G. Edward Griffin Goes On Record in Video About Chemtrails Conspiracy

reply to post by SuZQQQ


Well, IF this part were true:

And any photogarapher or someone good at gauging distance could easily tell these trails are at or below, maybe lower, than 10K feet.

...then you should have had no difficulty also photographing the airplanes that "made" these "chemtrails", since they were down around 10,000 feet.

far easier to see the airplanes at that altitude, than at 35,000.

Oh, and just what allowed you, or anyone else, the ability to actual guage the altitudes? Did you compare them to known cloud types, and use that to judge? Since, certain types of clouds form at certain altitudes, and knowing the cloud is useful in determining (estimating) its altitude, and what it COULD NOT be.

Still, it involves some study of meteorology, and that would be a useful effort.

Also, any luck using the sites I linked, earlier? In the Bay Area, you can type in 'KSFO' or 'KSJC' (for San Jose Airport). Follow actual flights, real-time. Look at teh actual Aviation navigational charts.

THEN you'll be able to understand, better, what you're seeing as you stand on the ground, and look up.

Let's pick up where we left off...

The Creature from Jekyll Island

G. Edwards Griffin's 1994 book, The Creature from Jekyll Island, draws parallels between the Federal Reserve and a bird of prey, as suggested by the Great Seal of the United States on its cover read the books and *Snip*

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Geoengineering the climate: science, governance and uncertainty

royalsociety.org...

Now, a powerful coalition of forces is quietly constellating around the idea of transforming the Earth's atmosphere by simulating volcanic eruptions to counter the warming effects of carbon pollution. Engineering the planet's climate system is attracting the attention of scientists, scientific societies, venture capitalists and conservative think tanks. Despite the enormity of what is being proposed — nothing less than taking control of Earth's climate system — the public has been almost entirely excluded from the planning.

The Royal Society defines geoengineering as "the deliberate large-scale manipulation of the planetary environment to counteract anthropogenic climate change" and divides methods into two types: carbon dioxide removal from the atmosphere, and solar radiation management aimed at reducing heat coming in or reflecting more of it out.....

..........Various schemes have been proposed, with the most promising being adaptation of high-flying aircraft fitted with extra tanks and nozzles to spray the chemicals. A fleet of 747s could do the job.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Terms to be remembered :
1.Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR) techniques, which remove CO2 from the atmosphere.
2.Solar Radiation Management (SRM) techniques, which reflect a small percentage of the sun's light and heat back into space

2.4.2 Geo-engineering

‘Geo-engineering’ is a term used to describe ‘technological efforts to stabilize the climate system by direct intervention in the energy balance of the earth’ (IPCC 2007b: 815).

A range of geo-engineering proposals have been put forward, including:

•the release of aerosols into the stratosphere to scatter incoming sunlight (Crutzen 2006)
•cloud seeding through the artificial generation of micro-meter sized seawater droplets (Bower et al. 2006)
•fertilisation of the ocean with iron and nitrogen to increase carbon sequestration (Buesseler & Boyd 2003)
•changes in land use to increase the albedo (reflectivity) of the earth’s surface (Hamwey 2005).

www.garnautreview.org.au...

This relates back to the OP, very interesting. He mentioned that the reason they would give would be that it was for mans benefit. He was right on target!

The Powerful Coalition That Wants To Engineer The World's Climate

www.abovetopsecret.com...

bts~

Originally posted by Americanist
Let's pick up where we left off...

[Youtube link - posted in contravention of ATS rules - removed]

I'm terribly, terribly sorry to see this affliction of yours, Americanist, where you cannot put things in your own words and must rely on ill-informed Youtube cretins to speak for you. Have you read the forum rules?:

You will not embed or post a link to a video without a reasonable description of its content and why it interests you

Any questions????


Anyway, if you ever do learn to debate, please explain this:

NOT ONE CHEMTRAIL BELIEVER HAS EVER POSTED A VERIFIABLE PIECE OF VIDEO FOOTAGE TO SHOW AN AIRCRAFT LAYING TRAILS IN CONDITIONS NOT CONDUCIVE TO CONTRAILS.

NOT ONE. EVER. ZERO. ZILCH.

Now is that because they don't know how? I've exlained how several times (and again below) - it aint rocket science.
Is that because they don't think it's important enough?
Is that because they know they will FAIL, so they don't even bother?

To do it, you simply need to provide a video that includes verifiable date and time info, some local street/road signs/landmarks and then a continuous pan and zoom to the aircraft, and then back to the signs/landmarks.

Assuming you are in the US, we can then identify the flight and altitude via flightaware, and determine the actual temperature, pressure, humidity and dewpoint so it can be compared against known contrail conditions.

Chemtrails (in the form of a current massive go'vt operation to affect the people) are a STUPID FANTASY.

Dispute that? Then prove me wrong by doing what I just asked. It's simple. And it would be the BACKBONE for any court case (laughable as that is). So WHY isn't it being done? Refer back to the reasons above and pick any two...

