Questions about Satan

the way i see it: People are only the ones to choose

the devil, he's nothing, God needs him to test us.

So TPTB, the elite do what they think is best for the world (and themselves of course)

CHOICES people, we all have a good and evil in us, and sometimes evil can be a little right and good can be a little wrong (ying and yang)

reply to post by truthseeker1984


I like your answer and I understand it but it doesn't work in Christianity. Most Christians believe that there is an All-Good All-Powerful deity who created the entire Universe and everything in it - there would be no room for evil if such a deity existed.

The Bible doesn't provide any answers, it just says Lucifer's hubris caused a tragic rebellion.

Thank goodness I don't believe any of that anymore, the brain exploding paradoxes are far too numerous in Christianity.

reply to post by gerg357


Alot of the issues you raise have to do with the vast misconceptions and revisionist teachings found in many churches.

Satan in the Bible is subordinate to G-d, as can be seen in the Book of Job.

It can also be seen in Job that Satan still operates in the Heavens.

It is also clear from Job that the conflict is between Humans and Satan.

Alot of the errors, rise from people relying poor translations and interpretations of texts. Sometimes things are just taken out of context.

Example, things commonly taken out of context:
The Serpent in Genesis
The King of Babylon in Isaiah
The King of Tyre in Ezekiel

Most of these false traditions can be found to originate in the dark ages in the Catholic Church and influenced by various pagan myths. Milton's Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno further confused people.

In the Christian testament Paul echoes some of the same ideas about Satan found in Job, that he still operates in the Heavens and that humanity struggles against him.

These kinds of contradictions and inconsistencies between the text and practiced beliefs can cause people to lose faith and become atheists. I can totally understand that point of view. For some reason people prefer to ignore what is written and basically make up their own religion borrowing elements from the Bible. I can understand how that can make people lose faith.

So your going to have a very hard time getting any accurate answers about Satan. The best you can do is to do the research yourself. Meaning study the Hebrew and Greek texts. Disregard things like Dante's Inferno and Milton's Paradise Lost. Stick with the Greek and Hebrew orginal texts of the Bible. It also helps to ignore the more recent inventions of verses and chapter numbers. The Bible was not written in verses and chapters like that. Reading it in such a manner causes people to take sentences out of context. So ignore them.

Don't be afraid of a little historical research while your at it, so you can place the writings into the context of the time and place they were written. The books of the Bible were written by many authors over hundreds of years in different places.

In some ways what you find will be disappointing, in the sense that most Churches, especially in America, have essentially made up their own religion that borrows elements from the Bible. Some of the American protestant churches are the worst offenders. The Greek and Ethiopian Orthodox come much closer, but are still plagued by some errors that orginated with Imperial Roman interference in the early church.

You will be surprised by Judaism though, which has been far more consistent over time not only in its beliefs and practices, but also that those beliefs and practices are consistent with the texts.

The devil is simply the figurehead behind the fear/negative/dark side of duality.

Being created by God, it is impossible to ever be separated from the Creator, so any such separation is purely an illusion.

The illusion of duality (dark and light) is necessary for us to experience the gift of free will, so one could say that the devil actually works for God without knowing that is what he is doing.

This is all a game that the Universe plays with itself in order to experience itself in new and exciting ways. We are all eternal and infinite beings that have elected to forget that everything is connected and we are all One. We forget and experience the darkness so that we can experience the counter side, which is the return home to the Light of Love. This is a gift. Existence is a gift.

Each of us chooses our own path within the duality matrix, traversing many lifetimes and many experiences, and because of free will, God does not stop any of its children from experiencing fear, pain, and darkness...as that would violate free will. No one is "sent to hell" for being bad, there are only those who live out their own nightmares because they have allowed themselves to be programmed with fear.

Seek love in all things, and may peace and joy rest upon you and yours.

Namaste.

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