Tension in Falklands rises as rig arrives and Argentina seeks help

Tension in Falklands rises as rig arrives and Argentina seeks help

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The British oil rig at the centre of a growing row about drilling rights arrived in the Falklands yesterday, as Buenos Aires sought international support in the dispute over the exploitation of the territory’s resources.

The Ocean Guardian, a platform contracted by the British company Desire Petroleum to explore what are thought to be substantial oil and gas reserves in the Falklands seabed, completed its journey from the Scottish Highlands. It will start drilling next week, the Falklands Islands government said.

Determined to halt operations, Argentina sought to rally Latin American a

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British media seem intent on playing up this whole issue. If the Sun headlines and sensationalism were to be believed, we would be on the verge of attacking the Argies before they attack us. The Times not quite as bad, but surely these headlines cannot help.

Now the rig is actually there, who will care about it apart from the Argentinian government????

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I see Argentina trying to rally other Latin American nations to its cause.

Venezuela and its brethren should take heed that if they get involved in this then the US will get involved.

There are three supercarriers that could be brought in on short notice.
CVN-70 Carl Vinson, CVN-75 Harry S. Truman, and CVN-77 George H.W. Bush can easily be diverted if need be.

CVN-65 Enterprise and CVN-71 Theodore Roosevelt are both in Virginia.

CVN-72 Abraham Lincoln is off the coast of Southern California.

That is more than enough firepower to wipeout every Air Force and Navy in Latin America.

The other Five supercarriers are in the Pacific or supporting operations in CENTCOM. So we have more than enough forces to maintain operations overseas. Besides it would take only about 48 hours to destroy opposing air and naval forces.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


And what gives US the right, to do so?

reply to post by Ionized


Article V of the NATO Charter.

Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

I do love it when the USA folks, feel the need to show that they have the biggest stick in the playground, and feel they have the unoquivical right to stick their noses in at the first sniff of petroleum.

yes you have more carriers than us......big deal!

if Argentina wanted to get chavez involved in a campaign to take the Falklands from the British, you can GUARANTEE the USA WOULD NOT get involved! until such point they they though they stood a decent chance of doing so, without looking like the bully big brother stealing his little brothers' ice cream!

Just like in WI and WWII, lets face it in every war the US and the UK have ever been involved in is only on the basis that the US reaps all the commercial rewards. who fault is that! Ours I guess. Maybe we still believe in an honourable fight. (if there is such a thing), but look at the facts. everytime the yanks get in a scrape (vietnam excepted, but not excluding the Anzacs) and ask for help, who rushes in, and as it seems just for the fun of it!!!!!!!!!

One word

Bonkers!

IONIZED: And where the hell was the "USA" with your "NATO" Charter in 1982??

Oh yeah, no oil then!!!

Case closed!

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We'll stay out of it just like 1982 if Argentina alone is involved. If they bring friends it will be a different story.

You are right though, were not going to let a good crisis go to waste.

I would be happy to see your recommendation go into the joint chiefs of staff then. Could you please U2U a copy when you do so!!!
hehehe

And don't worry about "friends" getting involved. Maybe you forgot about a little UK miltary establishment just north of Venezuela, named Belize! Not just great Marks & Spencer shops there you know!

Isn't it great how this is turning out to be all out war in Latin America!!? no one cared in '82 but now!! woooow, come on come all!

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You don't have the clearance to view any CONPLANs being sent to the JCS.

I can send cookies though.

Oreos please!! and if you can throw in some luckies that would be great!. the rationing here due to it all will be a bitch!

This from the Sun:

www.thesun.co.uk...

MINISTERS were urged to strengthen Falklands defences yesterday as dramatic pictures emerged of a Navy destroyer already warding off Argentina.

Powerful HMS York flew the White Ensign as she steamed just off the islands' coast.

The secret deployment of the Type 42 destroyer and two other navy ships amid the escalating oil field row was revealed yesterday in The Sun.