Shall I provide an example...using a tinny little elcheapo camera? Before asking me to do so, I suggest you re-read my 'howto' guide, and be ready to explain why you couldn't understand it, or do it.



And lets not even start on in-situ testing. Cliff Carnicom, Will Thomas, WHERE IS ALL THAT MONEY YOU COLLECTED FOR THAT PURPOSE??

I am very encouraged by the bravery of Mr. G. Edward Griffin in signing on to this issue and lending his name and good reputation to something that has been of great concern to me for several years now. Thank you, Sir!

I believe that it may possibly be this very issue that opens the minds of those who have - in the past - doubted "Conspiracy Theories" and assigned them to fertile imaginations of the "tin-foil-hat crowd". There is a massive awakening taking place throughout the world and if most people can accept that this issue really does exist and that it is endangering them and their families it may open their minds to the other issues that have gained so much momentum among the more enlightened up till now. This is something that everyone can see simply by looking up, no invisible boogey-men, no room for doubt. It is merely a question of accepting WHAT it is that they are seeing with their own eyes. This makes it a lot easier for the hard-line doubters to face reality and forces them to think for themselves - one hopes.

Once they have learned more about THIS issue and have accepted it as reality it is only a hop, skip and a jump away from the other things we have been saying all along. People can then ask themselves, "What else have they been doing and lying to us about?". Once that happens the momentum will pick up and the criminals in government will finally be exposed to the greater masses for who they really are, if we are not too late.

Thanks again to G. Edward Griffin and Co. for their bravery and determination to make this planet a better place for all.

Ralph Cicerone - the idiot that brought us "cows farting are a serious hazard to our ozone" brings us this:

GEOENGINEERING: ENCOURAGING RESEARCH AND OVERSEEING
IMPLEMENTATION

Paul Crutzen (2006) analyzes the idea of intentionally injecting sulfur into the stratosphere, to enhance the albedo of Earth, so as to slow the warming of the planet due to greenhouse gases. He notes that such an intervention might become necessary unless the world becomes more successful in limiting greenhouse gas emissions and/or if global warming should proceed faster than currently anticipated partly due to cleaning the lower atmosphere of sulfur pollution

Cicerone is the president of the National Academy of Sciences.

Here's more on Geoengineering.

Examples of Geoengineering Proposals, Evaluating Geoengineering, Solar radiation management, Stratospheric aerosols., Carbon management, Political considerations

Library Index - link

Stratospheric aerosols.  Aerosols in the stratosphere influence radiation fluxes by direct optical scattering and by re-radiation of incoming sunlight. It appears that anthropogenic sulfate aerosols in the lower atmosphere may currently decrease absorbed solar radiation by about 1 watt per square meter—enough to counter about one-third of the effect of increased greenhouse gases. Budyko ( 1977 ) was the first to suggest increasing the albedo of the planet by injecting sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, mimicking the action of large volcanoes on the climate. Crutzen ( 2006 ) recently proposed that stratospheric aerosols could be used to replace the current cooling effect of anthropogenic aerosols, allowing a reduction of lower-atmosphere pollution without a corresponding cost in terms of unmasked climate warming. Several technologically straightforward options exist for injecting the required sulfate into the stratosphere at a trivial cost compared with other methods of climate modification (National Academy of Sciences, 1992). Read more: Geoengineering - Examples of Geoengineering Proposals, Evaluating Geoengineering, Solar radiation management, Stratospheric aerosols., Carbon management, Political considerations www.libraryindex.com...

Now, it is well known that those with the power have been known to do "scientific testing" on, in, near and above the American citizenry before without ever disclosing the fact either beforehand or often afterward. MHO

Several technologically straightforward options exist for injecting the required sulfate into the stratosphere at a trivial cost compared with other methods of climate modification

I really wanted to highlight this sentence. If the capability exists you can be absolutely sure it has been tested or used. How else would they know that the cost of "delivery" is trivial?

Burntheships

Mr Griffin.

Mr Murphy

As a number of specific government employees, our mandate has us recurrently engaged in what you would term spreading disinformation to the public among other vital national duties.

We post here safe in the certainty that you have even less power than you believe to elicit any mass awareness or alter the public consciousness regarding this matter.

Let us be clear: until you decide to offer your best evidence and proof to a reputable and respected mass media outlet for public open scrutiny and logical examination by their scientists, you and your cause will remain in the shadows enjoying our constant company.

We understand that you will never take this course of action, and are pleased that our goals are thus aligned.

Continue the 'good work'.

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I'd say you and your Centcom Minions are a tad bit more worried than you let on...
otherwise why would you waste your time here?

Then again, maybe your just [Size=4]some disgruntled ATS member in disguise?
That seems most likely, as I would think that the

[Size=4]Fake Army Of Social Media Members

would have more important things on their plate right now, say ....like.....

