when arguably the reverse would be better to deal with the debt crisis).

I really do wonder how well/long the West will be able to sustain it's existing military advantages should the economic and global political tables turn sufficiently, and the cards fall in a way that continues to support China and her chosen allies/in-favour trade partners, who will surely aim to sustain and grow alternative markets (e.g. Africa, S.America, etc...they are already active in creating this) to help them around the problems with their old trade staples - the West, as and when it is necessary?

From what I've read, China as a state, whilst communist today, also sees itself as the millennia old entity it arguably is, still appears to be playing a long game...and probably assumes the USA's empire is to some extent just another flash in the pan like all the other super-powers it has outlived...except that the USA was one of the western powers that was instrumental, as they see it, in deposing and/or holding back China from it's long estabished position as one of the worlds greatest economies, 100 or so years ago...

They appear to have both the ambition, organisation, and have massively prepared alternative global alliances, development and resource deals in place just when the USA appears to be stumbling, and we are hearing of numerous [Chinese] actions [unhelpful/hostile positioning of the currency, throwing a spanner in the rare-earth/high-tech industries, aggressively pursuing phasing out of the dollar/default reserve status] that seem to be pushing the USA/dollar/recovery down now...

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really..?

i have to disagree, Nick Clegg has sold out to all Lib Dems who voted for him and we are basically under a Conservative government. Clegg is Camerons puppet and i think when these cuts come properly in the autumn the economy is going down, even the experts are 50/50 on this one. So yeah i wouldnt say theres a glimmer at all. Id say the outlook is very very gloomy.

But at least im not in the US atm they have it worse methinks

MooseVernel

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I think that 'invasion' or occupation of the USA (West) is really, really missing the point. If China manages to establish, defend and grow towards a position as Top super-power [initially economically], whilst the USA/NATO enters a period of severe economic difficulty, think how will that transform the reach, influence, and allegiencies of existing USA allies, or dependents, many of whom are also already facing similar economic catastrophe?

The USAs econmic fortunes could be radically altered, unable to sustain trade, and arms investment at anything like the pace of today (thinking Russia post '89), the USA may quite quickly find their military advantages usurped by Chinese/allied tech, whilst simultaneously juggling the internal and external political/military tensions and issues that might (and the history of fading empires provides precedent for being likely to) occur.

I can't see any need or desire to 'go in' to the USA, China will if given the chance, be busy and wiser to stay away and concentrate on building increased security and influence both around it's existing regional borders, and most important new markets and suppliers...no?

It's all hogwash. No one is surpassing the USA or taking it over any time in the distant future.

First off, to invade the mainland of America would be suicide. If, and that's a strong if, china managed to even make it to the shores before being decimated by the navy and airforce, the small percentage that did make it would be falling over left and right to our snipers or being blown to dust by our tanks.

Secondly, even though I will agree that our forces in the region of china could be at an elevated risk I honestly doubt that China has the capability to destroy even a couple of the huge fleet of US carries escorted by the all those jets and submarines. Even more important though, is why would China even attack first? They are smater then that. Japan said it best after the attacks on Pearl Harbor, it would be like awakening a sleeping giant. You think the Nuclear Bomb was devistating? I can only imagine what the US has secretly developed and ready to go in such emergencies and I doubt China wants to be the first to taste it.

Sorry boys and girls, but a nation doesn't spend nearly 50% of all funds on it's military for nothing.

Also, the USA can survive just fine without trading with China. We can grow our own food, we have our own water and believe it or not we can actually make our own stuff. We've done it before. As a matter of fact, it might be for Americas best interest in the long run if China did cut us off economically. Maybe then, we wouldn't be so dependant.




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They haven't done anything badly wrong so far.

Labour had to go. Gordos solution to everything was "more spending , more red tape, more complicated tax benefits only shysters can understand." A Conservative govt shackled a little by the Lib Dems social conscience is preferable to a pure conservative one.

Really though, any govt that does the right thing now wont be forgiven for the pain caused. Labour are laughing from the other benches.

This is too far off topic to continue here.