We don't have to be controlled by an elite.

These people who have power over other people only have that power because we let them have that power. We can if we so choose to take that power and take our power which we so rightfully deserve. We can get business out of the government, and, tell them to stop taking our tax dollars to fund their operations and start telling them what to make for us. Rather than keeping on buying the same product, or, using the same service over and over, and becoming a slave to our own design, we can make the capitalist system work for us. We don’t need to abolish the system.

As for these powerful elites—they have that power because we don’t say anything about it. There are a lot of things that we don’t talk about. There are things that certain people don’t talk about but we don’t because we don’t to admit to ourselves that we’ve done anything wrong as a society. People tend to have an idea that not all is what it seems. We actually know all of what they did. We can read about their crimes on the internet. People report on their crimes daily—in the newspapers, on television, they report about their crimes in books. They tell about what they did in conspiracy alternative media.

Of course there are people who support the establishment. There are people that think that it’s fine and all well and good. But you have to see—these people, you have to see exactly what they are protecting. Why are they protecting what they are protecting? Why is it that they want things the way they are? They want to protect their values and their way of life. These people are traditionalists, or reactionaries, or, anything like that, and, if something too radical comes along they will be sure to try and stop it. The tea-party movement was a freedom movement originally. It was co-opted by the Republican party. The elite leaders behind the scenes wanted to keep their serfs from waking up. They needed their base… and they didn’t want to change, or, for this movement from becoming too radical.

People in power exist mainly to try to keep other people who don’t have the power at bay. Unless there are other people to keep the people in power in check—they’ll run amok with corruption. We need ideas to guide those in power, or, those who have any sort of power, to not wield their power for illicit purposes. People in power—who aren’t in check will of course be corrupt and do as they please. That is a reality that must be checked by other forces and an alert public.

It is said that an alert public is what is required for a Democracy. There are materialistic forces and idealistic forces that constantly are moving in a Democracy. Every now and then idealistic forces gain a lot of power and control over individuals. Whether it’s capitalism, or, it’s socialism individuals must be aware of the power behind ideas, and, the power of what it brings about. Under a capitalist society like our own—we must be alert and aware of what’s going on, and, we must send the entrepreneurs a message with our dollar votes. We must let them know what we like and what we don’t like, and, that we aren’t just stupid immature children that can be bossed around.

Under a socialist system—we must let the state know that we won’t tolerate any more infringement on our freedoms. Most socialists wish to take away individual freedom that would exist under a capitalistic society in favor of some kind of individualism collectivism, or, something like that. They would rather have planned means of production controlled by a small group of people, or, workers as a whole. If we let our country ever become like that—even more of a planned economy than it is now—we let the planners know we won’t tolerate gross violations of human freedom, or, anything of the sort.

I guess what I’m saying is that we need to be alert as citizens in a Democracy, or, in any system. We’ve as a nation become apathetic, and, we’ve let the elite run around doing whatever they’ve wanted. We’ve let them go around bombing other nations, we’ve let them get corrupt beyond belief… we’ve let them encroach on our civil liberties, and, we’ve let them get away with a lot of things that they shouldn’t get away with. We must confront these people-- and inform the masses of people that aren’t aware of their activities and tell them about what they’re doing.

If we are to have a system like capitalism individuals of our society have to at least try to be alert, and, at the very least partially attentive individuals. We can’t have this debt financing system that we currently have right now where we just print money out of nothing and expect nothing to happen as a consequence of that. We have to be cautious of our actions and realize that all of our present actions will have some sort of future action… and… that we just shouldn’t do things mindlessly or we’ll be easily taken advantage of.

I guess what I’m saying is that we have the power to take the power away from the elites. We can take the power away from the bilderberg group that they wield by holding them accountable for any possible crimes they have committed. We can hold these people running the world accountable for the crimes they commit, and, we can hold propagandists accountable for crimes they commit. If we can hold individual citizens accountable for crimes, we can do it for them too. That’s what the elites don’t want… they don’t want you to be alert and informed. If we hold them accountable… we can beat them.

