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Originally posted by impressme
If the United States decides to staged another false flag and then blame Iran, which would not surprise me. We will have world war 3, why I say this is China and Russia depends on Iran oil for their country’s energy needs, both countries have billions in oil contracts.
An attack on Iran will be an attack on China and Russia and trust me on this, both counties will defend Iran.
That is why it would not be feasible for the United States to attack Iran; it would be a “global devastation,” however, it would be an easy way to introduce a one world government, or NWO if such an event would occur.
Originally posted by Dock9
Based entirely on the thread title: ' Iran vows to hit back if attacked by Western ships in Gulf '
makes sense, no ?
After all, we in the West deem it acceptable for OUR leaders to declare PRE-emptive strikes are justified
So why would anyone question Iran declaring it will merely retaliate if struck ?
Originally posted by Common Sense says...
This is what I hear from Iran:
blah, blah, ZIONIST REGIME, blah, blah, GREAT SATAN, blah, blah, ATTACK BY THE WEST.
blah, blah, PEACEFUL NUCLEAR PROGRAM, blah, blah, BOMB ISRAEL etc, etc, etc....It never stops and it I grow tired of Iran and their whining all the time. Just stop it already.
Make your nuke and shut up. Iran is like a little whiny kid that needs a nap!!!!!
Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by Jinni
Why all the anti-Americanism?
Originally posted by munkey66
So you would feel comfortable with a foreign country puting warships and military bases all around you while at the same time calling you a part of the axis of evil?
Originally posted by munkey66
nice try, but didn't answer the question, just deflected it to one part of the question, rather than the whole question, it doesn't matter if they are or are not still being called the axis of evil
Originally posted by Jinni
Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by Jinni
Why all the anti-Americanism?
Nonsense!
It has nothing to do with America... I NEVER SAID THAT. They are good and honest people and bad people in every nation on earth. This is about the world establishment that uses nations and religions to make people fight against each other JUST LIKE YOU ARE DOING IN YOUR POST.
It is about evil 'elite' human beings that have alliance to no state but themselves.
Stop trying to create division and anti-this and anti-that.
I see you are clearly FOR the persecution of the above mentioned peoples that includes the American people with your stirring up.
I talk about the Iran on planet Earth., today You talk about the one is somebody's dream world. The Good King will ascend his Peacock Throne again courtesy of the Demonic CIA and Hebrew Devils.
Your mythology for the modern era.
The Ayatollahs and the Rev Guard have driven the country into the ground economically. Not because I say so. It's in the hard numbers, the GDP, the drain of built up wealth to the outside world.
Originally posted by JJay55
Originally posted by Jinni
Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by Jinni
Why all the anti-Americanism?
Nonsense!
It has nothing to do with America... I NEVER SAID THAT. They are good and honest people and bad people in every nation on earth. This is about the world establishment that uses nations and religions to make people fight against each other JUST LIKE YOU ARE DOING IN YOUR POST.
It is about evil 'elite' human beings that have alliance to no state but themselves.
Stop trying to create division and anti-this and anti-that.
I see you are clearly FOR the persecution of the above mentioned peoples that includes the American people with your stirring up.
So you are anti-Elite because you are not... elite...?
So what does that make you then? And what is your role?
What about the elite warlords that are funding destruction in cities like Mumbai and Bali?
[edit on 20-1-2010 by JJay55]
You're incapable of taking in numbers on Iran's economy and will find some article from some mouthpiece somewhere telling how everything is bliss today. The wonders of Google, somewhere there's an article that is saying exactly what you want to hear.
But as miillions who have fled in despair all know, Iran is f*ck*d while those Ayatollahs are in power with the Revolutionary Guard behind the scenes.
The Iranian population since the wondrous Islamic Revolution has gone from 39 million to 75 Million. The oil wealth is not being spread evenly, blown on military adventurism and fattening the accounts of the clerics and Rev Guard cronies.
Originally posted by Common Sense says...
This is what I hear from Iran:
blah, blah, ZIONIST REGIME, blah, blah, GREAT SATAN, blah, blah, ATTACK BY THE WEST.
blah, blah, PEACEFUL NUCLEAR PROGRAM, blah, blah, BOMB ISRAEL etc, etc, etc....It never stops and it I grow tired of Iran and their whining all the time. Just stop it already.
Make your nuke and shut up. Iran is like a little whiny kid that needs a nap!!!!!
Originally posted by mmiichael
It's the 21st Century. Going back to the 11th Century days of the Caliphate is not a workable plan.
Originally posted by ProUSA
Originally posted by Common Sense says...
This is what I hear from Iran:
blah, blah, ZIONIST REGIME, blah, blah, GREAT SATAN, blah, blah, ATTACK BY THE WEST.
blah, blah, PEACEFUL NUCLEAR PROGRAM, blah, blah, BOMB ISRAEL etc, etc, etc....It never stops and it I grow tired of Iran and their whining all the time. Just stop it already.
Make your nuke and shut up. Iran is like a little whiny kid that needs a nap!!!!!
I completely agree with this statement.
Though, if I may alter your words for a second... more like a little whiny kid that needs a spanking
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Laugh out loud Michael do you even think your arguments through before committing them to the web?
Iran is so bad off and so horrible that 2 million people have fled, yet the population has almost doubled in size?
So the corrupt elites, and their managers and families fled since they could no longer rule through corruption and in their absence the population grew two fold and attained a new level of overall health, education and welfare that had elluded them and been denied them when those elites were in charge?
