HAARP made earthquakes: Speculation or truth???

To answer the OP's question, from the documentary, Holes In Heaven? HAARP and Advances in Tesla Techology [Brooks Agnew, Earth Tomographer] (5:24 in)

"In 1983, I did radio tomography with 30 watts, looking for oil in the ground. I found 26 oil wells over a nine state area and was accurate 100% of the time with just 30 watts of power beaming straight into solid rock. HAARP uses a billion watts, beamed straight into the ionosphere for experiments. Picture these strings on the piano as layers of the earth. Each one has it's own frequency. What we used to do was beam radio waves into the ground and it would vibrate any "strings" (oil and gas deposits) that were present in the ground... We were able to identify each frequency. We accomplished this with just 30 watts of radio power. If you do this with a billion watts, the vibrations are so violent that the entire piano would shake. In fact, the whole house would shake. In fact, the underground vibrations are so severe that it could cause an earthquake."

reply to post by GoldenFleece

As I said before:
Brooks Agnew "(Earth Tomographer)" is full of crap.

He is either a fool or a liar. Radio waves do not cause the ground to vibrate. Earth tomography works the same way all radar works, a signal is transmitted and its echo is received.

HAARP does not produce a billion watts, it can produce 3.6 million watts of HF radiation. The ELF and VLF radio waves it produces in the ionosphere are very low powered.





[edit on 3/2/2010 by Phage]

reply to post by GoldenFleece

Take a note of the professional debunkers on this thread and remember them the next time you're seeking the truth about any given subject.

Yeah I noticed the same thing right away, it did not take long at all! But at least we realized it :p

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

As I said before:
Brooks Agnew "(Earth Tomographer)" is full of crap.

Yeah Phage, everyone is full of crap but you.

From the same documentary, Holes In Heaven: HAARP and Advances in Tesla Technology: (30: 00 in)

"What we do know about electromagnetic warfare is becoming even more interesting. As late as April 28, 1997, U.S. Secretary of Defense Cohen announced at the University of Georgia that in fact geophysical warfare was becoming a more intense problem. In fact, they even speculated that terrorist organizations would have systems that could modify weather, create volcanic eruptions or even cause earthquakes using electromagnetic waves."

"...The issue of earthquakes has been looked at by other specialists, even going back to the work of J.F. Gordon McDonald when he was at UCLA in the late 60s. He was also a science advisor to Lyndon Johnson as a specialist in geophysical warfare. He asserted then if you could ever get enough energy in at just the right frequency and just the right waveform, you could in fact trigger these kinds of events. I think that's exactly what Secretary of Defense Cohen was saying just a few days ago was it's this idea that now terrorists may possess this kind of technology -- it's obvious if we're concerned that terrorists have it, we certainly do."

"Back in 1912, Nikola Tesla said it was possible to split the planet by combining the correct vibration with the resonance of the planet itself."

reply to post by GoldenFleece

Are you going to quote the whole damned video?

Tesla was talking about mechanical vibrations, remember? His "earthquake machine"? A mechanical device. Not radio waves.

McDonald knew better. He talked about using nukes to start earthquakes, not radio waves. He also new that it would be hard to hide.

Control of earthquakes is a prospect even more distant than that of forecasting although two techniques have been suggested through recent experience.

1. In the course of the underground testing of nuclear weapons at the Nevada test site, it was observed that an explosion apparently released local strain in the Earth. The hypothesis is that the swift build-up of strain due to the sudden release of energy in an explosion discharges strain energy over a large volume of material.
2. Another method of releasing strain energy has appeared from pumping of underground water in the vicinity of Denver, Colorado, which has led to a series of small earthquakes. The hypothesis here is that underground water has provided local lubrication permitting adjacent blocks to slip by one another.

The use as a weapon system of the strain energy instability within the solid Earth requires an effective triggering mechanism. A scheme for pumping water seems clumsy and easily detectable. On the other hand, if the strain pattern in the crust can be accurately determined, the phased or timed release of energy from smaller faults, designed to trigger a large fault at some distance, could be contemplated. This timed release could be activated through small explosions and thus it might be possible to use this release of energy stored in small faults at some distance from a major fault to trigger that major fault. For example, the San Andreas fault zone, passing near Los Angeles and San Francisco, is part of the great earthquake belt surrounding the Pacific. Good knowledge of the strain within this belt might permit the setting off of the San Andreas zone by timed explosions in the China Sea and Philippine Sea. In contrast with certain meteorological operations, it would seem rather unlikely that such an attack could be carried out covertly under the guise of natural earthquakes.

