FINALLY: The TRUTH About Chronic Oil Spillage DWARFS Deepwater Horizon

For sake of argument, let's assume it's August and 375 million gallons have spilled onto the gulf. The gulf has 643 quadrillion gallons of water and the worlds oceans have 362 million trillion gallons of water.

I don't understand how a comparison like this can actually be made. This oil is originating from one spot not from over 70% of the earth.

The bottom line here is that Doc V adamantly believes the stuff he is saying, and being incredibly determined to believe this viewpoint (for whatever personal reason) nothing we say will have an effect on that. We are just as determined to believe our own viewpoints, whether they will eventually be proven right or have been proven right or not, and so butting heads will not change anything.

This is why I haven't responded to what I feel are ridiculous comments made here by the OP, and why I won't. Why waste my breath on something that will not change his opinion and will only frustrate me and amuse him in the end?

I have better things to do.

"wow"
I can't beleive that someone can be so cavalier about such a subject involving so many deaths , health risks, and unchecked irresponsibility. reports of oily rain in LA are already imerging, oil isnt the only chemical being pored into our part of the ocean either, other chemicals that are way more harmfull than your precious oil are making there way out into the waters of our economy as well and its those chemicals that will do the most harm. rain comes from somewhere and goes everywhere and along with that rain will come all those other chemicals. swim in that!!! this isn't going to just affect the beaches, fish and birds. the effects of this thing are going to be felt further inland aswell. I'm also hearing alot about this rupture being sealed off in november or somethin like that? Let me ask you this. What makes you think that the same people that caused the problem and failed so many times to fix it is going to get it right this time or even at all? they have obviousley proven that they have no idea what there going to do that is going to be efficient and effective.I learned along time ago that you can't depend on a wild card to produce good results and be reliable. whats going to happen when BP and our gov. FAIL. One last thing i've just got to say, if i had a company that delt in hazardous material and i screwed up this bad im more than sure i would be in cort right now fighting for my life. what makes these guys any differant than me and why? why hasn't our government done any thing about this? why did i have to come to such lengths to find out about this, i live on the coast and there is alot not being said about all this, why? and for eveyone else out there why do we want to keep leaders that are willing to continue to let things like this to happen? how far are we going to let them take things befor something is done about it? I need you to stand up for my rights just as bad as you need me to stand up for yours. be a hero and help save our future from the bad guys. We pleaded for change , they took our money and gave us oil and crime. we asked for promises and they gave us lies. it's time WE changed things.

-Don De La Cuevas

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So what are really trying to say?
That it's OK, no real problem?

You sound like you're comparing this to, say, 100 People dieing of food poisoning in one Restaurant is OK because 1000s of People die around the World of the same thing all the time.

Big or Small, it Sucks...... even for the poor Crab!

This event is concentrated in one area, which would naturally have a bigger impact.

So I'm at a loss as to what is behind this type of thinking...... or is this really just about you being proven right about your previous spill claims by the Washington Post?

While i understand what your saying about the oil not being an extinction level event, the point is that your right. An oil spill/rupture is not an extinction level event.

However the methane, which is being released in huge quantities as well, is
cause to worry about extinction.

there is algae-which turns light energy and water into oxygen-this is where a large percentage of earth's oxygen comes from.

there are also oil-eating microbes which break down oil into safer byproducts.

Methane depletes oxygen levels, something that both of these require to survive. Corexit is a toxic chemical which would most likely kill both of these.
Crude Oil and related chemicals/gases are capable of killing the algae.

So, however you look at it- oil=less oxygen, corexit=less oxygen, methane=less oxygen. Which overall means the longer this continues unchecked the more quickly the overall oxygen-producing capacity of the earth and her creatures is being depleted.

No methane is actually lighter than the air causing it to diffuse slowly upwards, but like you said it would rise more forcibly with heat, or the ocean could just get saturated and then release it in a large "explosion" but it doesnt matter how it makes its way into the atmosphere the point is it will, eventually. And once it makes it there, it has 21 times the heat trapping potential of co2.

A chain reaction of warming could easily be caused by this release of methane: methane released in significant quantities from rupture enters atmospere, then traps significant amounts of heat, causing a significant rise in temperature, causing the sublimation of millions of tons of methane-hydrates that are currently sitting on the sea floor.

