Official Manual Top Secret/Majic Eyes Only: Extraterrestrial Entities and Technology, Recovery and D

reply to post by Riposte


People get paid to do forgeries. Who has most to gain from keeping the myth alive is the key question imo.

Originally posted by cripmeisterPeople get paid to do forgeries...

More on this point, just because a book exists does not necessarily mean it is genuine. For instance, despite being a complete invention of HP Lovecraft, there are dozens upon dozens of forged Necronomicons out there, ranging from Simon's knock-off of Sumerian mythology, L. Sprague de Camp's hoax and loving fan recreations. I'm not saying this is the case with this "Official Manual", but it is an important caveat to remember.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by cripmeisterPeople get paid to do forgeries...

More on this point, just because a book exists does not necessarily mean it is genuine. For instance, despite being a complete invention of HP Lovecraft, there are dozens upon dozens of forged Necronomicons out there, ranging from Simon's knock-off of Sumerian mythology, L. Sprague de Camp's hoax and loving fan recreations. I'm not saying this is the case with this "Official Manual", but it is an important caveat to remember.

Good point. There probably isn't a master mind behind all of these documents, reality is usually more complex then that. Though I suspect some of the MJ12 documents were "ordered" by leading UFO researchers.

reply to post by Antor


Sorry to disappoint you folks, this is old news. As a matter of fact I have copies of this document on some old 4" floppy's that date back at least 10 years. Think I first heard about it on C2CAM w/ ABell back in the day.
If you do some checking, I'm sure you'll verify that.
It does make for some "intriguing" reading, real??? I doubt it, but then again if the FBI investigated it and the Navy denied it.... who knows?
Don't hold me to this... but I think S. Friedman may have had something to say about these documents in his book, "Top Secret / Majic".

Originally posted by excelents
reply to post by Antor

 

Hmmm, just checking assuming that this document etc is from the 1950's the text appears to be fully justified, was that doable on typewriters back then ?

Here's the problem...

Around the 1950s, single sentence spacing became the standard commercial practice in mass-print-runs in America, although this convention was adopted slower in other English-speaking countries. However, double sentence spacing approximations were retained some in higher-cost printed works. For example, for reasons of readability, the US government's 1959 official style guide mandated double sentence spacing in all government documents—whether produced by "Teletypesetter, reproduction or other method.

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This guideline dates to 1959. The "manual" had a published date before that year. This guideline was already in effect at that date but was revised for more modern copying means.

A younger person wouldn't know that because all their exposure has been to "modern" fonts and "modern" printing.

Let's look at the font a little bit. Just a little. Look at the "O" and "0" here. It's different because we are using a computer that uses ASCII to define a character. Typewriters were mechanical beasts. They use "O" for zeros also. Only a few typewriters had zero keys, but the printing head was the same as an "O" to make repairs easier. It's also why typewriters had no number "1" but used the lower case "l" instead.

You can see the difference with the "O"s and "0"s within the document scans. The 1's are harder to tell.

I'm sure someone will come along that can add much more to this about fonts and maybe even be able to tell us what the official US DoD font was back in ther 50's.

While I know we are not alone and that ET's are amongst us, I spent 25 years reading, reviewing and writing manuals for the US military and this "Special Operations Manual" just doesn't make the grade.

While it appears authentic in terms of basic format, fonts and etc, it does not meeting the marking guidelines for a classified document and a lot of its content does not match with any military style writing guidelines. Furthermore, in all my previous work with special forces, there has never been any mention of a series of manuals entitled "Special Operations Manual" as late as 1995.

And...the previous poster is right about the fonts. The fonts in the manual are not accurate for Pre-1970 military manuals.

Just my humble opinion.

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Originally posted by DoomsdayRexFor instance, despite being a complete invention of HP Lovecraft, there are dozens upon dozens of forged Necronomicons out there, ranging from Simon's knock-off of Sumerian mythology, L. Sprague de Camp's hoax and loving fan recreations.