MoD officials said the 5,000-ton warship was on "routine patrols".

But The Sun can reveal that HMS York has been secretly sitting just off the Falklands for at least the last 18 days - NOT in a routine manoeuvre.

A YOUGOV poll for The Sun showed 58 per cent of Brits want the Navy to send ships to the Falklands to warn off Argentina.

And 45 per cent said Britain should use force if necessary.

MILITARY experts last night warned Argentina would get another bashing if it dared to invade the Falklands again - just as it did in 1982.

Almost daring them.....

Funny how the Sun can always claim to reveal something astounding, (and I don't mean page 3)......

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What ever happened to " Free Enterprise " ? If Argentina is upset the Brits are now searching for Black Gold off their shores , then why don't they just start their own Oil exploration there ? Whoever drills the first sucessful well should stake a Claim . Even better , maybe Argentina should take their Oil exploration even further and go looking for some in the North Sea ? .......He..He.......wouldn't that be a hoot ! ...........

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[edit on 19-2-2010 by Zanti Misfit]

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
IONIZED: And where the hell was the "USA" with your "NATO" Charter in 1982??

Oh yeah, no oil then!!!

Case closed!

Now, now that's not fair... It's nice to have an offer of support.. thanks but no thanks usually works well enough

I'm sure the Argentine population themselves will not be happy to join their own "coalition of the willing".. this lady in charge of Argentina seems intent on political suicide.

reply to post by Zanti Misfit

then why don't they just start their own Oil exploration there ?

They probably don't have the expertise or equipment to keep up with us.

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
I would be happy to see your recommendation go into the joint chiefs of staff then. Could you please U2U a copy when you do so!!!
hehehe

And don't worry about "friends" getting involved. Maybe you forgot about a little UK miltary establishment just north of Venezuela, named Belize! Not just great Marks & Spencer shops there you know!

Isn't it great how this is turning out to be all out war in Latin America!!? no one cared in '82 but now!! woooow, come on come all!

[edit on 19-2-2010 by JakiusFogg]

Now you just went and upset everyone in Guyana.. they do have 3 planes and 3 helicopters you know... Officers all Sandhurst trained

As good for the capitalistic way of being and open markets as that would be. It's a little thing known as territorial waters!!

ALTHOUGH it would not be the first time. There is now no fish left in the Irish Box since the Spanish were allowed to start fishing there. And if Argentina started drilling for Oil in the North Sea, then Norway would get annoying and start a fight there, then we would have viking raids all up and down the eastern coast. which would mean then that the french would take advantage of the situation and invade through the channel tunnel. In the void the germans would sweep across western europe taking holland and belgium with it. The poles would then move west to fill the void in germany, resulting in state of war there. which means that becuase the UK is vowed to protect poland, then we would go to war there AGAIN!. which would bring in Italy and Turkey, giving riuse to the fundies in turkey, which would enrage the ME countries into all out revolt and war with each other over whos god is better. Isreal would get annoyed and nuke everyine there which would annoy the russians and chinese would would nuke Isreal which would annoy the yanks would would nuke China and Russia, and thats just the end of everything. Inthe meantime the aussie are just down there saying......WTF!

"Now you just went and upset everyone in Guyana.. they do have 3 planes and 3 helicopters you know... Officers all Sandhurst trained"

So were most of the Iraqi officers, and look how well it fared them!!! hehe

Well one could remind them of the last time they started waving swords

Oh and we have a shed load of blooded combat trained troops/pilots etc

Thanks USA - think you can do what you did last time - ie NOTHING

We took care of business the last time and will again of necessary.

Don't Cry for Me Argentina - was our anthem at that time

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Ionized

 

Article V of the NATO Charter.

Article 5
...such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Thanks for actually stating the 'code', that was unexpected.

I may have my geography wrong, but are not the Falkland Islands in the South Atlantic?