Aus PM Gillard + Obama same same

LOL some great replies,cheers guys.

Yes i think you hit the nail on the head "They are all clowns" and the entrance exam is easy,ya just need a big pair of floppy red shoes,no experience necessary. .

Politicians dont get paid very well (they get great benefits tho) as compared to say the telstra ceo.All the people with brains are the CEOs of banks and corporations earning obscene amounts of money per week.
Politicians just think they have brains!
Or sing a song,make a few albums with political messages and bang your Garret, i mean a politician,Could always make a movie! Thats given a few the credentials to become a politician, I'll be back.

The Greens give their preferences to Labor because they are comprehensively the lesser of two evils, and because of the two party system, the votes eventually go to the 2 biggest parties.

So the Greens have just cut out the middle-men and used it to gain a better political advantage for themselves (ie more senators) which is good for us.

The lesser of two evils?? Are you for real?

Hang on... how many billions of dollars is Labor spending on faster internet downloads????? 43 I think... 43 Billion dollars, that's an obscene amount of money isn't it? For what it is...

Seriously, we HAVE NO MONEY but we can spend BILLIONS on faster movie downloads... we can borrow BILLIONS to pay for it and get NOTHING BACK from it.... We (the Australian public) didn't even get a say in it and it's only FIXED LINE anyway!!!

But hang on... aren't we a mobile community now?? I'm pretty sure a massive amount of us have mobile phones with internet, not to mention laptops with wireless broadband... this NBN will do NOTHING to make that better...

Straight from NBNCO's website home page NBNCO
First point even states:

The NBN will connect 90% of all Australian premises with fibre-based services with 10% connected with next generation wireless and satellite technologies, subject to final design.

10% wireless.... hmmmm.....

Yeah.... THAT'S money well spent when we don't have enough hospitals and our schools are full of asbestos so we'll build them new sheds because that's not what they need...

Are you frigging kidding me?

The fact that the Greens are supporting this rubbish is just one reason to NOT vote for them! And you can say oh no, they don't support that, they'd put a stop to that blah blah the fact is.. the Green preferences are going to Labor so yes, they do in fact support this rubbish!

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The high speed fibre optics will set us up for the next 30-50 years - you lack imagination if you think its all about downloading movies.

I'd rather pay a big sum now and get something that lasts, than miss out on the revolution of technology that potentially follows.

ETA - not to mention, high speed wires will require thousands of more towers to be built, and they'll have to have fibre run to them anyway.

Peak speed of 12mb/s download with bugger all upload VERSUS 1000mb/s up and down...

Its not hard.

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Dude for the average Aussie... what do you THINK they'll be doing with broadband????

WE HAVE NO MONEY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you understand that?? Seriously... are you one of these people that spend up big on your credit card and pay back the minimum monthly payment because it's easier that way??? Then after 10 years your STILL paying back the original $2,000 you borrowed but have actually paid about $10,000 in interest???? You're not?? Well this government seems to be!!

Wake up Ghost... we're in a hell of a lot of trouble if the NBN is considered a 'good idea'.

Surely you can admit there are WAYYYY more important things in this country to spend $43 BILLION DOLLARS on.... if you can't then there is no hope at all for you my friend, none.

Talking about debt (of our country)

The only point of having a surplus is to that we are able to run up a manageable debt whenever a recession hits. The government debt used to stimulate the economy keeps people in jobs, helps the economy bottom-out in a way that's higher and softer, rather than crashing through the floor, and allows for quicker recovery. The problem with trying to recover this debt too quickly , partly through increased taxes, but mainly through cutting services (ergo) jobs, is that you pull money out of the economy, stop people spending and make the recession worse. If anything we are probably going into financial austerity too early. Watch Europe and the US. They've been running budget deficits consistently for years, and its gotten to the point where, now, when they really do need to dip into deficit, the debt risks becoming unmanageable.

The difficulty with all of this is that people tend to think of sovereign debt in the same way they think of personal debt. But the role of government is not to manage the budget, but also to manage the economy. If you focus too much on the budget bottom line the bigger picture goes out the window. Government's are in a much better place to manage debt, since the long term bond rate is lower (because sovereign risk is lower) than private/commercial interest rates.

