A look at a war in Iran and what would likely happen

reply to post by Unit541


If you're not talking about their army, and instead the guys with aks and mortars, then yes that will be a while. But that is not a war. That would be called attrition.

That's not how war is fought because in that case, we would never land foot soldiers. We would bomb them. And without them in th cities, their population would replace the government and we'd never have to enter.

Iran's conventional forced would be destroyed in 3 or less weeks. Yes Iran is not Iraq. But its army is. They have their version of the SS and that's something to worry about. But to be honest, if your view of the war occurred, the people would replace them and we would not need to enter.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Oh yeah for sure they helped the mahdi army, what I am saying however is that they were not the only cause. There was allot more to it there were other players involved. As for you video i don’t really like waching people killing others, no matter who they are killing. I know about blackwater, i read the book and read the papers.

reply to post by kevinunknown


Oh I hear ya.

What I'm saying is that Many here still do not realize just how much Iran was involved in the insurgency. Some will deny that they were involved at all. No, I agree that wasn't the only cause for the length of the combat phase but it was a major contributor and did contribute to the lengthening needlessly.

PEACE

Slay

What will happen if the US starts war with Iran?

What usually happens when the US military is allowed to rampage through any country its at war with for its own self-interest?

what usually happens when a soldier trained to kill, is told to aim down his sights at a non-descript enemy of asian ethnicity, in an asian country.

What usually happens when the very same people, out fighting for "our freedom and safety", are given little to no education about the culture of the lands they are invading?

What happens when you show a map to a rich and powerful gold miner saying "gold lies buried in these locations" as your finger, unaware of its genocidal motions, passes over the delicate habitat of a thousand endangered species?

What happens when you give a bottle of champagne to an alcoholic? Does he enjoy his drink? Or does he just feel drunk or neither - give him another?

What happens when you have sick, self-interested men ruling the world?

They rape each other for all the material resources, forgetting about the rich resource of culture and companionship.

[edit on 6-7-2010 by DizzyDayDream]

[edit on 6-7-2010 by DizzyDayDream]

Originally posted by Unit541
Iran has had 10 years of in-house training on US weapons and tactics, and how to defeat them. Not to mention, Iran's leadership has more than a few points on the Iraqis in the IQ department.

Iran couldnt defeat Iraq....they will have zero chance of stoping the US in full battle mode.

Iran had no way of defeating us ground forces....zero...none....not going to happen....

What may be Irans largest weapon is that over 80% of the country is shia.

reply to post by Logarock


To be fair, Iraq couldn't defeat Iran.

To be fairer, Iraq lost.

reply to post by Gorman91


Yea right.

There was help with cleaning the uranium from the Iran and Iraq war in the 1980's?

Article 33 of the Geneva Convention is the prohibit of pillage.

All military invasions with armed forces into a foreign country are war crimes in the Geneva Convention articles of 1949.

The Iraq and Afghanistan war of 2010 is a military invasion with armed forces into a foreign country.

Therefore, Iraq and Afghanistan war of 2010 is a war crime from the Geneva Convention articles of 1949.


Ouch! For the thoughts of war.

[edit on 7-7-2010 by Erad3]

[edit on 7-7-2010 by Erad3]

Nature of survival
When a dog is chased and forced against the wall it will fight back against all odds. When soldiers are left with no retreat and forward is death they will fight with ferocity. In Vietnam, Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan left with inferior weapons to face their mighty invaders they fight with their lives' These are the examples of survival nature.
Fear make us paranoid. Fearful of disease from a mosquito bite we gas as many as we can. Blind with fear we kill innocent people; bomb their country; destroy their defense and fear that they will resurrect in the future to take revenge for what was done to them US invade their country. Kill. capture, imprison and torture those who dare to oppose, the term "either you are with us or you are against us" reflect on the paranoid mentality of the invaders. Enemies are seen everywhere including imaginative ones. After much destruction the invaders try to install a 'friendly' government
The question is did US forced N. Korea and Iran into desperate measures? Faced with the choice to yield or face endless sanctions can a nation be forced to kneel losing all pride and self respect?
We have to change our mentality of feeling insecure and seeing enemies everywhere. Which country in the World would dare attack US knowing very well their country will face extinction? Remove those fear by cultivation compassion, do it to counter the seeds of hatred already sown from within and others.

Consequences of attack to Iran:
1. War against Iran will start JAHAD AKBAR against enemies.
2. Iran would blockade the Straits of Hormuz
3. War quickly gets out of hand. U.S. plans to destroy Iran's anti-aircraft and military infrastructure could easily escalate to destroying Iran's oil-loading and shipment facilities. Iran will retaliate against the UAE,Kuwaiti, Saudi, and Gulf states oil facilities. So oil will jump to troposphere price.
4. The attack would make America even more suspect and hated in the whole Islamic world.
5. American citizens and businesses in many nations would be under threat of attack by militant Iranians and other Muslims.
7. Nobody knows the effectiveness of the Russian and Chinese weapons that have been sold to Iran. There is a risk that they might be very effective.
8. The disasters for America could also weaken and challenge the power of the Israel Lobby, especially AIPAC.
9.Finally, Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan so war against Iran will generaly destabilize Asia, Europe ASAP.

beside Iranian already purchased few operational nuclear head in fall 1990’s. So they don’t need to waste their time for producing Uranium to make bomb.

