Sons of Liberty:Message to New World Order

reply to post by nickoli


Yeah. I was suspicious about the video; though I am all for the idea; and I know that a lack of action would lead to even more regrets.

In the present situation, I'm sure those regrets are going to be unto death of more than people can imagine; as the NWO has clearly given U.S. their intentions through the Georgia guide-stones, etc.

I pray that they quickly open up more groups that attract players/assets other than a few motorcycle riders. How can we become coordinated in a bigger way enough then now?

I might sign up if I see something that has a remote chance of standing. If they're all that sincere they should make attempts that cater to larger crowds.

No consequencE..

Thank you.



[edit on 17-1-2010 by noconsequence]

I can only hope that these patriot groups can back their tough talk, I would be completely willing to serve the militia, but with the way they talk it just seems like steam. Perhaps if martial law breaks out they will fill the claims.

Originally posted by flyingfish

The blue print for the New World Order is:
* Abolition of all ordered governments

Sweet. our current fifedom models suck...carry on.

* Abolition of private property

Sounds socialist...but hey, if you buy property today, you still pay forever on it. taxes and whatnot...arguably nobody ever owns property...just rents it. once your dead, that land will be going elsewhere no matter what.

* Abolition of inheritance

doubtful, never heard anything about that before...sounds made up to scare people. but ya...I would have issues with that.

* Abolition of patriotism

this would fall under the catagorically untrue. Patriotism is a tool used by all those questing for power. Hitler, Stalin, etc...all used patriotism to sum up control...its like religion, but you dont even need a big book to push it...just touch on peoples general xenophobia and voila...you got patriotism. Remember, pride in your country is not the same as patriotism..patriotism is for the most part, a negative attribute..like superpride and blindness...well, at least in how its used within the last 100 years. Patriotism will make you unquestionably support any action your elected officals make for the country...that flys directly opposite of freedom which most ultra-"patriots" cry out all the time curiously enough.

* Abolition of the family

once again, this sounds like bull..never heard of this one. Just because someone posts it, doesnt make it true...they could have also posted here "*the complete anniliation of puppys" to get people blindly enraged. reminds me of south park when cartman was harassing the class president and said she wanted the extermination of all smurfs...needless to say the kids, sold by cartmans in your face stick it to the man attitude believed him inquestioningly and assumed wendy really did want to kill the smurfs. no evidence needed..if cartman said it, it must be true...yes, the world has become *that* stupid as of late (btw, it was a program to take a stab at a now popular talk show host...not saying who, but you can figure it out.)

* Abolition of religion

You will never stop people believing in whatever they want...in their homes and in their churches they can pray to god, allah, jesus, budda, fonzie, or whomever else they want. I personally welcome and and all religious pushing into offical government to be nixed though. I dont want the satanic church to gain steam and suddenly on our money it reads "Hail Satan" 200 years from now because they got a popular vote. I also do not see how religious values is a good thing in leaders...a leader whom says they are deeply religious is basically saying "I take advice and listen to invisible overlords that tells me secret things nobody else can here...if he asks me to nuke nations, I will...cause I am religious". Religion scares me when weilded alongside great power...no matter what your belief, you must believe this to be a bad thing...dont think its your religion in power, pretend its the polar opposite of your religion that is making the rules...now do you see the issue? keep any and all religious ceremonys and rules out of goverment pls, kthxbie

* A global population of 500 million

The Georgia guidestones were created in a time where people didnt know about advancements in power, materials, and agriculture. back then, it probably wouldnt have been a bad number considering the sheer amount of energy and resources consumed per person. As tech improves and we clean up, the earth can house more and more humans. I would venture to say thats a sliding scale based on the technology that can support the population, adjusted every 10 or so years with improvements. I would venture to say we could comfortably house 2-4 billion without a major impact today...in 10 years, if tech improves, perhaps 3-5...etc. ultimately, we should grow with our ability to gather resources without impacting the ecosystem..we are out of control currently..we need to balance it out. couples have only 1 kid instead of..4

* Creation of a world government

ultimately not a bad idea if done transparently and fairly represented. There will be no stopping this..none..and those saying fight it are fools...luddies whom refuse to accept its our destiny. The only choice is, fight to have your say in how its formed, or not. the natural progression of a type 0 to type 1 planet requires unification of the population. Trying to stop a one world government is like pre-industrial society trying to stop automation...simply wont work and those whom protest against the concept will be defeated without a doubt. Its about controlling the unification, not stopping it.

reply to post by noconsequence


I joined because doing something is better than nothing. Also as you can see we believe in the current constitution and upholding it. We ride to protests and political rallys and are organized by the state that we live in, within a national organization.
I feel pretty good about our state of Georgias direction with things such as hr 280 stating 10th ammendment rights so I just do what I can where I can.