[edit on 3/2/2010 by Phage]

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

Are you going to quote the whole damned video?

Nope, just enough to discredit you. Mission accomplished.

Originally posted by Phage
Tesla was talking about mechanical vibrations, remember? His "earthquake machine"? A mechanical device. Not radio waves.

Wrong again. The experiment I was referring to produced standing ground waves, but Tesla used the results to continue his wireless energy experiments.

It was in Colorado Springs that Tesla made what he regarded as his most important discovery -- and the one that led to his downfall -- terrestrial stationary waves. Simply put, Tesla believed that wireless energy could be pumped into the earth at any node at these waves and extracted at any other. He demonstrated this on at least two occasions. In one experiment, he lighted 200 of Mr. Edison's biggest lamps, without wires, from a distance of 25 miles.

His lab pumped electricity into the earth using a 200 foot pole topped by a large copper sphere. With it, he generated potentials that produced lightning bolts up to 135 feet long. Thunder from the released energy could be heard in Cripple Creek, some 15 miles away.

People walking along the streets in Colorado Springs were reported to have been amazed by sparks jumping between their feet and the ground when Tesla's earth zapper was in operation. All over town, flames of electricity shot from faucets when unsuspecting citizens turned them on for a drink of water. Light bulbs within 100 feet of the experimental tower reportedly glowed long after they were turned off."

Oliver Nichelson, in his article "Nikola Tesla's Long Range Weapon", wrote:

Such a transmitter would be capable of projecting the energy of a nuclear warhead by radio. Any location in the world could be vaporized at the speed of light.

...That one test of his great transmitter could have resulted in what is known as "The Tunguska Event", a massive explosion in Siberia that took place on the morning of June 30, 1908.

Give it up, Phage.


[edit on 3/2/2010 by GoldenFleece]

GoldenFleece, your attitude absolutely reeks. I mean really, really reeks, to the point of nausea.

I've alerted the mods to your name calling and ad hominem attacks in this thread, it's all I see you do in fact, name calling and abusing anyone who disagrees with you.

It's not really the behaviour of an adult is it?
Why don't you act your age, grow a set of balls and STFU with the personal attacks.

Can you do that? Or are you just gonna piss and moan about how I must be some kind of government agent out to get you.

Don't reply, I already know the answer.




[edit on 2/3/10 by Chadwickus]

reply to post by Chadwickus

Nothing like an entire post devoted to personal attacks, huh Chadwickus?

Hey, I've got an idea. Instead of becoming nauseous, why don't you put me on ignore?

To reiterate, do I believe the earthquakes in Haiti and Chile were caused by HAARP? No I don't, especially since Chile is on the ring of fire and is the location of the world's largest earthquake -- a 9.5 in 1960.

Is HAARP capable of causing earthquakes? Absolutely.

reply to post by GoldenFleece


Show us the exact evidence that lets you know the specific equipment in Alaska can cause an earthquake in Chile.

It sounds suspiciously like you are framing your opinion as fact...

reply to post by davesidious

Have you read anything on this page? First of all, I said that I didn't believe HAARP caused the earthquakes in Haiti and Chile, even though reports of swirling colors in the sky immediately prior to the tremors are suspicious.

But if technology that could cause earthquakes was developed by Tesla 100 years ago and Secretary of Defense Cohen publicly stated in 1997 that terrorist organizations "could have systems to modify weather, create volcanic eruptions or cause earthquakes using electromagnetic waves", how naive is it to believe that geophysical weapons don't exist?

BTW, I'm not calling you naive. I wouldn't want Chadwickus to report me to the mods again.

Here is an article on HAARP and earthquakes. It does not provide much more info then we already know but may be worth a look.

moneyteachers.org...

Hi friends- it's been a while since I've been online and this is an interesting conversation. Phage- you have made some outstanding points, as have you, Ozweatherman.

