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Originally posted by Kandinsky
His original expose on John Lear and Bill Cooper was posted on the BBS in 1991...see what you think.
Every single person linked to UFOlogy has their naysayers. EVERY ONE of them! No one has everyone on board with them.
Originally posted by Kandinsky
His original expose on John Lear and Bill Cooper was posted on the BBS in 1991...see what you think.
What is all of this, and why is it here? Well, one of Coopers big drawing cards at his $25.00 and $35.00 per head lectures has been the Kennedy Murder. Cooper has been showing a VERY POOR COPY of the famous Zapruder film that "looks as if" the driver of Kennedy's car turns around and shoots him with a pistol. The film was originally worked on by a Kennedy researcher by the name of Lars Hansson. . . .
Hansson also has been a very active researcher . . .
. . . and has just finished an explosive expose entitled "UFOs, ALIENS, and `Ex'-intelligence Agents: Who's Fooling Whom?" . . .
This is a 300 page AFFIDAVIT by Lars Hansson, and is available for $25.00 plus 3.00 postage and handling. If you are interested you can send for it at . . .
Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by Mary Rose
No. It's not about Don Ecker recommending Hanson. The footage was shot by Zapruder.
The film was originally worked on by a Kennedy researcher by the name of Lars Hansson. . . .
Originally posted by slugger9787
He was on the razor edge of speaking out against the out of control government years before anyone else was even out of the closet.
Originally posted by dalethorn
- stay alert and recognize that Truth and Authority don't come from humans.
Originally posted by dalethorn
- stay alert and recognize that Truth and Authority don't come from humans.
Originally posted by Exuberant1
What are You on about?
Your post made no sense. Just look at the part I quoted.
And what's with all the 'humans' talk? Don't you mean to use the word 'people'? Or is this some new thing the kids are doing?
Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...don had nothing to do with bill's destruction... bill cooper destroyed himself...
In my job as Director of Research for UFO Magazine, I get to meet
sometimes strange but also very interesting people. Also as
Director, I oft times get documents, books, and papers for the mag
that I can peruse before most of the public. Also, having been
involved with ParaNet since the end of 1987 the beginning of 1988,
I have seen a lot happen in the field and with ParaNet both good
and bad. Late in 1987 Jim Speiser, the founder of ParaNet was at
the helm as Director. I was Co-Sysop with the old ParaNet RHO, now
no longer in service. In late December 1987, Jim Speiser received
the now famous, or perhaps more to the point, infamous *LEAR.DOC*
that set parts of the UFO field on fire. For any of you that were
not around then, for months and finally years, and now even, people
have read Lears paper, and the turmoil continued.
Months later, after Lear "surfaced", another character
hit the field. This guys name is now also famous, or more to the
point, infamous ** Milton William Cooper. Cooper, now known for his
attacks on most researchers, accusing them of being govt. agents,
etc. was much more restrained in those days. After Lear had his
paper posted, many of the then ParaNet users, had many questions
for "Lear and Co." As time went on, Lear grew tired of people
asking him about sources, etc. and more often than not would fire
back. Cooper then began to ally himself with Lear.
Cooper came on the seen with a report about having sighted a UFO
while a crew member on a U. S. Sub, the TIRU. A short while later,
after covertly sending a file to Speiser to be forwarded to Stanton
Friedman, and then also sending a file to me to send to Friedman,
( without Speiser or me knowing about the other ) Cooper began to
upload all kinds of wondrous files with some outrageous claims and
documents. Of course he also came under some fire here because he
could not prove one damn thing that he claimed either. AND, OF
COURSE ONE HELL OF A LOT MORE HAPPENED. But we will leave that for
another day.
What is all of this, and why is it here? Well, one of Coopers big
drawing cards at his $25.00 and $35.00 per head lectures has been
the Kennedy Murder. Cooper has been showing a VERY POOR COPY of the
famous Zapruder film that "looks as if" the driver of Kennedy's car
turns around and shoots him with a pistol. The film was originally
worked on by a Kennedy researcher by the name of Lars Hansson. For
any of you that read my two parter on Cooper in UFO Magazine, in
part two Hansson discussed this entire sorry episode. But you are
still asking what is this about? Ok.......
More here:
www.skepticfiles.org...