Libya?

Or are you guys done there and moving on now?

In any case, your kind of off topic...

And most likely just another debunker who needed a fresh start.

Or...Centcom and the debunkers are one in the same, which is the most likely conclusion.

Eta: Oh pardon, how could I have forgot to say - Welcome to ATS!

reply to post by burntheships

The way the game is played... our intelligence services work in other countries...

It's called reciprocity.

Other countries work in the U.S. then they "share" the intelligence... Makes it sound so nice, international cooperation, bilateral, multinational.... all sorts of big words which make the eyes cloud over with boredom. Tell the truth and lie at the same time. Major league disinformation technique the big boys use all the time.

The small time quirts on here do it all the time, practicing to get into the big league... wishing they had a bigger ore important job than working with all us "nut jobs"...

Easy lie to see through, if you look at history...

They get to have fun trolling I guess... just don't feed them...
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reply to post by beebs

What lack of logic? If the Council on Foreign relations is actively talking about using this process, and they have been known in the past to have IMMENSE influence on world governments. Enough for me to make that 'logical' jump to there actually being implemented technology.

After all, they can't wait for the public debate on global warming to catch up... they gotta fix it now.

What lack of evidence? Our observations correlated with mainstream news and CFR documentation isn't enough?

You, the OP, and the subject of the video are convinced that the CFR and the US government are "actually implement[ing] [chemtrail] technology" to mitigate global warming.

Griffin and most "chemtrail" followers are certain this has been observed for over 20 years.

So, why do the AGW faithful, the IPCC, the Hadley/CRU, Jim Hansen and Phil Jones (among other "experts") contend that the global temperature is RISING? Why don't they advocate for MORE "chemtrails."

Unfortunately, a peek at reality destroys all of the underlying "rationales" for "chemtrail" believers, who offer theories but no real, objective, observable results!

Eugenics? The global population has GROWN by about 1,250,000,000 since "chemtrails" began frightening the credulous.

AGW mitigation? No coordinated efforts or international support for "chemtrails" despite the promise of HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of DOLLARS to fight this "potentially disastrous calamity."

Not one of the supposed reasons for using jets to make clouds makes rational sense. It is only the ignorance of the gullible that permits charlatans to pound the "chemtrail" drum for their own enrichment.

jw

reply to post by burntheships

a powerful coalition of forces is quietly constellating around the idea of transforming the Earth's atmosphere by simulating volcanic eruptions to counter the warming effects of carbon pollution. Engineering the planet's climate system is attracting the attention of scientists, scientific societies, venture capitalists and conservative think tanks. Despite the enormity of what is being proposed — nothing less than taking control of Earth's climate system — the public has been almost entirely excluded from the planning.

Your quoted article from the Guardian is a description of what may come in the future.

Find a study a report or a peer-reviewed published scientific examination of what "chemtrail" faithful claim has been on-going for years.

There are none. Yet none of you have any trouble finding such studies about what may be possible in the future.

There is no objective, repeatable or independently verifiable evidence of "chemtrails," only anecdotes, personal feelings and conjecture.

jw

reply to post by SeenMyShare

it is well known that those with the power have been known to do "scientific testing" on, in, near and above the American citizenry before without ever disclosing the fact either beforehand or often afterward.

Why conduct these "secret experiments" in plain view? The continental United States are a tiny fraction of the surface of the Earth. Why not experiment where no one would notice, or if they did, they couldn't say or do or post on ATS about them? They tested the H-bomb far from view and no one was the wiser.

Your "support" has no logical support, except, "it's possible that ... ."

Try harder.

deny ignorance.

jw

For those who don't yet know what Chemtrails are there for, they work as part of HAARP to control the weather and can also be used to cause Earthquakes and hence Tsunamis. Did you see all the "Crazy chemtrail spraying today" threads on ATS the week before the Japan Tsunami? In each one you'll see a full time shill who's clearly being paid to debunk Chemtrails. Why else would someone spend 12 hours per day only debunking chemtrails and not debating anything else?

reply to post by SuZQQQ

My theory is - GO BIG - see the bigger picture. Chemtrails are part of the greater cause - just a component. I reiterate, there are groups out there on a global scale that desire to reduce the planetary population.

Well, this is at odds with those (a majority?) of the "chemtrail" faithful who believe that it is for AGW mitigation.

As with them, the "eugenics" sect of the "chemtrail" faith believes the purpose to be population reduction.

I guess the mere fact that the population has grown by about 1,250,000,000, since the "chemtrail conspiracy" began means nothing to your presumption.

Or that much more efficient and less visible means of reduction are available. Or that it would make no sense to target the most telecommunication savvy and productive nation in the world (net-producers) and spare the isolated and virtually invisible net-consumers.

Face it, the various "reasons" offered for "chemtrails" do not withstand the barest of scrutiny.

deny ignorance
jw