As far as I am aware- and please correct me if I am mistaken:
1) HAARP is a patented ELF/VLF ionospheric research facility in Alaska ( and as a biochemist and not a geo-scientist, give me some wiggle room!). From what I have read, there are concerns that it can transmit VLF or ULF in the range of the human (and advanced mammalian) nervous systems, thus leading to a fear of governmental mind-control, in addition to its other uses (I believe 4-12 mHz? range- the same as our electro-physiology). This is of concern to me as well.
The patent (I apologize for the page's editorial- I couldn't locate a patent only...:
www.bariumblues.com...

2) The document plainly states that the uses will be to study the atmosphere out of range to those on the ground. We also know papers have been written that are of concern, re: its use as a weapon, as some reports suggest it can "see" over the curve of the earth, thus giving us a superior advantage. It also is designed as someone said earlier for coms with subs, etc. With the new orders for the F-35 Lightnings (utilizing EMP and other electronic warfare, rather than traditional ordnance, I am inclined to think that there may be a connection there). Still of concern, but then, so was SDI when I was in High School.....

3) The patent states clearly it can be used for weather modification. this is not a new idea! It has been attempted/and or used, for the length of time even before we've been airborne.
There are rules governing it, and no doubt (IMHO) we break them when needed:

www.sweetliberty.org...
One example was our massive experiment over the Indian Ocean in 1998 and in 2004:

www.met.gov.my...

www.eol.ucar.edu...

This is problematic due to the toxicity of the chemicals placed in the atmosphere, such as aluminum, barium, etc. Even Kucinich was on about this during his Primary bid for the last Presidential election- he wrote papers, spoke to Congress, etc., in an atempt to halt it. HAARP, via ULF and VLF can monitor these metallic particles and- presumably- direct them to some degree- and that's where we get into storm movement, utilizing weather in warfare, etc.

People here, I assume, have read about chemtrails- they are an obvious and regular part of our reality. The AF and Navy have been quite mum, however on the CONTENTS, the usage, etc., except they are meant to be a sort of "umbrella" to reflect the sun back, and prevent "global warming".

It all sounds dangerous. - Sinister? Who knows. Frightening- I think so, but that's my opinion.

Finally, the existence of so many earthquakes can be a result of normal changes in the Earth's climate- we had a "Little Ice Age", which began in or around 1320 AD; the magnetic pole has switched MANY times since we've been humans, and watching our crops, and the sky- it's possible we're entering a cooler phase, and the military/governments are being over-zealous, as there is so much politically-correct/Al Gore pressure put on them to DO SOMETHING- so in a way, we're getting what we asked for.
However, in forcing cleaner energy, etc., we will have a less-polluted planet- and NO ONE can argue that this is a bad thing. Look up a real paper- not Wiki or youtube- and you'll find that the 79 AD eruption of Mt. Vesuvius, in Naples, Italy, put more carbon dioxide and sulfuric acid into the atmosphere in two days than humans have put there in their entire 5-10 million years of evolution from apes to right this second. And guess what? After two years of terrible crops, little sunlight, a decent famine and a he** of a lot of polluted rivers, the Earth self-corrected. What we need to do- again, in my opinion- is leave the Earth ALONE. We need to stop using it as a toilet for our waste- nuclear, industrial, pharmaceutical, etc., and it will self-correct. Even if the military and the radical global warming crowd do their best to muck it up.
PS- we NEED carbon dioxide or the plants will die, and so will we.

Peace, everyone



[edit on 4-3-2010 by CultureD]

One more brief thought, re: the earthquakes. Of course a growing population is going to change the tectonic plates. We're floating on magma and there are nearly 7 billion of us- that's a lot of weight. You can't rule that our as possible causation. There may also be underground nuke tests going on.

As well, gravity can cause movement of the plates in an especially strong situation, such as many close planets and the moon in a similar place in orbit- the thermodynamics alone will pull the Earth (however slightly), but it could be enough to budge a plate, which then engages the others to which it abuts.

As well, a piece of the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica calved in January- and I believe it was roughly the size of New Jersey. The displacement of that volume of water will flood faults, etc., and could very easily trigger movement.

Rule out EVERY scientific reason first- and then think about the nefarious ones, I always say, or it's only SWAG- scinetific, wild- a%% guessing......