Originally posted by Prof. Twister

4. The attack would make America even more suspect and hated in the whole Islamic world.

You make some points I suppose but this is not one of them. Most of the Islamic world sees Irans version of Islam as a problem. They are violent toward and intolerant of other sects. They are a nation without peer, operated by hard core religious nut jobs.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by gem_man

 

Yea that's not much. 1950 Soviet Russia got a rocket into space. It's not hard to do. It does not mean you have ballistic capabilities. It means you know calculus.

Missile launchers aren't worth much, considering you can track the tail smoke and pop a rock on it.

Iran's military is made up of antiquated equipment from the 80s. They've only now started developing T90-like tanks and a few interesting concepts, however nothing in mass production.

Iraq had the same stuff. And we beat them without advanced technology on foot. Now we do have advanced technology everywhere. Iran could not make it more than a week or three. There's simply nothing to stop a team of fighters from nailing down everything.

The entire army of Iraq was destroyed in a few days from bombers and fighter planes. What makes Iran any different? They have a few UAVs, but even they are not that advanced.

Point is simple. There's a good reason why Egypt, Iraq, and army others chose to side with America. They get to use out toys.

Also, Hezbollah is nearly destroyed and Syria has a UN force present in the country.

These are not armies to fight. The US China and Russia are all at least 20 years ahead of Iran. the US is a full half century ahead.

One slight issue your missing in your point, Iraq's army didnt want to fight. Irans army will. And for your information, we are not finished in iraq. hence we are still fighting there. Dont underestimate the ideas of a group of people armed with outdated weaponry and a human mind. Nations have been lost underestimating the power of a so called weak enemy.

Okay. I thought about it. I know that at least this much will happen. Israel will strike Iran's nuke sites (probably flying over a later-to-be very offended Saudi Arabia, and thereby destroying forever the evidence that Iran was or was not developing nuclear weapons. But what will history show?

You say, Iran is not a big player in the world right now. For you to say that Iran is a no-body just shows how ignorant you are. You mention the p5+1, which includes China, who rejected recent UN sanctions drawn up to hit Iran.

Another thing I want to point out, as China is now becoming the world super power [or they will be soon enough], we keep messing with kim jung wung and we'll be starring down 2.3 million Chinese soldiers along the 38th


"Iran sees them all as one in the same. "

That's why to this day Iran continues trades with China and Russia. Perhaps not in arms or with military equipment [which I think is banned after the recent sanctions..[armed trade with Iran]], but in agriculture, and building materials, supplies.

Iran supplies China with Energy, China supplies Iran with industry.

The question for the United States is: What will Iran do in the wake of an Israeli attack that Iran will almost certainly assume has U.S. support?


Speculation about Iran's retaliatory options has thus far focused on Iran closing the Straits of Hormuz, shutting the oil spigot and driving the price of oil far above current levels. Some also believe that Iran would increase its support of terrorist actions directly against the United States and Israel -- effectively declaring war on the West.

Yet Tehran's counter-punch would not have to be so bold to be effective and deadly.

A less discussed, but equally dangerous, option for Iran is to dramatically step up its support of insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. This response is far more likely and, consequently, more worrisome.

Col. David E. Johnson, Ph.D. (U.S. Army ret.) is a senior researcher at the RAND Corporation. He is the author of Fast Tanks and Heavy Bombers: Innovation in the U.S. Army, 1917-1945 and Learning Large Lessons: The Evolving Roles of Ground Power and Air Power in the Post-Cold War Era.

full article

reply to post by oubliette


That's not war, its attrition. And to say simply, Iraq's been pretty quite recently.

icasualties.org...

The Iraq war is more or less over.

People just dont understand. They keep referring to the occupying forces in Iraq and drawing some paralell. This would NOT be the case here. Yes the "insurgency war" in Iraq has lasted for years but make no mistake about it, Iraq's military machine was toast in just a few weeks.

So would Iran's. Nobody is talking about invading Iran-they are talking about desptroying its militiary machine which could be done from air and sea in a matter of WEEKS at the MOST.

reply to post by Gorman91

China gets its oil from US wars, so it can continue to grow and develop. This is probably unofficial debt payment for the US. The US does not want to go to war with China because that would be difficult and probably long and for nothing. China is no longer communist unofficially, so the US and China just want to do business and chilax. Russia is not interested in war as they have their own problems. They are more interested in economic deals with Europe, maybe Africa down the road.

I agree with you ,here. there are Eastern considerations when it comes to the fate of Iran.

Threre are probably 'back channel' deals going on that will make Frontline in a few years.

But China's thirst for energy must be quenched, or there will be trouble for sure.

But any bombing will probably be by IAF, with an assist by the US (refuling, drones, intel, etc).

The response will be interesting to see. Maybe a simultaneous attack by Irans allies? (NK, Syria, Venezuela?)

But if the Chinese are aboard, they will just have 'harsh' diplomatic words for US.

Interesting times, for sure.

reply to post by ErEhWoN


indeed.

Feed the dragon and it all goes well.

Any biblical connection? who knows.

God help us if we run out of food.

Only Biblical connection in regards to "China" that i know of is in the Book of Revelations where it states (regarding Armagheddon) is that the "King of the East (China) will send 200,000,000 (2 hundred million men) against Israel.

Well it wasnt but a few years ago that China's Premiere boasted that China could field a 'People's Army" of 200 million men.....

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by ErEhWoN

 

indeed.

Feed the dragon and it all goes well.

Any biblical connection? who knows.

God help us if we run out of food.

reply to post by SLAYER69

Iranian snipers are armed with Steyr HS .50 cal rifles. They purchased 800 of these rifles from Steyr of Austria. The U.S. tried to stop Steyr from selling them to Iran, but Steyr ignored the request and went ahead with the sale.