Theories on Constructing Pyramids with Simple Mechanics

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

Hi Blackmarketeer,

Here's my two cents.

I do not often speculate as to HOW the pyramids of ancient Egypt were built, preferring to concentrate on discovering the truth of WHY they were built. But over the years I have had a suspicion that the AEs may have discovered the use of hot air balloons.

Fanciful? Perhaps – but before we dismiss it out of hand, let us consider some possible evidence to support this possibility.

First of all the Montgolfier balloon was made of linen and paper – two materials that were available to the ancient Egyptians, as were ropes and sails.

The average weight of a limestone block in the Great Pyramid is often quoted as being around 2.5 tons. A hot air balloon (at sea level) with a diameter of around 125 feet can lift 6.39 tons, less the weight of the materials. A linen balloon of 125 foot diameter would weigh somewhere between 750 and 1,000 lbs. Lifting at night or in the winter months when it is much cooler would ensure better lift than during the day when the ambient temperature was only slightly less than the air in the balloon.

Thus we can see that the AEs certainly had the materials to build hot air balloons and we can calculate that such a balloon of around 125 foot diameter could feasibly lift two average GP blocks, or at least render them weightless.

But did the AEs in fcat discover such a lifting technique? There are some tantalising clues hinting that they just might have done so.



Is this really a mirror being depicted in AE art? Why then does a 'mirror' have wings? Why does a 'mirror' carry two people in a barque? Is it plausible that we are actually being presented with something else here other than a 'mirror'?

And then there is this (in)famous image from the Temple of Hathor at Dendera:



The goddess sitting on the stone block to the far right of the image (upper left) is the AE Goddess, Amaunet - the Goddess of Air. This goddess is also depicted as a snake (or serpent) which we also see in the centre of the various 'balloons'(?).

Notice how the balloon shape in the upper left image lies on its side and is similar to a hot air balloon being laid out and filled with hot air. Notice also how the other images from Dendera depict the balloon shapes in a vertical alignment (again with the snakes of the air goddess Amaunet depicted within the balloon shape) as though the balloons are now flying.

Are we perhaps witnessing in these images a linen balloon being filled with hot air for the lifting of heavy stone blocks? Or does the conventional explanation (theory) of this image that it is Horus being born inside a lotus bulb make more sense?

Have fun!

Regards,

Scott Creighton

reply to post by Scott Creighton


You have some interesting thoughts there and, as far as I know, new as well.

I will have to look into this more, it is a very unusual theory.

I think Gordon Michael Scallion, the psychic also saw hot air balloons in his visions about Ancient Egypt, recorded in a chapter of his book "Notes From the Cosmos". Nice work Scott.

www.amazon.com...

What I do not understand is why they used these unpractical huge stones to built the pyramids....What would be against using smaller blocks other than maybe taking more time to built it?


On second thought: Unpractical....that is from our point of view ofcourse....it seems that for the builders it was no problem at all to use these 'unpractical' big building blocks.

reply to post by Scott Creighton

Its a very nice idea, the question would be why on earth they would come up with it? The Egyptians had the skills to move stones without balloons and they had the manpower too. Using balloons is merely a question of effeciency that I do not think ever would occur to the ancient Egyptians - they just didnt need it.

Originally posted by zatara
What I do not understand is why they used these unpractical huge stones to built the pyramids....What would be against using smaller blocks other than maybe taking more time to built it?

Funny thing, the Egyptians thought that too. Thats why a majority of the Great Pyramid stones are not unpractical huge stones and they also get smaller the higher up you go.

I found some good Inventory Stele info.

www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk...

At last a decent, simple thread about pyramid building.
Good basic ideas, that although they may not have been used, show really how the more exotic explanations are not really required.

S&f

The riddle of the transportation of the big blocks around the gallery in Giza
has - in my opinion - been solved. The solution is simple and fits with the
traces of abrasion and indents in the gallery. I have seen a computerized
video on German TV by a team of ten in France studying the riddle as
proposed by a scientist, whose name I have forgotten. They were using
a long ramp with a counterweight and the blocks both on rails.
Too late tonight to find that video.

Many of the depictions of the mechanical devices are plain stupid and
defy our present standard of knowledge aboute leverage.

What would you gain by using a seesaw to hoist stones to a higher
level ? It would take a weight that of the stone to just keep it in balance.
Leverage by Archimedes would mean using less force over a longer way.

The transportation was less a feat than the cutting and honing of the blocks.

The assumed pulling of the blocks on sledges is a stupid approach, too,
as it takes more force than pulling the stones on their whole surface.
I made those tests myself. So it must have definitely been another mode
of transportation.

2 good links.

www.hallofthegods.org...

www.atlantisrising.com...

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The DDC or Dig Down Concept is the only way that a structure ilke the Great Pyramid could be built in a tangable world.
This is why ,,. Becouse you can not build both the inner chambers and the outer foundation blocks using the metods
that lift the blocks into place..This is how it was done in a nutshell,,

The elevation of the Giza Plateau was about 250ft higher before the start of the pyramid construction complex.
It is no mistake that the foundation to the top of the releiving chambers is very close to 250ft.

