Mars Surface Pictures / Anomolies

reply to post by Havick007


After looking more at the photo (the one from the left camera), I don't think it's a sensor fault, it's more than one pixel and all those faults are limited to one pixel at a time.

Here are the photos again, from the radiometrically corrected versions, with levels adjusted in Photoshop.

Photo 1N231438994RAD82XUP0705L0C1


Photo 1N231438994RAD82XUP0705R0C1


PS: Photoshop may not look user-friendly, but after working with it for a while you will see that it was made for people that need to do that type of work, things look natural and work can be done very fast.

Edit: I forgot to post the source for the radiometrically calibrated photos.
I got them from here.

[edit on 18/4/2010 by ArMaP]

reply to post by Havick007


Picture looks a bit soft to me to be honest so what do you think you see in it becuase for me there is not a great deal of detail.

[edit on 18-4-2010 by wmd_2008]

Originally posted by Havick007
Are you saying the photos from google arent of good enough quality to make objects out? They seem pretty good to me. What does everyone else think?

I always prefer the original, if available, that's why I like when people post the photos' IDs, that allows me to look for the originals instead of being limited to the photos posted.

The raw images maybe greyscale but are still pretty good.

Yes, raw images are good, but the radiometrically calibrated photos are better. The raw photos are automatically (I think) converted into JPGs from the original format after being received from Mars, without any processing, so they are the closest to the original.

You might have picture that has a rabbit and duck in it but some people only see the rabbit, it takes time to see the duck.

The problem appears when people see a turkey.

reply to post by ArMaP


So what is you opinion of the object. Image error or something of interest?

Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by wmd_2008

 

Are you saying the photos from google arent of good enough quality to make objects out? They seem pretty good to me. What does everyone else think?

The raw images maybe greyscale but are still pretty good. I can certainly see odd things. Hey here's something to ponder, you know those pictures we have that have to different objects in one. I'm not sure of the name of them, they are similar to inkblot pics. You might have picture that has a rabbit and duck in it but some people only see the rabbit, it takes time to see the duck. You know you see them in IQ test's and stuff. You might need to take the same approach to these photo's.
There's many things i didnt see when i first skimmed over the pics. But after careful study certain things begin to stand out. Just a thought

Also as you said about pixelated images etc i know what you mean. I have seen thread where people try to pin point objects on lo res cam's in orbit. It is a waste of time i know. These arent lo res. I will post an example below.

This picture is of odd tracks near the Lcross impact zone on the moon. They are Hi res pics from Kaguya sat. With Lo res pics you couldnt make this out at all.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ea91ce2c14ff.jpg[/atsimg]

The tracks are approx 10 kms in length

[edit on 18-4-2010 by Havick007]

reply to post by wmd_2008


This one is zoomed in on G/E so i will admit it is of poor quality.

Below is with some crude paint work.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c97ca8727135.jpg[/atsimg]

The object with blue outlines seems to me like a person kneeling down facing the main rock formation( yellow outline ) Also notice an image or motion blurr just near the ( yellow ) rock formation. Oddly looks like a face.
The red outline is what appears to a staff or long stick leaning against the rock next to it. Notice as well the double prong or fork at the bottom if the stick.

Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by wmd_2008

 

This one is zoomed in on G/E so i will admit it is of poor quality.

Below is with some crude paint work.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c97ca8727135.jpg[/atsimg]

The object with blue outlines seems to me like a person kneeling down facing the main rock formation( yellow outline ) Also notice an image or motion blurr just near the ( yellow ) rock formation. Oddly looks like a face.
The red outline is what appears to a staff or long stick leaning against the rock next to it. Notice as well the double prong or fork at the bottom if the stick.

There is no real detail in that picture you have done what I claimed would happen seeing detail were none exists thanks for that

[edit on 18-4-2010 by wmd_2008]

reply to post by wmd_2008


lol oh ok sure that one out of all the other i have posted. That is from Viking 1 btw so yes the image quality isnt so good i agree on that.

Here is a wider view of the area:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/23b9e6594b3d.jpg[/atsimg]

reply to post by Havick007

It's hard to say.

As both photos were taken at the same time, for it to appear in one and not the other it could be the Sun reflecting on something and that reflection was not visible from the other camera.

Or it could be a camera problem, the fact that it doesn't look like other camera faults doesn't mean it cannot be one.

reply to post by ArMaP


Are you sure they were both at the same time?

I was under the impression there is only one Navigation Camera onboard.
I thought the 2 succesive photo's were from the Navcam rotating or the navcam being mainly stationary and the rover rotating on the spot ( if you know what i mean )

Although looking at the pictures and the two previous shots from Sol 1163 there are some similar white dots in odd places they may indicate image blurr or error.

Although it's funny i wasnt even pointing that out originally lol. It was the blurred rock that appears in all the images of that area. Do you see what part im refering to.
The white dot someone else pointed out to me i wasnt too sure to begin with in regard to that.