Don't want to sidetrack the thread, but H.P Lovecraft spent most of his early life locked in libraries reading, and there are claims he gained access to some interesting collections in his very wealthy grandfathers library, who he lived with after his father died.

I'm not saying everything he said was word for word true, his dreams were the source of most of his ideas, but in his letters a few people commended him on his ability to adapt old texts for the current times. There's also more than a couple interesting parallels to known esoteric or occult concepts in his fiction. However, i do agree what people will find on the shelves of their local bookstore these days isn't likely to have anything in common with the actual ancient books he referenced, whether they were a complete invention of his, or not. Just stating that people going ahead and making their own version of said books is not evidence that they never existed, or contained what they were said to have contained, which could also apply to this manual.

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Originally posted by LiveForever8




Page 11 of the Special Operations Manual SOM1-01 refers to "Area 51 S4", which is the same nomenclature and location referenced by R. Lazar 35 years later in 1989. Given the history which is known about Area 51, it is unlikely that the S4 facility could have been built as early as 1954, nor that the government would continue to employ the same nomenclature, and the same physical facilities, for 4 decades.

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Although I agree with most of what you have said.... You have obviously never been on an old military base... Even in Norfolk, the physical facilities have been called the same thing for at least 4 decades....

91 flags? Come on ATS!

This 'document' was old news back before the Internet, back during the BBSdays! (if half of you even know what BBS means)

Even MUFON says they're fake!
en.wikipedia.org...

The important news I see get buried here is sad when you see stuff like this and bigfoot on the frontpage. The world is going to hell and we're still bent on this disinfo smut? It'd be more productive to debate the theoretical science from latest Fringe episode. How embarassing!

Originally posted by Helmkat
reply to post by Antor

 

Ok I am going to study this a bit more. While in the USN I got to read/review a lot of sensative material and I got a real feeling of Deja Vu as I looked at these pages. If they are fake they were faked by someone who knew what they were doing.

I was also in the Navy and had to read documents and such that where classified for my equipment and procedures. Whoever wrote this up nows alot about govt./military nomenclature and writing for this document. I believe that this is either a very very good fake, or an actual copy of the Majestic operation to special forces and people in the need to know on how to deal with aliens and their technology. The funny thing about things like this is that we could actually be looking at history in the making and convicing ourselves it's fake. Thats the funny thing about time and people and even the internet. As you and I know, there are govt. officials and even military ones that take there work home with them. Sometimes they take stuff as a trophy, who knows (hell I even took training manuals to work on at home and forgot to sign them back in ever). Then as the years went buy and people died or grandpa died or they get alzheimers, the loved ones and the children clean up the deceased house and see papers or books and stumble across stuff they couldn't believe grandpa or grandma did.

They may keep it or sell it or give it away to someone knowing or without knowing what they have. Then it falls in the hands of someone who is a UFO buff or a science geek or whatever and said person decides to post it as proof. The Powers That Be are powerful but they aren't all knowing. It's sort of like the movie Casino, where they where complaining about the skim from the Tangiers saying how the workers are skimming some money for themselves. Thats like any conspiracy or govt. operation, you have to expect that your subordinates will be looking out for themselves in case something goes bad or their greedy or they need something to protect themselves with in case they are made to be the bad guy. There's alot of information out there, and they count on us self doubting something that is so blatant. Remember the best place to hide something is in plain site, also if you tell a lie long enough and big enough people will believe you. We are fighting ourselves more so than we are fighting TPTB.

And ask yourself this, people are ready to believe a talking snake but can't believe an alien species or alien life in the galaxy.

Are you freakin kidding me??? Any idiot can tell the index page looks like the cover is folded back like an open book... If it is, then the writing would be letters from the cover that bleed through the page and would be BACKWORDS! You can tell someone cruedly copied and pasted it... Compartmentalized would be written backwords! Plus on the cover compartmentalized is on the far RIGHT side of the page. if the cover is opened the LEFT side of the page would have bleed through and those words would be the ones you could see closest to the binding..... DEBUNKED!!!!