There has always been large methane-hydrate fields on the seafloor, something disrupted them in the past- and the result was the Permian-Triassic extinction event which killed off 95% of all life on earth. It took millions of years for earth's biodiversity levels to return to pre-extinction level.
The following is an excerpt from an essay i wrote for Eng102(only 3 years ago lol)

“Ninety-six percent of all marine species and seventy percent of terrestrial vertebrae species [became extinct.]” Approximately 251 million years ago, life on Earth came frighteningly close to extinction, during the event known as the Permian-Triassic extinction event, informally referred to as the Great Dying. Hardest hit were the marine species, in which only four percent of existing aquatic life survived. Almost six-million years passed before regular levels of biodiversity returned. While the exact cause remains in dispute, one widely accepted theory references “[t]he flood basalt eruption which produced the Siberian Traps [and] was the largest known volcanic event on Earth and covered over 200,000 square kilometers (77,000 square miles) with lava.” These eruptions occurred in a coal rich area, the heating of which caused extremely large quantities of carbon dioxide and methane to be released into the air, leading to extreme global warming of up to 5°-7°C. In turn, this warming was enough to “sublimate solid methane hydrate[s]” that were present in millions of tonnes on the ocean floor(“Permian-Triassic extinction event”). Today, the warming predicted by the Arctic Council would be sufficient to sublimate the nearly 400 gigatons of methane locked in clathrates (forms of methane and other gases locked in ice formed by great pressure) in the arctic tundra. This could easily lead to a similar chain of events in the near future(Atcheson).

Atcheson , John. "Ticking Time Bomb." Baltimore Sun 15 Dec 2004 27 Feb 2007 .

"Permian-Triassic extinction event." Wikipedia. 24 Feb 2007. 27 Feb 2007 .

The aliens living in their submarines below the surface clean it up for us

I think people will eventually become accustomed with blow-outs the same as stopping at a fast food restaurant for a burger. I was never a big fan of salt water fish anyway, and gulf shrimp is over-rated, and since the SUV's keep rolling out day after day this is going to keep happening.

The silver lining= BP is developing the technology on the fly so the next time a blow-out happens we'll have all the equipment.

and if the relief well doesn't work they'll just try something else

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Yet you never mention the methane.... Half of what is coming out is methane....


Welcome to the gulf dead zone

Its leaking up to 2,500,000 or more gallons a day, your numbers are from the government and are on the low end. Keeping in mind it is not going to end any time soon, chronic spillage does not "dwarf" the deep water horizon.

It is clear that the government sees this as an excuse for the whole system continuing to deteriorate, and will be trying to gain as much new authority from this as possible. Never let a good disaster go to waste.

There is however a bright side to this. Maybe it finally is time for humanity to collectively awaken from the drugged-out zombie state and say that enough is enough.

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Originally posted by Doc Velocity


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Each trail you see is a crude oil slick emanating from an offshore oil rig. Some of these individual slicks are up to 70 miles long EACH. The photo demonstrates that the Gulf is full of crude oil slicks all the time — this oil pollution simply IS NOT REPORTED and so GOES UNNOTICED by the public, because crude degrades naturally in seawater over time.

Thank you Doc for proving exactly why all oil rigs should be shut down in the Gulf for good.

I just heard a guy on Fox news getting interviewed ( an oil rep) saying how this ban on oil needs to not be challenged by Obama and they all need to get back to work because in over 40 years they have never had an oil spill. This guy just lied through his teeth.

Look I know we cant do it all at once but this ban is good for safety checks. Then let them get back to work then slowly issue less and less drilling permits while getting us to use alternative forms of energy.

Now I don't think this leak will destroy the world.. But I do see it destroying the whole Gulf where they wont be able to get is back like it used to be within our lifetime.

Doc, I take it you're very confident that this leak will be stopped completely?

What if it can't be stopped? Can the oceans digest a continuous gusher like this? Would sea life adapt and flourish?

I'm pretty sure the ocean would bounce back if we stopped the leak.

But if we can't stop the leak, then I think the environment will go into a downward spiral - IMO.

Do you think this video is a hoax? Raining Oil in LA

Originally posted by Ceriddwen
It isn't coupled with massive amounts of methane the way it is now.

It could be. Drilling for oil itself could be responsible for global warming by releasing massive amounts of methane into the atmosphere, which is 20 times more damaging than CO2. Who knows how many pockets of methane they may have drilled into around the world, they could account for the vast majority of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.

I think it's time we shut down the industrial age and go back to living a modest minimal lifestyle before things get any worse and then pray that things get better. And for that 20% of the worlds population that uses 80% of the worlds natural resources and are unwilling to give up their iToy and cappuccino makers and large screen home entertainment centers and their zoom zoom shiny cars and lazy ass riding lawn mowers and whatnot that nobody actually needs ... well, BONK BONK to you before you can bonk the entire lot of us into extinction because of your selfish self-serving self-gratifying greed. Starting Monday, I don't want to see a single vehicle on the road any more! I hereby outlaw all consumption of oil. You stay home and start planting veggies in your backyards .. else I'll track ya down and slash the tires and key your paint job on your cars and smash your iToys so they are no more. Okay? Okay!

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"Virtually unnoticed?"

