(Solution) Free Energy + 20 Hr Work Wk + Zero Taxes = Freedom

Originally posted by indigothefish

I think we all should have the right to a garden in our backyards...

[edit on 6/5/2010 by indigothefish]

I agree but who knows how long we will be allowed to these days. Someone will make something up about how we shouldn't have that freedom anymore because it's unfair to others somehow. I started a garden in my yard this year, and I am quite exited about it.

[edit on 6-6-2010 by darkbake]

I would want to work more than 20 hours a week ... lol.

I like the other ideas though. : )

20 Hr work week and Freedom in the same sentence?

Do you guys actually believe TPTB care about your economy and your jobs? You think they want to fix things? Why would they want to do that? They already took all of your money and left you broke.



[edit on 6-6-2010 by Visitor2012]

most slaves have trouble adjusting after freedom. they are used to working hard for little pay that when they have free time they go stir crazy. the first generation will have it tough.

reply to post by Freedom or Death


Freedom or Death...I suppose enough people are thinking about different options to this system. At the beginning of the year the country of Ireland did a contest for ideas on how to move their country forward. I made a submission similar to what you have been talking about with independent contractors as a way out of our system of control and greed. Needless to say upon submission of my idea it was removed from their website. Upon further consideration of why they removed my idea (they had plenty of ridiculous ideas on the site) I realized a bank was the one putting on the competition. My plan would have fixed their economy instantly and only required a few modifications to protect the new structure of business that I proposed. I realized my proposal threatened the banking structure.

I will post this proposal soon for you to take a look and alter it or develop your thinking further.

I wouldnt say freedom, but much better than whats happening right now!!

OP, I couldn't agree more with your concept for this discussion.

Humankind are slaving when there must be a simpler way to live in peace, work in peace and enjoy life.

I have often thought that the 40-hour work week is a form of tyranny. It's truly amazing to me that society has taken away its own freedoms and respect. Being wage slaves and doing time like a prison sentence, humoring the kool-aid drinking, corporate, middle manager guards who can irrationally deprive us of our living standards on a whim, obeying insulting rules because we must continue running in the hamster wheel or risk losing health insurance, declining buying power for workers who cannot win the cost of living battle, enduring rotten corporate politics, yes things do need a social re-engineering for most people to live peaceful and free lives.

When you look at the increases in productivity, and that one the husband working fifty years ago could support his family, the idea of both parents working 20 hours to support a family of four or five is completely realistic.

When you add in that we are supposed to support all the families around the globe having four and five kids each, then that is the problem.

We certainly have the technology to produce far cheaper, renewable energy. While it might not be free, it would be far less environmentally harmful, and it would be a lot harder to concentrate the wealth from energy sources that come from so many locations, as opposed to concentrated in the hands of a few.

If we worked fewer hours sitting in cubicles, or in rooms running machines, and had more time to live healthy lives, our medical costs wouldn't be so high. Mainly we are paying for cures that are more problem than cure.

You put in twenty hours to the system, and then however much you want to work at home should be your own choice.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto


Freedom or Death...

I made a submission similar to what you have been talking about with independent contractors as a way out of our system of control and greed.

Needless to say upon submission of my idea it was removed ...

My plan would have fixed their economy instantly and only required a few modifications to protect the new structure of business that I proposed. I realized my proposal threatened the banking structure.

Let's see how the next 2 years threaten the banking structure in the US.

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reply to post by Freedom or Death


Great post, and while Vircom says he might become board, not me - I could see this happening and be happy. So many books to read and so many ideas to explore.

But, in this 3D reality with the bankers this is simply a dream, we are a enslaved species and TPTB would never allow us so much time on our hands to think and improve our lot.



[edit on 6-6-2010 by ofhumandescent]

reply to post by Freedom or Death

Originally posted by Freedom or Death


The government is the authority and as such has the power to do whatever it wants. They can print up an unlimited amount of currency and spend it how ever they see fit. Social services would not disappear, nor would infra-structure. Hell they might not even improve on effeciency. After all they are the government. That's where the private sector would fit in to improve upon inefficiences and service failures.

SMH...

It really doesn't work like that and it wouldn't work like that. The government can't just print out an infinite amount of money and do whatever it wants... shifting local/state government functions to the private sector would be a fail of epic proportions. Let's take street lighting as an example:

How many private companies will you have running the street lighting?

Will this be charged on a 'per household' basis?

It wouldn't be a profitable business because it wouldn't work, so where is the incentive for the private sector to provide street lights? There is none.

Taxes are not only necessary but fundamental to the Western capitalist system in its current form. For a system to work with no taxes everything needs to be turned on its head, we need to shift from the money/credit based system, we need to utilize energy efficient technologies, we need to compartmentalize market structures and have a system in place to provide the essentials to everyone, we need to adopt new architectural approaches towards maintaining population growth. There's no point of trying to blueprint this futuristic socialist utopia because it will never happen, but taxes are needed in this day and age.

Originally posted by ofhumandescent

... this is simply a dream, we are a enslaved species and TPTB would never allow us so much time on our hands to think and improve our lot.

We are currently engaged in a war to the death.

We win now or they in-prison us using technology.

Technology is a two edged sword and they can't have 7 Billion people running around chanting FREEDOM.