I’ve also finally understood what the name of Alex Jone’s site infowars means. It’s a war about information, about truth, and justice. And we should be trying to hold the people who have done wrong accountable, and, not letting them get away. If we don’t want to talk about things because it troubles us… that’s not justice. An army of alert and aware citizens who know what the elite are doing--


[edit on 16-1-2010 by Frankidealist35]

Here is my bit of truth:
We can not, I repeat, can not live free under a capitalist system. Now, to some people it is almost like I shat on the American flag with that statement. I could explain myself but I'd rather use this lengthy quote:

" We've arrived from every corner of the planet to this nation to seek the fulfillment of a promise of America.
We were promised a better life in our home countries, where we were told that privatizing water and electricity will make things run more efficiently.
Instead the quality remained almost the same and the price was increased until it became an unaffordable luxury.
Some corporations are more efficient than government, but their motivation is not the health or the well being of the people; it's only about profit, everything else: their image, their human resources, their public relations, only exist to protect the reality behind it.
Once upon a time, we were told that nationalization would prevent growth by limiting competition; that our countries were nothing without the companies that invested in us and so they privatized everything. Everything in our country was owned by people that had no connection to our culture, by those who never had our interests at heart, they didn't care about our survival or well being, they just wanted to turn a profit by raping our land, by exploiting our people, our industry and our resources.
They took everything we built and made it theirs. First by creating racism to justify slavery, building the capital for capitalism, and then when they gave us what they call liberty, everything we had was still owned by them. Our governments told us that socialism was the real enemy and that we would have freedom, but the foreign powers and corporations were the ones with real freedom; the freedom to take all the wealth generated by our work and our land and gave us only a small percentage of the scraps from the table.
Their lust for power and their greed drove them to betray not only us but themselves and the word of their own God."

- Immortal Technique (excerpt from 'Open Your Eyes')

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I slightly disagree. I think we can have a capitalist system. It can and has worked throughout history and brought us all these benefits. All I was saying is that if we want to have capitalism we need to be alert and aware citizens and keep the entrepreneurs in check and the people in power in check. I'm for capitalism myself.

So I think that it can be beneficial for us, but, we need to make it work for us, as opposed to what we are doing now... right now we're just being sheep and let them do what people want. What I'm saying is under any system we need to be alert and aware. So we don't get controlled by any system.


[edit on 17-1-2010 by Frankidealist35]

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Right, but look at it this way:
To be vigilant in a capitalist society is not only to have an eye upon the abilities of ones government, but one has to ensure that the private sector is heavily monitored. Given the slightest leeway, corporations will do all they can in order to push their product and reach profitable margins. Apart from watching both the private and governmental organizations one has to also monitor the interactions between the two. How much influence can we allow a private organization to have on our government. We end up with lobbyist controlling a nation with its people hostage under a gun that produces outrageous pricetags. Not only that but the tax money of the citizen will inevitably be subject to the parasite that is "free enterprise" and will end up supporting an agenda that funds terrorism, extremism, genocide, and colonization.

There are times where capitalism is needed, in an industrial society, but I think we are reaching a post industrial era in which socialism is the next step. However, we need to learn from the mistakes of old and ensure corruption does not take place. When the machines work in lieu of the human shell, all will be ready. Just a few more years and we can have a system of socialism that can work. Until then, we may just have to endure this overused and unregulated form of Capitalism. God help the poor and middle class.

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I personally think that the government has helped in many ways lead to the current state we're in. Take a look at how the manipulation of interest rates has lead to the current credit crisis, how the lower loan rates for homes has lead to the current house and mortgage crisis, and, how endless printing of paper money on top of paper money has lead to millions of Americans being in debt that they can't ever get out of. What the problem is to me is NOT capitalism that's caused this problem-- but altered capitalism that's caused this problem.

Everything you've said about state capitalism is true, and, that state capitalism if unchecked can bring about lots of damage to individuals and masses of people, but... we've gotten here because we've let the state allow our current system that we're in... so you can't just blame the private sector for everything. Both the private sector and the public sector are at fault for allowing this state of affairs. And of course entrepreneurs will want the state to reap rewards to them under a system where it's allowable to do so.

What we have now is not unregulated capitalism but merely interventionism in the guise of capitalism. I would ask that you look up Keynesian economics and see how mainstream economists want to manage boom and bust cycles and you will see that we don't really have a free market economy, but, we have more of a planned economy... and that you can't just blame the business sector for everything.