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Originally posted by mothershipzeta
Originally posted by daddio
reply to post by PayMeh
Absolutely correct. "To provide for the general welfare" means to protect the Citizenry from insurgents. Does not matter if they are friendly or not. The armed Citizens are correct in forming malitias'. It is now OUR duty to protect each other. The government is guilty of treason in allowing the borders to be ungaurded.
People keep throwing around the words "treason" and "traitor," but none of you seem to know what they mean.
Try reading the Constitution sometime:
Treason
Article III Section 3
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Unless I missed something, we're not at war with Mexico. And I haven't noticed illegal immigrants committing acts of war. Are some criminals? Sure. But crime and war are completely different. Using the word "insurgent" just makes the position look more ridiculous.
People who talk about taking up arms against the Obama Administration? According to our Constitution, THAT is treason.
People who talk about taking up arms against the Obama Administration? According to our Constitution, THAT is treason.
Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
they are more than undocumented immigrants... they are Criminals because they are committing a felony act by entering a country illegally.
Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by kozmo
The reality is that nothing they do will ever match your definition of securing the border. They could put the military down there and many of you will still complain the border isn't secure.
That border has never been secure in US history and never will be. If anything, this is the most security that border has ever had. Add to that that you have all kind of law enforcement in on the game and you just can't say they aren't trying to secure the border.
Originally posted by jam321
Just because the fed isn't securing the border to one's liking, doesn't mean they aren't trying to secure the border.
Voluntary Departure The departure of an alien from the United States without an order of removal. The departure may or may not have been preceded by a hearing before an immigration judge. An alien allowed to voluntarily depart concedes removability but does not have a bar to seeking admission at a port-of-entry at any time. Failure to depart within the time granted results in a fine and a ten-year bar to several forms of relief from deportation.
Think that the fed would accept that argument when someone can't pay their taxes?
Of course not.
3. How is voluntary departure granted?
INS border patrol agents can offer voluntary departure to aliens when they are apprehended at or near the border. INS officers and immigration judges can also offer voluntary departure, usually when an alien is apprehended inside the United States for violations of the immigration law.