They excavated a large down ramp and hole with a core in the middle . When this is done they could now always be above the levels that they are working on by simply filling in the bottom portion of the down ramp ,it grows with the height of the pyramid ., but more importantly it alows them to use sand to lower the Grand Gallery wall blocks into postion at the 26 degree angle by undermining the sand under the block.As to not ramble on to much look at it like this...

while the outer portion of the pyramid is being built a large area is left empty.. much like a big fish thank that has a ramp in the middle .becouse the sand is contained it can support any weight of block you wish floating the block into place with a few guide ropes

This of course is a very small explanaion of this method ., but by using a down ramp a hole and sand makes this the method that should be excepted by the experts..becouse they never lifted a single block..

I challange anyone to come up with a more logical solution

Alan B Christ

a reply to: AlanBChrist

I challange anyone to come up with a more logical solution

We currently have all the best modern architecture tools provided why hasn't anyone yet built a replica of Great Pyramid without Casinos?

a reply to: vNex92
I don't know and don't care

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

None of these methods would allow yuo to build the inner chambers .
If you can't build the chambers and grand gallery , then the method is wrong
You can solve all the block lifting problems for the first nhalf of the pyramid by
excavating a very very large hole about 250ft down then connect that hole to a large down ramp and build the chambers and the grand gallery using sand as a hydruic jack and or a false floor when needed

Sand is concreate that can flow like water

By pushing the block down the ramp they would not have to lift a single block

a reply to: vNex92

If you whant a understanding of how the Grand Gallery was built . There are a nice set of
illistrations just do this
go to google and type in this as a search Dig Down Concept/Alan B Christ FileDCpage0.jpg
thats DDC
and the File has a semicolon after it

a reply to: AlanBChrist

a reply to: AlanBChrist

originally posted by: AlanBChrist
a reply to: vNex92

If you whant a understanding of how the Grand Gallery was built . There are a nice set of
illistrations just do this
go to google and type in this as a search Dig Down Concept/Alan B Christ File

DCpage0.jpg
thats DDC
and the File has a semicolon after it

Doesn't work why not a link or post the images here?

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: AlanBChrist

I challange anyone to come up with a more logical solution

We currently have all the best modern architecture tools provided why hasn't anyone yet built a replica of Great Pyramid without Casinos?

Are you asserting that the Giza pyramids didn't have casinos?

Harte

originally posted by: Scott Creighton
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

 

Hi Blackmarketeer,

Here's my two cents.

I do not often speculate as to HOW the pyramids of ancient Egypt were built, preferring to concentrate on discovering the truth of WHY they were built. But over the years I have had a suspicion that the AEs may have discovered the use of hot air balloons.

Fanciful? Perhaps – but before we dismiss it out of hand, let us consider some possible evidence to support this possibility.

First of all the Montgolfier balloon was made of linen and paper – two materials that were available to the ancient Egyptians, as were ropes and sails.

The average weight of a limestone block in the Great Pyramid is often quoted as being around 2.5 tons. A hot air balloon (at sea level) with a diameter of around 125 feet can lift 6.39 tons, less the weight of the materials. A linen balloon of 125 foot diameter would weigh somewhere between 750 and 1,000 lbs. Lifting at night or in the winter months when it is much cooler would ensure better lift than during the day when the ambient temperature was only slightly less than the air in the balloon.

Thus we can see that the AEs certainly had the materials to build hot air balloons and we can calculate that such a balloon of around 125 foot diameter could feasibly lift two average GP blocks, or at least render them weightless.

But did the AEs in fcat discover such a lifting technique? There are some tantalising clues hinting that they just might have done so.



Is this really a mirror being depicted in AE art? Why then does a 'mirror' have wings? Why does a 'mirror' carry two people in a barque? Is it plausible that we are actually being presented with something else here other than a 'mirror'?

And then there is this (in)famous image from the Temple of Hathor at Dendera:



The goddess sitting on the stone block to the far right of the image (upper left) is the AE Goddess, Amaunet - the Goddess of Air. This goddess is also depicted as a snake (or serpent) which we also see in the centre of the various 'balloons'(?).

Notice how the balloon shape in the upper left image lies on its side and is similar to a hot air balloon being laid out and filled with hot air. Notice also how the other images from Dendera depict the balloon shapes in a vertical alignment (again with the snakes of the air goddess Amaunet depicted within the balloon shape) as though the balloons are now flying.

Are we perhaps witnessing in these images a linen balloon being filled with hot air for the lifting of heavy stone blocks? Or does the conventional explanation (theory) of this image that it is Horus being born inside a lotus bulb make more sense?

Have fun!

Regards,

Scott Creighton

That's a really interesting idea.

I had never considered the possibility they might have built their hot air balloons to a different shape than we do: long and thin, instead of fat and bulky, the way we do it.

Perhaps the way they weaved it, or stitched it, it was easier to build a long, thin tube?


During the ice age, one problem hunters were constantly running into whenever they would kill a mammoth: how do we get the meat back to camp? Sometimes they would just give up on the idea, and move their camp to the site of the kill.

But if someone were to figure out how to create a lifting balloon, that would make everything just so much easier.

It's interesting that the GP is known for its 5 ton blocks, and 5 tons is about the weight of a mammoth carcass.