House Resolution 280
By: Representatives Scott of the 2nd, Benton of the 31st, Jerguson of the 22nd, England of the 108th, Allison of the 8th, and others
A RESOLUTION


Claiming sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over certain powers; serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates; and for other purposes.

WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."; and

WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that specifically granted by the Constitution of the United States and no more; and

WHEREAS, the scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specifically to be an agent of the states; and

WHEREAS, today, in 2009, the states are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government; and

WHEREAS, many federal mandates are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and

WHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and

WHEREAS, a number of proposals from previous administrations and some now pending from the present administration and from Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE GEORGIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY: that the State of Georgia hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this serve as Notice and Demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Clerk of the House of Representatives is authorized and directed to transmit an appropriate copy of this resolution to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate of each state's legislature of the United States of America, and each member of the Georgia Congressional Delegation.

www.legis.state.ga.us...

[edit on 1/17/10 by nickoli]

I seen this years ago, its old old news.

The way this thread is going it might be closed. Your not allowed to talk about armed revolution on ATS. I seen members asking if they could join, or where would they sign up.

Are you serious?

Don't be so naive.

hahahahaha oh you guys you guys..when will you ever learn? First of all, none of you in here will ever join anyone in "taking back control" or whatever...why? because you are all but talk, so please in the future...be quite instead.

secondly, do you really think that the personens in controll really are knowned people? you might say that rupert murdoch, rockefellers etc. are the leaders. But, do you really belive that people/families that supposedly has runned this world since waaaaaaaaaay back are that dumb that they'll expose themselves to halfbrained 14 year old conspiracy theorists from ATS so they can be shoot down by some random gun happy "patriotic" people?

and third, let's say that if it really were rockefellers etc who runs all of this..do you really belive that by killing them the world will suddently be a better place to live in? That everything would just be ok? No..because there are always people next in line waiting to take over. and besides...killing is never the answer...haven't you "americans" learn anything from all your wars?

The only right thing to do is inform people..take it to a grass-roots level. Fight it from the bottom, and work yourselves up to the top, or ells the problem will never go away..It doesnt matter how many of the so called leaders you kill, because people are to egostic in this world, and you know it.

Originally posted by Exoblader
I can only hope that these patriot groups can back their tough talk, I would be completely willing to serve the militia, but with the way they talk it just seems like steam. Perhaps if martial law breaks out they will fill the claims.

anyone can sound tough on the internet...most of these groups are just barking angry people that havent worked out in years and would crap their pants if there was, oh, say a chinese invasion hitting america.

typically their biggest event is a pig roast somewhere waving a flag and calling obama a socialist. I live in the sticks of florida...got some neighbors whom are part of a milita type thing and yep, thats all they do...get drunk, get rowdy, spout racist crap, play country music loud, go mudding, and thats about it. oh, and they shoot squirrels and crap while talking about how there will be no nwo so long as they got their gun..

reply to post by amazing


Abiding by what law? The law that they put into place? The law that leeches
your liberties from you? The law of obey without question or be jailed? One can only hope that if they are real and truly stand for what they preach, that they consider themselves above the law and act accordingly.

Peace.

reply to post by flyingfish


Oh God. I don't like this. Please do not do something stupid you fools. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Hi!

There is a Forum for the Sons of Liberty:

sonsofliberty.org...

Seems like real news and stuff, not just conspiracy.

Anyone check this out?

Thanks!

reply to post by nickoli


I am tired of just talking about change and would like to, "effect" change; uh, for a change. Now days, I'm fairly beat down/crippled, and do not believe I'd be a good foot soldier; though I am willing. What can I do?

How can we really get up and take our country back effectively enough now then? Like I said, I am tired of, "talking".. Hmm. Given my physical status, I would be a good candidate for a suicide mission, if it might count, and it's not, "stupid". I might make a good water boy!

No consequencE..

Thank you.

incidently, as a complete sidenote, isnt it interesting that nobody questions groups like this.

Pretend for a moment you were part of this evil shadow government and wanted the names of potential troublemakers to go on a watch list...or even lets say a FBI list. How would you do it?

personally, I would set up some rather disturbing milita type group and advertise it as "the group that actually acts". get all the people like minded to join up and see where they are at. those ready to start shooting up city hall or whatever, or those whom are stalking officals...and have a offical "chat" with them once there is enough evidence to put em away for awhile.

just a thought. if sudden draconian measures were taken by a government, would we need collectively internet videos and webgroups to truely get off our asses and stop the 4th reich or whatnot? no...

the internet is not some strange creature that "TPTB" have no clue about...and if these people truely run the world and all the ticks and tocks of it, do you really think they are also stupid? logically they would have the greatest subtle movements and a great way of identifying and exposing/hammering those troublemakers.

enjoy.

reply to post by nickoli


Good on you nickoli and the state of Georgia. Yes, the states and the people are waking up and pushing back.