On a recent broadcast of the "Billy Goodman Happening" on KVEG from
Las Vegas, researcher Lars Hansson (see article, p. 17) debated Cooper
on the air and pointed out some of the inconsistencies that Cooper has
espoused. Hansson brought up the fact that at one time Cooper himself
gave Bob Lazar his "stamp of approval." Cooper vehemently denied ever
having endorsed Lazar's authenticity,
UFO has been following the Lazar story since it broke upon the UFO
scene. Cooper's claim that he never gave Lazar his support or claims of
legitimacy is untrue. On November 21, 1989, Bob Lazar was a guest on
the Billy Goodman Happening, and during the audience call-in phase of
the show, Cooper phoned in and said the following over the air: "I'd
like to clear up a couple of misunderstandings here. Number 1, I would
really like to thank Bob Lazar for coming forward. I have been talking
to him for the last year, along with John Lear, we have met in groups
and privately. The man (Lazar) is a wealth of information. I am tickled
pink that he has finally decided to come forward and use his real name,
because it helps all of us. the reason he has gotten into this
predicament is because he is a Patriot. He cares about this country and
that is what made him do this. . ." Goodman then broke in, saying,
"That's beautiful, Bill, an unsolicited testimonial, basically, that's
what it comes down to. "
Then Cooper continued, "First, I'd like to say that I personally, and
also Tony Pelham and also the Channel 8 news staff-George Knapp and
several other people, John Lear-we have all investigated this man's
background thoroughly because we did not want to be sucked into a trap
by the government. And I can tell you that he is who he says he is. He
has worked at Los Alamos. He is a physicist, he is a theoretical
physicist. He has worked at Area S4 in Groom Lake. We have verified all
of this-not just me but several other people, and I have verified it by
two different sources of mine who are in the government. One is at
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories . We are always on the
lookout for somebody trying to trap us and something that we ean be
discredited by. We have to do that [background research] to protect our
own credibility." Cooper has subsequently attacked Lazar with claims
that he knew all along that Lazar was fraudulent. In his CAJI
Newsletter, he now presents a completely different tone than before,
and writes of "Lazar, the so-called physicist who claims to have seen
flying saucers.
More here:
www.skepticfiles.org...
Rants from Oblivion by Billy Cox
November 25th, 2009 11:57am
Rants from oblivion
by Billy Cox
Nothing, no matter how toxic or discredited, ever dies in the eternal limbo of the Internet. But after hearing a recent podcast lionizing Bill Cooper as the noble martyr who sewed “the seed beds for the patriot movement,” Don Ecker figured it was time for a history lesson. “I’m shocked that people don’t know what a maniac this guy was,” Ecker says from his home outside Los Angeles. “The guy was absolutely out of his mind.”
Combustible, paranoid, grandiose and delusional, Cooper’s ravings continue to attract admirers, and you can still find his One World Order conspiracy rant — “Behold a Pale Horse” — on chain-store bookshelves. At the end, when he wasn’t waving guns at neighbors outside his hilltop ranch near rural Eagar, Ariz., Cooper was spewing apocalyptic confabulism from a show called “The Hour of the Time” ( Which by the way I called THE HOUR OF THE SLIME-DE) via the Worldwide Christian Radio network in Nashville.
Cooper was wanted for tax evasion and bank fraud at the time of his attempted arrest on 11/5/01. An exchange of gunfire left him dead and a sheriff’s deputy critically wounded. In another time, another age, that might’ve been all she wrote.
Talk radio first placed Cooper’s riffs before mass audiences in the late Eighties, when the Navy veteran uncorked insider tales of UFOs and military intelligence. But with each passing year, his conspiracy yarns ballooned by orders of magnitude, careening from JFK’s assassination at the hands of his limo driver to world domination by the insidious Illuminati. Ultimately, he began accusing UFO researchers who questioned his veracity of being CIA stooges.
Among the first to challenge him was Don Ecker, then investigative director of UFO Magazine. Ecker, who calls Cooper’s book “Behold a Pail of Horse*!,” (Actually what I said to Billy was Behold a Pail of Horse#) exposed Cooper’s lies in a two-part series way back in 1990. Between the Bill Coopers of the world and a mainstream media that wouldn’t follow a legitimate trail of UFO evidence if was wrapped in thousand-dollar bills and served with Dove bars, Ecker tired of spinning his wheels and left UFOlogy research in 2007.
Gone but not forgotten -- the late Bill Cooper continues to broadcast from cyberspace
Among the things Ecker left behind was a decade’s worth of his own radio shows, called “Dark Matters.” Lately, he’s been uploading these archives on The Paracast network, and they’re worth a listen. His BS meter tingling with the skepticism of the police detective he once was, Ecker tested his lines of logic and research on some of the biggest names in the UFO subculture. The results are instructive and often quite entertaining.
Anyway — after being sufficiently aggravated by the persistent afterlife of the Bill Cooper phenomenon, Ecker assembled a two-hour show restoring some proportion. It’s all here, Cooper in his own words, the bullying, the contradictions, the threatening, drunken voice messages resembling the howl of a wounded lycanthrope.
And it remains, unfortunately, relevant. Because, as the Arizona Republic reported in 2001, at least one avid fan of “The Hour of Time” was so impressed he apparently visited Cooper in early 1995. All it takes is one. His name was Timothy McVeigh.
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