Your excuses for not posting any credible source for your imagined contentions are just that excuses, meanwhile you continue to contradict yourself in every argument you put forward as if the only person who understands the English language on these boards is your self.
aryamehr11.blogspot.com...
The revolutionary era that began in 1979 has proved an economic catastrophe for Iran. US sanctions, colossal capital flight both under the Shah and the clerical regime, gasoline subsidies, erratic policy making, corruption, mismanagement of state companies, the economic monopolies of the bonyads (foundations) and the Revolutionary Guards, the international banking credit freeze engineered by US Treasury and the devastation from the war with Saddam’s Iraq have all contributed to Iran’s economic sclerosis.
Even though Iran earns more than $40 billion in oil revenues, Bank Markazi has $60 billion in central bank reserves and NIOC pumps more oil than any state owned oil company in the Gulf other than Saudi Aramco, the economic metrics of revolutionary Iran are pathetic.
The state influences 80 per cent of the Iranian economy. Iran pumps a third less oil in 2007 than in the last year of Reza Shah Pahlavi’s reign in 1978. The jobless rate is estimated above 25 per cent. Gasoline rationing, unpaid wages low teacher salaries have triggered riots and street protests. Iran barely attracts $1 billion in FDI, one tenth the level of Turkey or Egypt, both comparable economies.
The stock market has crashed since the election of President Ahmedinijad and his subsequent attack on the economic reforms and the business elite of the Khatami and Rafsanjani era. Iran’s uranium enrichment programme has only provoked US sanctions and deepened its international isolation. Even though Iran enjoyed a petrodollar windfall with $75 crude oil, no less than 150,000 Iranian university graduates emigrate each year and wealthy Iranians are desperate to find offshore nest eggs for hidden cash.
President Ahmedinijad campaigned on a platform of economic populism, fulminating against “oil mafias” and “capital speculators”, the cynical elite of past-Shah Iran, often the progeny of top Iranian officials and clerics. Yet the president’s erratic decisions have only worsened Iran’s economic malaise. Ahmedinijad ordered banks to slash interest rates during a time of high inflation without even consulting the governor of central bank or the minister of planning. The president also ordered the minimum wage to be increased by 50 per cent, thus ensuring that endemic unemployment became worse. His calls for “justice shares” for the poor in Iran’s state owned companies have been the kiss of death for the private sector’s interest in the regimes embryonic but deeply flawed privatisation programme.
Ahmedinijad has also strengthened the economic power of the Revolutionary Guards, awarding them valuable concessions, monopolies and a $2.3 billion contract to develop the South Pars natural gas oilfields. Now that the Bush White House has designed the Revolutionary Guards a terrorist organisation, vast swathes of the Iranian economy are off limits to foreign investors.
International banks UBS, Deutsche, HSBC, Credit Suisse and Barclays have also ended their financial ties to Iran under American pressure. The US Treasury has also blackballed Bank Saderat and Bank Sepah from the international money markets, accusing the banks of financing arms shipments to Hezbollah and nuclear component smuggling.
Iran’s economic failure cannot be blamed on President Ahmedinijad alone. US sanctions have prevented Iran from importing American technology to develop its industrial base or oil infrastructure. While oil sales account for 80 per cent of Iranian exports, Teheran’s buyback terms and corrupt bureaucrats have inhibited production joint ventures with even Indian, Chinese and Russian oil companies.
The IMF estimates that Iran state subsidies on gasoline, food, housing, bank credit and fertiliser account for 25 per cent of GDP, a recipe for economic disaster. Government spending in Iran has gone ballistic with the rise in crude oil prices. The gasoline subsidy ensures Iran has the cheapest petrol in the world, a major factor that explains Teheran’s clogged traffic, pollution and oil smuggling syndicates. The billions of dollars Iran wastes in subsidising gasoline should have been used to build local refining capacity or upgrade ageing oilfields in a rational world but the economics of revolutionary Iran is anything but rational.
The state owned foundations (bonyads) wield extraordinary power in Iran, owning hundreds of companies whose output is 25 per cent of the national GDP. They enjoy tax subsidies and preferential access to the banking system that enable them to simply “crowd out” the private sector. Privatisation in Iran has proved an illusion, a mere reshuffle of state assets among companies owned by rival fractions in the theocratic elites of Qom and Teheran.
It is ironic that though the merchants of the Teheran bazaars were the financiers of Ayatollah Khomeini in the last decade of the Shah’s regime and the pistachio magnate Ali Akber Hashemi Rafsanjani became the president of Iran and is still the regime’s eminence grise and power broker, no pro-business political party exists in Iran’s political constellation.
The arbitrary intervention and quixotic decision making of President Ahmedinijad has dealt a serious blow to investor confidence. Iran’s economic failure is all the more poignant given the financial success and wealth creation in the GCC. The economic malaise of revolutionary Iran has hit its young hardest, 800,000 of who graduate from university each year in an anemic job market. This is a political time bomb for the regime in the years ahead.
Originally posted by gusan
Yess, another country in need..and again the USA will invade for "help"
I do expect america to invade Iran..it is fortold, this does not surprise me..it is in the nature of america.
But still on this site with so much information about how these wars are manufactured for private corporation benefit, some are still backing up their government on this crap.
This IS about america, this IS about people like some here really believing they are saving some poore Iranian or Iraki from tyrani.
Yankee go home!
Like the wealth of america is fairly distributed!
So now america can invade a country because the rich are too rich and the poore to poore? What else are you pro-war willing to accept as a reason to invade a country? Like any kind of reason will do, some are so ignorant they would buy ANY reason.
Bring home your soldiers from all over the world and build up your country from scratch, you really need it.