I do wish they would ditch the braveheart soundtrack from their videos, sounds corny.

Are these guys for real? I think so. Would I join? No.

Unless they come to try to disarm the public I won't be getting rowdy.

These might be the very people that save America from complete fascism, who knows? All I know is that the more unemployed and hopeless people we have the more will join these types of groups. If they don't fix the economy soon I think we will see action of some type from the SOL, it's only a matter of time before something happens.

reply to post by SaturnFX


SaturnFX is absolutely right. what better way to find out who will resist and who will not? Be careful what you say and who you contact, if they weren't watching you before they will after you contact them. Don;t forget the Pentagon has it's own "internet warfare" unit. What do you think they do with all that time and money? Trust no-one on the web when it comes to these types of subjects.

Originally posted by noconsequence
reply to post by nickoli

 

I am tired of just talking about change and would like to, "effect" change; uh, for a change. Now days, I'm fairly beat down/crippled, and do not believe I'd be a good foot soldier; though I am willing. What can I do?

How can we really get up and take our country back effectively enough now then? Like I said, I am tired of, "talking".. Hmm. Given my physical status, I would be a good candidate for a suicide mission, if it might count, and it's not, "stupid". I might make a good water boy!

No consequencE..

Thank you.

Got a wild idea for you...consider it your mission...it may be dangerous, it may be crazy, but it might just work.

write down your beliefs...speak them (eloquently for mass consumption) in public, blog them, talk to groups and individuals...now, here is the clever part...get ready for it.
run for a office...any office, say city council, mayor, etc...with your wisdom and enough ears hearing you and following you, you should be able to sneak in...
once in, the truely brilliant plan comes into play...alter laws based on how you can as your role, but chances are, that wont be strong enough...so, use your position to discuss more your visions with people...get more supporters...and run for a higher office.

the higher the office, the better you personally can effect things. its a sneaky way of doing things, but with the support of your people behind you, and the power the office your voted into allows, you can truely unfold the patriotic vision you spoke of...just make sure to make good on your promises...you dont need to be voted out once in.

crazy...lets call this plan "operation Elected Representitive". who knows, the concept may catch on.

reply to post by noconsequence


I dont think you'll find "the" organization that will topple current corruption. The best you as one can do is find one you agree with and participate as you are able. A flood is many small drips.
Operating within the law is only sensible nobody can do anything dead or in jail.

While patriotic ferver may be admirable to a degree, ignorance is inexcusable. A bunch of rednecks with semi auto rifles doesnt and will never stand a chance against our military,period. I would distance myself from any organization who is so ignorant as to think otherwise.

There are many things you can do within the law, I suggest that route untill all hope is lost, untill all avenues of change have been exhuasted.

I support people I believe in, not parties neccasarily such as this young man running for congress, I donate to his fight,these are things I can do legally.

I tried the link to the Sons Of Liberty forum and it said my IP address was banned??? Maybe because I'm trying to view from the UK?

Does anyone have any links to news articles about them or their actions?

reply to post by jokei


Hi Jokei................

Try typing it in your search bar and see if it comes up. I couldn't imagine why they would ban from UK..................but please don't hold me to it! LOL

Thanks!

reply to post by SaturnFX


You truly just brightened my day! What a good plan of action! Too bad it's too late for voting.

It's unfortunate that there really isn't any coordination. The active good is too far outweighed by the active oppression. I've lost hope for a peaceful outcome; which I truly desire.

No consequencE..

Thank you.

If the "Sons of Liberty" are willing to endorse a national movement of passive resistance, then I'm willing join them and only then.

Violence is part of the problem, not part of the solution. IMO, dark elements of our government are pushing for violent uprisings and even civil war. Don't play into the hands of darkness.



Our tyrannical government is a total joke.

I believe the most powerful means for the people of America to overthrow tryanny are by employing the methods that were handed down by Mahatma Gandhi.

CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE

• Civil disobedience is the assertion of a right which law should give but which it denies.
• Civil disobedience presupposes willing obedience of our self-imposed rules, and without it civil disobedience would be cruel joke.
• Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the State becomes lawless corrupt.
• Civil disobedience means capacity for unlimited suffering without the intoxicating excitement of killing.
• Disobedience to be civil has to be open and nonviolent.
• Disobedience to be civil implies discipline, thought, care, attention.
• Disobedience that is wholly civil should never provoke retaliation.
• Non-cooperation and civil disobedience are different but branches of the same tree call Satyagraha (truth-force).


[edit on 17-1-2010 by seasoul]