"ooops, there it is"
i guess thats what tptb must be saying. or this could be all part of some master plan time will tell........

Originally posted by Helmkat
reply to post by Antor

 

Ok I am going to study this a bit more. While in the USN I got to read/review a lot of sensative material and I got a real feeling of Deja Vu as I looked at these pages. If they are fake they were faked by someone who knew what they were doing.

In looking over the documents shown based on my own experience all I can say is what I said above, to my eyes, having reviewed all kinds of classified material (I was the "Secret custodian" on my ship for a number of years), it looks to me that either the documents are real or pretty good hoaxes generated by someone familiar with how these kinds of documents are composed.

I've read all the posts and there are some legimate concerns but anyone who has worked with classifed material can tell you these items are always in a state of change with updates arriving all the time. Thus the index could be new but chapters 1 and 2 are old, chapter 6 was replaced in its entirety 2 years ago and chapers 7-8-9 have been paritally replaced over the course of 4 years. Issues with fonts and terminology could be explained by these kinds of updates.

In the long run though it is impossible to go "ah-ha!" with this kind of material. Its just to hard to prove one way or the other.

Well at first glance this seems to be a very credible proof of intelligence gathering by alien species. But one key thing is can anyone credit this pamphlet as true gov. protocol. But as I say alot only time reveals the big secrets. Just a matter if time before more n more retired people or contractors start coming out. But I will read it all later. After a fat j that is. Lol

Originally posted by Blood Eagle
This document has already been posted. I have seen this and supposedly the FBI performed an inquiry into Maj-12 and found no significant proof that the organization even exhists.

What makes you think the FBI is the final answer and when did they become squeaky clean...lol

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss


I think it's alright to have old topics resurface now and then. Most of the people passionate about these things are new to them, and fresh eyes can offer new perspectives. There's never been conclusive proof they're fake, and even if they are, the discussion about them could lead somewhere new.

reply to post by Risen


Sure, but what about bigfoot being frontpage a week or 2 ago?

I forgot to mention, would you not expect that major militaries to not have some sort of outline of how to respond to "UFO's" or aliens should an actual event occur? No matter how unlikely, an alien attack or whatever is still possible.

Its been probably over 10 years since I read the document, so I dont recall any specifics on if it describes 'actual' 'known' 'aliens'. But my point is how shocking would it be if 'they' did have some sort of printed guideline for how to respond to aliens should it occur?

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
reply to post by Risen

 

Sure, but what about bigfoot being frontpage a week or 2 ago?

I forgot to mention, would you not expect that major militaries to not have some sort of outline of how to respond to "UFO's" or aliens should an actual event occur? No matter how unlikely, an alien attack or whatever is still possible.

Its been probably over 10 years since I read the document, so I dont recall any specifics on if it describes 'actual' 'known' 'aliens'. But my point is how shocking would it be if 'they' did have some sort of printed guideline for how to respond to aliens should it occur?

This does mention two types of Aliens, and 3 types of craft, if memory serves.

And i would expect them to have outlined procedures for dealing with UFOs. There's a non classified manual distributed to all firestations about how to deal with them and what to expect, written by FEMA. Covering everything from their tendency to cause power outages to radiation at the site if they crash, among other things. There's no argument over it being real or not. Should be able to find it with a google search.

I imagine the military one they have these days would be a fair bit more detailed.

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S&F because hoax or not, this is very interesting and I want to see more of what ATS has to offer on this one.

Skeptics, please go easy on the judgment unless you have some new and insightful evidence against it.

Believers, same goes for you! Lets try and stick to the facts and keep an open mind that this may in fact be a hoax just like we have seen before with startling detail (CARET drones anyone?)

I hold my opinion for now, but like all of you, would love for this to not be a hoax.

WOW... Come this isnt all over the media....

Poeple need to see this if it's actually the real deal...