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Originally posted by pharaohmoan
Very insightful and well thought out S&F.
[edit on 13-1-2010 by pharaohmoan]
Originally posted by skunknuts
reply to post by dragonsmusic
All human interactions could be spun into 'manipulations,' if one was so inclined. I understand your point as it relates to advertising and society/ politics/ consumerism, etc., but I am not so sure why you chose to focus on women being manipulative towards men. There are many better illustration, IMHO.
I think this informative post may belie thought processes and issues of which you are currently dealing. Of course, that could be a whole other discussion of psychology, lol.
Best,
Skunknuts
[edit on 1/13/2010 by skunknuts]
Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Yes, I see it, and I am appalled. Always have been.
But the television has surpassed everything in manipulation and misrepresentations, as well as complete lack of morality. I'm referring not only to programming here, but commercials in particular.
I've read articles in women's magazines about "what men want", and laugh. No doubt they were written by men. Would have to be. The male fantasy on what he would like a woman to do...to be. Then it is presented as a big secret that savvy women know, and are sharing with you.
Seriously. Why would intelligent women do these things to themselves?
This might sound a little like male-bashing, and that's not my intention.
Whatever idea a guy comes up with for a commercial or article, there is a woman somewhere approving it, or helping to get it produced.
It's the degeneration of a society. Shallow and valueless.
[edit on 1/13/2010 by ladyinwaiting]
Originally posted by OnceReturned
In my opinion this is just culture happening. Under any circumstances people will be influenced by their environment and other people, and societal ideals strongly effect the priorities and perceptions of individuals. This happens everywhere and always has.
Who should be the one to decide what direction the influence of ones cultural environment should be in? Obviously no one individual, these influences are emergent and a result of many people being part of a group.
The losing weight thing is relevent because we as a culture consider slender girls good looking(obviously there are exceptions). Yes, this ad probably perpetuates that notion of what girls ought to look like, but every culture has some sense of what is beautiful to them, and no one is right or wrong. This magazine is targeting certain groups by putting stuff on the cover that they believe appeals to those people. It's okay to do that, it's okay to promote your product.
People like things, they always have and they always will. There is this fantasy that people talk about in which everyone just gets over material possessions and becomes satisfied and fulfilled by spiritual things. This is not realistic. Small groups of people are able to live that way but there is no reason to think that society as a whole could or should live that way. It is not bad to want things. Everyone pursues whatever they want, and no one is more righteous for pursuing spiritual things than anyone else is for pursuing material objects.
All of this evil manipulation is the natural by-product of people getting together and trying to be happy. When they do that, five thousand years later you find them reading Cosmo and watching tv. If anyone rejects society, they are free to leave it. The alternative to what has come about in a relatively free market society(cosmo, all the ads) is to prohibit those things by law, or by threat of some consequence. I would much rather live in a society where people can make their own decisions and write whatever they want on the front of their magazines than one in which someone who thinks they have it all figure out tells us we have to abandon material wants and seek spiritual enlightenment. Imagine if the Catholic Church ran the world.
For the record I personally am way more focused on spiritual and personal development than material satisfaction or monetary success. I just understand that things are this way for natural reasons, and its okay. I respect a free market that becomes materialistic way more than I do a forced pursuit of enlightenment.
Originally posted by OnceReturned
I just understand that things are this way for natural reasons, and its okay. I respect a free market that becomes materialistic way more than I do a forced pursuit of enlightenment.
Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
I am happy that I live in a free society, yes. But nonetheless there is a responsibility involved also...to others, to our youth, to help and guide them in developing values and morals. Without those, what is the ultimate destination of society? Somewhere you want to go? Somewhere you want your children to go? Into an amoral oblivion of superficial accoutrements?
The free market can do as it pleases, I suppose, but to whose detriment?
The out and out lies consumerism is based on. The absolute greed of vendors who will say and do anything to promote their own personal gain.
And what is a "forced pursuit of enlightenment"?. lol. Not sure about that one. At least it presumes a worthwhile chase. Usually by persons who choose to entertain lofty ideas and thoughts. Ideas that are superior in nature to the mundane and self-serving motivations of big business.
The free market by it's own nature is inherently materialistic. But that doesn't mean there should not be some responsibility and integrity involved.