This choice of words is irresponsible by the writer.

It's probably more irresponsible for a reader to take the words literally, assume they are true, and attempt to compare two entire disparate things. Well the writer did that too, I suppose. Anyway.

According to the 2003 National Research Council (NRC) report, Oil in the Sea III: Inputs, Fates, and Effects, 70 percent of anthropogenic source oil that reaches ocean waters is the result of consumer use; in North America it is closer to 85 percent. Much of this oil enters the ocean from runoff related to oil use inland, especially from the transportation sector - a classic example of a non-point source polluter. Source

As people have already mentioned, first of all this is hardly the same kind of oil. Which is better or worse is a moot point, All of it's bad. It doesn't belong in the ocean.

And it's not "virtually unnoticed" by sea life or people living in areas where it is more prevalent or fishermen.

People are aware that this is happening. Maybe not enough people, but they are. The government itself, as indicated in their own report above is aware.

Environmental groups and activists are aware of it.

So are some of us "common" people.

Efforts are going on to protect the world's oceans. Often the people working toward this goal get ridiculed, lambasted, and even called terrorists.

Legislation about it gets buried or voted down. The EPA backs down, Regulations fall by the wayside. The usual story...corporate lobbyists yadda yadda yadda.

It is a logical fallacy to try to make an argument like this...that X amount of oil leaks into the ocean anyway, this gushing is not a big deal. They're both big deals.

Just something to think about. And maybe support the cleaning up of in the future.



[edit on 26-6-2010 by ~Lucidity]

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Thank you Doc for proving exactly why all oil rigs should be shut down in the Gulf for good.

No, thank YOU for being one of the only people out there who understand what I'm saying. These fear-mongers who are so certain that Deepwater Horizon is an environmental apocalypse probably only became ecologically conscious fairly recently. Or else they were born yesterday and they think the rest of us were, too.

The POINT, you dolts, is that we are already poisoning the Gulf and the world's oceans, and we've been doing so for decades, but these jersey-wearing enviro-tards come at me like I'm belittling the greatest environmental disaster ever.

Which this AINT.

I think that Deepwater Horizon caliber events have already happened, perhaps several times in the past, but just haven't been reported because it wasn't convenient to whatever administration was in charge.

In THIS case, we have an Enviro-Tard Administration that HAS BEEN PRAYING for an ecological disaster on par with the FAILED Manmade Global Warming Hoax — and THEY FOUND IT in the Deepwater Horizon, which isn't going to destroy the biosphere or anything else, but it gives these enviro-tards enough political capital to bury the wookie stick so far up your happy holes that you'll be BEGGING to pay more taxes, you'll be BEGGING to give up your liberty, ANYTHING to make the terrible FEAR go away. We're afraid, Daddy, we'll do anything you want, just no more wookie stick!

Colloquially expressed, but essentially correct.

— Doc Velocity






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Did you see this video/thread The Video BP doesn't want you to see. - www.abovetopsecret.com... ?

I think people overlooked this video thinking it would be the same old hat - BP disaster horror stories.. but it's not. This guy ties our U.S Dollar into the oil economy in a way which proves our U.S. Dollar's value is supported by the oil industry.. much like gold in Fort Knox used to do. In fact the gold was replaced by oil for this purpose.

This implications are amazing and shocking. If what this guy says is true, and it looks like there is plenty of evidence to suggest he is, then this whole system is engineered to do two things. 1, keep the U.S. Dollar around, Keep Oil around.

If all oil companies were to suddenly stop drilling the U.S Dollar would tank worse than any other time in history. This causes major problems with cutting back on oil to implement alternative energies.

Have a look. I am interested to hear your thoughts on this and how it relates to this problem of getting away from dependence on oil.

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Hell, I agree with you on the mental ability level of the current adminsitration and on the farce of anthropogenic global warming... however on matters pertaining to the safety of crude oil I am left wondering how deeply you must have inhaled around those pools of crude in Galveston you spoke of. Speaking of which, how's the search for corroborating witnesses of your little oil breathing crabs yarn going? I was hoping to resolve that soon, but it's starting to seem less likely.

Hello, McFly, anyone home?!

Got it, Doc. Thanks for pointing it out!

Star and Flag... and flag... and flag.... and flag.

So Doc has BP raised the amount they give you to post increased with the disaster?You and"Just Wondering"who i am starting to think is your Alter Ego all ways want to make light of the situation.

I agree there are too many doom and gloom threads,but the majority of your post seem to somewhat absolve BP of what has happened, kinda like Damage control.But what i am starting to wonder is how you are able to talk with your foot going deeper into your mouth.

Soon in a few post you will log on as"Just wondering"to make it appear that there are others who share your "BP is not to blame"pay to post state of mind


After all your name says it all"dis-information specialist"

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