Muslims, Christians set homes ablaze in Egypt

reply to post by Selahobed

Errrr from a hebrew/aramaic/arabic speaker who has also researched the etymology right down to the proto phonecian, I can tell you that in Hebraic terms "allah" "alah" means "curse".......

I am not an expert in hebrew and arabic language but some research differs from what you are claiming.

Both Eloh and Allah shares the same root: Eloh (Alef Lameh Heh) , Allah (Alif Lam Ha).

So on what basis that the word Allah is reserved for the Muslims? , its not, and never was. The word Allah or Eloh, by meaning can be translated to 'The GOD' , 'The Highest GOD', or 'The One GOD'.

The name of the father of Prophet Muhammad was Abdullah. Which means 'Servant of Allah' or 'Servant of GOD'. However, that period of time, was way before the Prophet ministry was even started, but the word 'Allah' was already there, used by the polytheist arabs to refer to The Highest GOD in their polytheist society. They even went too far by assigning daughters to Allah (Al-'Uzza, al-Lat and Manah).

So, the word 'Allah' was not introduced after Prophet Muhammad started preaching, thus, not reserved for only the Muslims, it simply word to refer to GOD in the Arabic language!. Even the Bible in Arab countries uses the word Allah to refer to Eloh.

blog.kagesenshi.org...

"Allah" comes from the Arabic word "elah"a god' or something worshiped.

Is "Allah" only for Islam and Muslims? [No! It is for All Three Abrahamic Faiths.]

www.godallah.com...

I see the arabic word for curse is La'nat.

Again, I am not expert. But I see that those brief researches conflict what what you claimed.

reply to post by Selahobed


Please, Christians can be just as bad as Muslims. While yes, there are many more Muslim terrorists the argument could be made it's simply because the Christians are not as devoted to their god. Not that killing is a form of prayer, it's disgusting and wrong, not wrong because of religious reasons but wrong for humanist one. Religion is the problem. Not Christianity, not Islam. All religion which forces people to rely on someone else to help them is wrong. And yeah Redheads do have it tough lol, but you know, sunscreens only getting better.

The National Liberation Front of Tripura, a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India classified by the National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism as one of the ten most active terrorist groups in the world, has been accused of forcefully converting people to Christianity.

The extremists on both ends need to sort their sh*t out and stop trying to interpret something they had no right to in the first place.

PS. Jesus and Mohammed both would be disgusted if they saw what these religions had become, and what their followers are doing in their name.

reply to post by Deaf Alien

However, the words that are in the Bible that are pronounced more similarly to "Allah" are found below, with definitions and references where these words are found.

By resorting to this lexicon, the person whom Abdallah quotes proves that "elah" is not the name of God but is simply a word that carries both the meaning of "God" and "god" (there is no capitalization in Hebrew either). Moreover, as the person quoted by Abdallah confessed, "elah" and "Allah" are not pronounced the same, so his argument fails on that point as well. For your convenience, since, according to Abdallah, "It's the pronunciation that counts", I reproduce the list of words in the Bible that are pronounced like "Allah":

'alah (Strong’s Number: H421): to bewail :- lament.

reply to post by Selahobed


Why are you using Strong's concordance?

'alah (Strong’s Number: H421): to bewail :- lament.

'alah (Strong’s Number: H422): to adjure, that is, (usually in a bad sense) imprecate :- adjure, curse, swear.

'alah (Strong’s Number: H423): an imprecation :- curse, cursing, execration, oath, swearing.

But what do I know huh? Just have studied it for years lol...

reply to post by Deaf Alien


Why wouldnt I? You want references ther you go! Dude I speak these languages so you may argue as much as you like... Google away or learn for yourself.... Or shut up...

reply to post by Selahobed

But what do I know huh? Just have studied it for years lol...

LOL ok. Well I wouldn't depend on that book too much. It's very biased. Few examples can be given.

The definition should be from a neutral source.

