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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by 547000
If there's nothing eternal there is no point to anything. You'll die, your memories will be lost, you were born for no reason at all. All is vanity without eternity. All of this is for what?
There is a point to everything and none of it requires an afterlife. It's actually quite egocentric to imagine that your birth and subsequent experiences are so important that it could only service the attributes of an "afterlife"
Originally posted by Freq Of Nature
To me the whole concept of an afterlife is one of the worst things anyone could believe in...
An eternity of consciousness
A friend said to me its sad that I don't believe in an afterlife, so my comeback was I think its sad that you can't accept that its a possibility that when you die that is it!
Think how many people are born and die on a daily basis!
If you believe in an afterlife please post your thoughts
Originally posted by 547000
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by 547000
If there's nothing eternal there is no point to anything. You'll die, your memories will be lost, you were born for no reason at all. All is vanity without eternity. All of this is for what?
There is a point to everything and none of it requires an afterlife. It's actually quite egocentric to imagine that your birth and subsequent experiences are so important that it could only service the attributes of an "afterlife"
What's the point then? Let us reason.
If survival is important, you'll die anyway so what's the point? If evolution is important the universe is ending along with everything in it, so what's the point? If your memories are important, they will dissolve into nothingness, so what's the point? If your legacy is important it will be forgotten so what's the point? In fact, we could ask, what's the point of the universe if there is nothing eternal beyond it. The universe comes and goes, people live and die, all for nothing. Without something that lives beyond the universe all is futile vanity.
Originally posted by collector60490
reply to post by Freq Of Nature
I would rather believe in an afterlife and be wrong, than NOT believe and be wrong. If i'm wrong as a believer, I'll never know it because I'll be dead. BUT, if I'm wrong as a non-believer I'm going to be scared and confused as crap after I die! I also believe that some of those who do not believe and find out there is life after death end up roaming around not realizing they are gone and wondering why the world is ignoring them. This would be the ultimate hell in my opinion.
Just my thoughts.
Originally posted by Isosceles
Our entire existence is pretty miraculous. Oxygen to breathe, water to drink, food to eat. The fact that every living thing on this planet plays a vital role in our ecosystem and in many cases, our very survival.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by 547000
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by 547000
If there's nothing eternal there is no point to anything. You'll die, your memories will be lost, you were born for no reason at all. All is vanity without eternity. All of this is for what?
There is a point to everything and none of it requires an afterlife. It's actually quite egocentric to imagine that your birth and subsequent experiences are so important that it could only service the attributes of an "afterlife"
What's the point then? Let us reason.
If survival is important, you'll die anyway so what's the point? If evolution is important the universe is ending along with everything in it, so what's the point? If your memories are important, they will dissolve into nothingness, so what's the point? If your legacy is important it will be forgotten so what's the point? In fact, we could ask, what's the point of the universe if there is nothing eternal beyond it. The universe comes and goes, people live and die, all for nothing. Without something that lives beyond the universe all is futile vanity.
There's no way I could untangle that knot of "reasoning" you've developed, but it confirms my original response. Your view is wholly egocentric. You believe your life, memories, experiences and legacy are so important that it would all be "pointless" somehow unless it survived death. So goes your reasoning that there just has to be an afterlife to accommodate your all-so-important life experience. That viewpoint is futile vanity.
Originally posted by 547000
No, existence itself is absurd unless there is something transcendental. That's my point. The universe accomplishes absolutely nothing in the end whether it exists or not, if there's nothing that exists outside it. There is no purpose or value to anything at all.
A something sandwiched between two nothings. Think about how absurd it all is.
[edit on 11-4-2010 by 547000]
Originally posted by 547000
Then you're a nihilist or an existentialist I take it?
The universe accomplishes absolutely nothing in the end whether it exists or not,
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by 547000
Then you're a nihilist or an existentialist I take it?
Not really, although I can easily see how you would come to that conclusion.
Thanks for the interesting conversation in this thread.
Originally posted by randyvs
Why would life be just a short space between two nothings?
In a world where everything is logical and has purpose how could you think life is any different?