Long story short, government debt, handled correctly, is nothing to be scared of, and certainly not at our 6% of GDP. Much of the time its better than the alternative. When the liberal party carp on about the need to slash public debt quickly, just ask yourself, who benefits and who loses?


For a sovereign debt 101 crash course

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Gillard, Rudd, Abott, Obama, Blair, Brown etc. etc.

They're all puppets

They're all owned by and working for the same cabal

They don't make decisions -- they obey instructions

I wouldn't give the Greens the time of day

This time I'm drawing my own box on the ballot paper. Inside I'm writing Dick Smith. And I'm ticking that

There is NO one, no one of them that I'd trust to give me the correct change

I spit on the lot of them

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You know Dick Smith payed the court fees for a law suit bob brown won to protect the forests...

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Thanks for the lesson.. but it's not the spending of money I disagree with...I'm all for keeping the economy stimulated.

It's what they're spending the money on that I have a problem with.....

Just don't vote Greens people, they are anti-human and plan to make the whole country a reserve. They believe in population reduction and basically put the ground and whats growing on in it above Humans.

Greens = Genocide

i suggest you go and view a video on you tube called julia gillard treason link below view all 4 parts of it
www.youtube.com...

There is also this as well if you prefer to read it alot of info here

www.larryhannigan.com...

For all that are like, yeah I'm going to vote the greens in , they are the same as labor. There is no difference between the two , the greens are there for people who don't agree with Labor's policies they stand for the same thing watch the link and you will see.

There is a HUGE difference between Labour and the Greens, you obviously haven't dug deep enough to find it.

I personally am not voting at all. Proudly, too.

Labour's being turned into a far-right party (thanks to people like Mark Arbib and Conroy) and Liberals are anti-union and will happily take away all your rights as a worker to benefit your employer, and I'm not going to vote for Greens or any of the smaller parties because they aren't going to be elected and, thanks to preference votes, I would indirectly be voting for one of the top 2 parties that I wanted to vote against in the first place.


The whole system is a joke.

It's hard to believe Labour was founded on (and makes out like they still believe in) socialist ideals, isn't it?

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Originally posted by damn_ummmm

Seriously, we HAVE NO MONEY but we can spend BILLIONS on faster movie downloads... we can borrow BILLIONS to pay for it and get NOTHING BACK from it.... We (the Australian public) didn't even get a say in it and it's only FIXED LINE anyway!!!

Uh, what? I thought they were spending billions to create a faster broadband network. Just because all YOU do on the internet is watch movies doesn't mean it's what EVERYBODY does. Are you being paid to say this crap or do you actually think like this?

Do you realise how much we could acheive as a country if we had super-speed internet? The possibilities are endless.

For example, things would be made SO much easier for disabled people, like attending uni classes from home via HD streaming footage.

Of course that's just one example, the first one that came to me.
No doubt if you gave me a week I could come up with 10000 things that could be acheived by faster internet that would benefit both disabled and non-disabled Australians.

Not to mention we would finally be up to par with the rest of the Western world in terms of speeds.

There's a lot more to it than "faster movie downloads" like you'd want everybody to believe.

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you might like to know if you do that you are in affect voting Labor your better off just getting your name marked off and walk out no blank paper

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You do realise that there is copper line from the street to the house right? So your you beut speed isn't going to be there anyway only if you own a new house and actually pay for optic to your house.

Originally posted by vkturbo
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You do realise that there is copper line from the street to the house right? So your you beut speed isn't going to be there anyway only if you own a new house and actually pay for optic to your house.

I don't exactly agree with the NBN, I think the idea needs a lot more work.
I was really just defending high-speed internet as the "to download movies faster" line pissed me off.

Originally posted by vkturbo
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you might like to know if you do that you are in affect voting Labor your better off just getting your name marked off and walk out no blank paper

Amen, holden brother.

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I cant take her seriously... Whenever she speaks i keep expecting her to say "look at mooyy kimmy" ... Kath and Kim have ruined it for her..

Originally posted by Yissachar1
I cant take her seriously... Whenever she speaks i keep expecting her to say "look at mooyy kimmy"

... Kath and Kim have ruined it for her..

Hah, that's nothing compared to her damn hand waving when she talks.
I can not stand one thing about her.