We are a threat.

reply to post by Freedom or Death


Yepper, the worse is still ahead.

The answer is for people to use their technological knowledge to start building manufacturing centers where small companies mass produce good quality goods.

Legalizing Cannabis or hemp, would be another good place to start for all the amazing products that can be produced from it.

reply to post by abecedarian


1/4-1/3 try at least 50% and in some cases 75%.

No, doesn't have to be like that, it's just we are a enslaved species and most of us just simply are too stupid to rebell.

[edit on 6-6-2010 by ofhumandescent]

reply to post by Freedom or Death


Sorry dude, but I chose a career I love. It's 24 hours a day of work. Even my dreams are work and ideas.

You are trying to plan society.

This failed with suburbanism

this failed with the garden city movement

this failed with modernism, new modernism, etc etc.

You can't do it.

Though the other 2 are great and I want you to go with it.

s+f
you should run for election. this is the kind of change we need. 2012 cant wait, free energy, 20 hour work week, zero taxes. i would vote for you in a heartbeat and so would everybody else.... "viva la revolution"

[edit on 6-6-2010 by gaurdian2012]

Originally posted by area6
Well ...

1) Free energy - sustainable energy is all derived from the sun (directly or indirectly the sources you mention are just that). But a few very smart studies have figured out that we can only support 2 billion people indefinitely with the amount of energy we get from the sun. So a lot of people have to go.

No, we just need to make more efficient solar collectors.

The sun radiates uniformly in all directions, mainly visible light and infrared radiation, and we can calculate the total amount of energy radiated by measuring the quantity of solar energy/second reaching every square meter of Earth and then multiplying that by the total surface area of a sphere with radius equal to the radius of Earth orbit. We get the astonishingly huge amount of 400 trillion trillion watts. To put this into a crazy context, every second the sun produces the same energy as about a trillion 1 megaton bombs! In one second, our sun produces enough energy for almost 500,000 years of the current needs of our so-called civilization.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by Freedom or Death

 

Upon further consideration of why they removed my idea (they had plenty of ridiculous ideas on the site) I realized a bank was the one putting on the competition. My plan would have fixed their economy instantly and only required a few modifications to protect the new structure of business that I proposed. I realized my proposal threatened the banking structure.

I will post this proposal soon for you to take a look and alter it or develop your thinking further.

Please do, I would be very interested in that.

Regarding the subject : having read the first three pages of this thread it is obvious that the biggest obstacle to moving in the direction suggested is ourselves. The main problem, blatantly obvious from some of the comments, is our brainwashed, programmed state which is a major impediment to finding solutions via lateral thinking.
As an example, many have stated that we lack the means to sustain life above a certain population threshold, but is that true, or is such an idea mainly the result of our education for some, and a 'Georgia Guidestone' mentality for others?
What I know with certainty is that 70% of the world's total food supply is controlled, directly or indirectly, through incredibly tangled corporate structures, by the Windsor family. As we speak, for example, over 10,000,000 people in Africa are facing famine, but it is definitely not because their is not enough food to go around, rather is due to speculation, hoarding and an outright decision to starve those deemed unworthy by a certain elite - 'useless eaters' they arrogantly call them.
I have assisted in planting and nurturing a small plot on a small parcel of land and it produces such an abundance of fruit and vegetables that we are constantly giving crates of produce away - suffice to say, I don't believe for a second that we will have any difficulty whatsoever in feeding 3-4 times the world's actual population if we rid the world of certain people, their control mechanisms, their think-tanks and their stranglehold on education.

The question of work is rather less complex - the amount of work required is the exact amount that will feed you and your family, the rest is luxury. Having lived in small communities as well as metropolitan areas, and having experienced the afore-mentioned communities freely and cheerfully giving their weekends to help a member of the community enlarge their house or fix their barn I believe the answer lies again within - their is no need for a centralized form of power to dictate how, where and when I should work to then rob me of the fruits of my labor under the pretext of a greater good. I don't agree with anything I have seen from government in the past 35 years, so why should I pay for it?
I think the underlying idea is that work's value is in it's purpose: the whole idea that we work to get ahead in life will have to be reviewed. I'd rather work so that my neighbor has an extra bedroom for a baby on the way than for a new SUV. When did we stop being able to understand such simple concepts?

Finally free energy: one day we will find out how long it has been around, and the anger against corporate control in the name of energy and profit will be justified...

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[edit on 6-6-2010 by D377MC]

'Then we will be free' is the most problematic of your statements, as it redefines the subject by framing it incorrectly. This I do not believe. Freedom is a direct consequence of truth. Truth empowers us and indeed if the mind is free then 'freedom' is a natural consequence.

Herein lies the problem - the answer is not a set of necessities or a wishlist of empowering technologies or gimmicks, rather a correct understanding of who we are, why we are here, and which values should be elevated to guiding principles in order to benefit humanity as a whole.

The answers lie within....

0 Taxs =

0 Police officers.
0 Roads.
0 Government funded hospitals.
0 Military defences.
0 Government services.

We pay taxes for a reason, your tax money comes back to you in lots of different ways. Taxes pay for all government services you rely on.

[edit on 6-6-2010 by Jerry_Teps]