Peace

[edit on 4-3-2010 by CultureD]

One last thought:

Phage- I know you and I got under one anothers' skin a while back, but I want you to know that you've presented a salient, scientific argument here and I applaud you for it.

I hope to have the chance to have more dialogue with you in the future.


C

reply to post by GoldenFleece


The lights are not suspicious as they are a known natural phenomenon.

Tesla's earthquake device was never documented, and never peer-reviewed.

You have to show us that the earthquakes are not natural in origin before we can start to explore what caused them. The scientific method is not hard!

Cohen stated that countries are claiming to be researching such weapons, not that they could have them. We've been researching cold fusion for decades, but we still don't have it, so the very act of researching doesn't instantly mean we have achieved the goals of such research.

It's naive to think something does exist without any evidence for it. Dangerously naive - as now you have to believe I have a device in my office that can fry your brain in a millisecond should you irk me. So be warned!

Rycharde Manne does HAARP as the reason behind the huge spike in earthquakes

www.scientificblogging.com...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

Tesla did not believe the ionosphere exists.

[edit on 3/1/2010 by Phage]

www.pbs.org...

Selections from interview with Dr. Dennis Papadopoulos Professor of Physics, University of Maryland Senior Science Advisor, H.A.A.R.P (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program)

Tesla's Importance Tesla was a genius because way before anybody knew or even understood the earth and what we call today the ionosphere, which is a layer of ionized particles about 80 kilometers above the earth, he conceived it, and he tried to use it to produce a variety of new concepts.

reply to post by drew hempel

Contrary to what Papadopoulos said, here are Tesla's own words:

Terrestrial phenomena which I have noted conclusively show that there is no Heaviside layer, or if it exists, it is of no effect. It certainly would be unfortunate if the human race were thus imprisoned and forever without power to reach out into the depths of space.

-Nikola Tesla 1919
www.pbs.org...


And in case there is any confusion:

The Kennelly–Heaviside layer, named after Arthur Edwin Kennelly and Oliver Heaviside, also known as the E region or simply the Heaviside layer, is a layer of ionised gas occurring between roughly 90–150 km (56–93 mi) above the ground — one of several layers in the Earth's ionosphere. It reflects medium-frequency radio waves, and because of this reflection radio waves can be propagated beyond the horizon.

Tesla did not predict or show the ionosphere to exist.

Its existence was predicted in 1902 independently and almost simultaneously by the American electrical engineer Arthur Edwin Kennelly (1861–1939) and the British physicist Oliver Heaviside (1850–1925). However, it was not until 1924 that its existence was shown by British scientist Edward V. Appleton, for which he received the 1947 Nobel Prize in Physics. In 1925, Americans Gregory Breit and Merle A. Tuve first mapped its variations in altitude.

en.wikipedia.org...


Tesla did not believe that radio waves were electromagnetic waves.

According to Mr. Tesla, the present broadcasting station does not propagate Hertzian waves, as has always been supposed, but acts more like an "ether whistle" - transmitting waves through the ether similar to the waves transmitted by an ordinary whistle through the air. He also expressed his disbelief in the Heaviside layer, and claimed that the reflection of waves back toward the earth was due to the change of medium encountered at the vacuous boundary of the atmosphere.

www.tfcbooks.com...

He was a good, maybe great, engineer and inventor but he was wrong about the ionosphere and he was wrong about radio.

[edit on 4/8/2010 by Phage]

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by OzWeatherman

 

If you click on the youtube logo, it will take you to youtube
and you can watch all 6 parts. They have been editing
the reports in order to show a uniform problem.
An MIT professor says it's a billion dollar industry now.

Just a tip, most of the videos on Youtube are complete BS. or posted by people that just want attention.

I have a feeling no matter how much hard proof you are given about HAARP, you'll still believe its creating EQ's. Am I right?

Take the blinders off dude. Its a MYTH. Someones neat sci-fi idea to sell BOOKS.

reply to post by RussianScientists

it would have to rely on Tesla Scalar technology with its sister facilities, of which one is located in Austrailia.

Where exactly in Australia are you talking about Russian Scientists, not having a crack, just everyone one else reckons this bull sh^t
Wally