[edit on 18-4-2010 by Havick007]

Here is another interesting photo. i have a couple thoughts on it but i want people to think first before i put them forward. Think outside the box and think of the area and if it looks natural to you.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3718f287ed2f.jpg[/atsimg]

The above image is from Spirit rover ( panorama way to Bonneville )

Below images are close up's of the same area.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/612b98f1e3e5.jpg[/atsimg]



[edit on 18-4-2010 by Havick007]

reply to post by ArMaP

Originally posted by ArMaP
After looking more at the photo (the one from the left camera), I don't think it's a sensor fault, it's more than one pixel and all those faults are limited to one pixel at a time.

Here are the photos again, from the radiometrically corrected versions, with levels adjusted in Photoshop.

Interesting, the way you adjusted them helps show the size of the dead pixels much better. You're right, the larger one does seem to stand out now.

What do you take from these following images, I was looking at them a few days ago and this thread reminded me of them. I shook them off as sensor faults as well, albeit, strange ones. Look in the sky.

Spirit sol 2086 - Black one on left image, large white on right image

Spirit sol 2089 - Same black one on left image (which makes me think its a sensor problem), none on right image that i can see

Spirit sol 2091 - Left image has prominent black ones, in new locations. Right image has small blacks ones.

All the images are similar shots from only a few sols apart.

*Edit to add...* After opening several of the linked images in separate browser tabs it is easy to see the anamolies dont change position on the image, regardless of what was photographed. Clearly they are sensor problems. However, this is the only image with the prominent dark one in the center top. Compare it to here



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Below is another picture i noticed. It is from Spirit Rover and the panorama at Bonneville Crater. I have noticed all the rocks there are odd.
The one below is what seems to me to be what is left of a head of a statue or something similar.

As i said all the rocks in the area look odd, to me it seems like there was a statue or some sort of structure that has broken up. Alot of the rocks seem to have been cut and have straight shapes on the sides. Go and check it on google Earth.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/bcc6dda2cffd.jpg[/atsimg]

Oh and the head is lying on it's side as well. Well in my opinion but i may be wrong.

[edit on 18-4-2010 by Havick007]

reply to post by samureyed


Orbs or maybe objects in the far distance, or maybe a martian bug close to the camera lol.

Of course could be image errors though, it is really hard to say.

reply to post by samureyed



I just noticed the black dots are in all pictures over the various days in the same spots on the frames. It must be marks on the camera.

Bring up all the photos in different tabs and change between them. You will notice they are all the same dots ( the black one ) the white dots though are not so common.

[edit on 18-4-2010 by Havick007]

Here's a couple more from Bonneville Crater.
They are rocks yes but i think they are oddly shaped and possible remains of a statue or structure. I think back to ruins on Earth in some ancient areas and when the rocks are scattered and weathered it's hard to tell where they belong or what exactly they once were. But it may be worth further investigation.


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c87abb33292a.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/36a11145c716.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1403b9cb0b25.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9c77b59706cf.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/82da0ff43b2d.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/070d4eec8018.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/771f7d531527.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ef9c0037b8d6.jpg[/atsimg]

Now i know these may all seem kinda random and they may well be. But keep in mind this particular area is littered with similar shaped rocks. Have a look and Google Mars for yourself. There is too many to post!!
Just look closely at the shapes and formations.

reply to post by Havick007

Yes, they were taken at the same time, they have that information on the file name, that's one of the reasons the real file name is important.

One of the images (the one with the white dot) is image 1N231438994EFF82XUP0705L0M1, the other is image 1N231438994EFF82XUP0705R0M1.

In those names, the letters and numbers have these meanings:

character 1 - Spacecraft ID
1 = Opportunity
character 2 - Camera
N = NAVCAM
characters 3 to 11 - Spacecraft clock
231438994
characters 12 to 14 - Product type
EFF = full frame EDR (Experiment Data Records)
characters 15 to 16 - Site number
82
characters 17 to 18 - Drive number
XU
characters 19 to 23 - Command sequence number (one letter, 4 numbers)
P0705
character 24 - Camera eye
R = Right
L = Left
character 25 - Camera Filter (PANCAM only, 0 otherwise)
0
character 26 - Product producer
M = MIPL (OPGS) at JPL
character 27 - Product version number
1

So we can see that these photos were taken at the same time (231438994 means, if I am not mistaken, 2007-05-02 at 16:36:34), by Opportunity's navigation camera, one of them with the "left eye" camera, the other with the "right eye" camera.

And I don't think that rock is blurred, it's just a flat rock.

reply to post by samureyed

I think the black ones are dust on the filter (or sensor cover), while I don't have any idea for what those white ones (that almost look like drops of oil from a moving car) could be.

reply to post by ArMaP


Ok cool thanks, didnt realise that but i did notice all shots appear appear in matching pairs so that why

That blurry rocks is kinda odd i thought. I havent seen many blurry rocks. It looks more pixelated than the surrounding area. Also i noticed even with blurr it appears to have gray looking face underneath but it's hard to say.

reply to post by Havick007



Look around the net here are some rocks with staright edges

www.gmayor.com...

What would you like to see next curved,circular, triangular they can all be natural so dont read to much into some scattered rocks on Mars.