I can understand why some Christians would be uncomfortable with the fact that Muslims are worshipping the same god. They would go as far as to invent stories and definitions. The fact is all three abrahamic religions came from the same source.

reply to post by Selahobed

Why wouldnt I? You want references ther you go! Dude I speak these languages so you may argue as much as you like... Google away or learn for yourself.... Or shut up...

I did google. I see nothing that match your claim.

Ah yes, more wars between those who are Different.
It it isn't color it is ideology.

Just another much ignored example/proof that n Multi-Culturism Has Never Worked and Will Never Work.

Humans should quit fighting it and go with the natural flow...
Birds of a feather flock together.

reply to post by OhZone

Ah yes, more wars between those who are Different.

It's quite odd that they are of the same feathers.

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all teach the same thing basically. They're all from the same source!

We rarely see those problems in other religions.

Infuriating, isn't it?

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


Wow that is one of the most hateful and unintelligent things i have ever read. Do you honestly think hateful rhetoric like that makes things better? You have essentially lowered yourself down to the same exact level of religious fundementalists. Did you know that there are religious people who are fighting to keep our governments and foreign policies secular? It's true. I am a messianic jew and i believe religion+government = oppression, especially for religious people.

reply to post by ModernAcademia

Muslims and Christians set fire to each others' homes

Good to see muslims and christians working together.

reply to post by Carseller4



Yeah, then they can burn free-thinkers like me and label us "heretics." Don't think it can happen? OOOOPs, it already did.Study history.

Honestly, I don't want to live under the "rule" of either one of these religions and won't.

Originally posted by truth_of_truth
reply to post by SuperSlovak

 

and christians (catholics) any better??? wow these people worship the same god

You want the truth? You can't handle the truth! Allah is the moon god from ancient Palestine, the family idol of Mohammed. That idol is not even close to Jehovah, who made the moon. Read your history. The muslims sure do not.

Some of you operate under the notion that what is going on in the world today is not a religious war. It most certainly is. It's certainly not a secular one where power whores are making a grab for power.

October 7, 2001
This Is a Religious War
By ANDREW SULLIVAN
erhaps the most admirable part of the response to the conflict that began on Sept. 11 has been a general reluctance to call it a religious war. Officials and commentators have rightly stressed that this is not a battle between the Muslim world and the West, that the murderers are not representative of Islam. President Bush went to the Islamic Center in Washington to reinforce the point. At prayer meetings across the United States and throughout the world, Muslim leaders have been included alongside Christians, Jews and Buddhists.

The only problem with this otherwise laudable effort is that it doesn't hold up under inspection. The religious dimension of this conflict is central to its meaning. The words of Osama bin Laden are saturated with religious argument and theological language. Whatever else the Taliban regime is in Afghanistan, it is fanatically religious. Although some Muslim leaders have criticized the terrorists, and even Saudi Arabia's rulers have distanced themselves from the militants, other Muslims in the Middle East and elsewhere have not denounced these acts, have been conspicuously silent or have indeed celebrated them. The terrorists' strain of Islam is clearly not shared by most Muslims and is deeply unrepresentative of Islam's glorious, civilized and peaceful past. But it surely represents a part of Islam -- a radical, fundamentalist part -- that simply cannot be ignored or denied.

In that sense, this surely is a religious war -- but not of Islam versus Christianity and Judaism. Rather, it is a war of fundamentalism against faiths of all kinds that are at peace with freedom and modernity. This war even has far gentler echoes in America's own religious conflicts -- between newer, more virulent strands of Christian fundamentalism and mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism. These conflicts have ancient roots, but they seem to be gaining new force as modernity spreads and deepens. They are our new wars of religion -- and their victims are in all likelihood going to mount with each passing year.

Crusade

I tell you the truth. If truly spiritual people do not get up and start fighting the stranglehold that Islam and Christianity has on this world, it is not going to have a happy ending for any of us. We're in dire straits here people.

No point in arguing with me. I've already got my mind made up.

I believe in Jesus, but that is the extent of my Christianity. Do I think it's a faith practiced correctly? Nope. There is no comparison between today's Christian and the likes of Origen or Augustine.

Islam? Bah, I don't even bother wasting my time. They are an Abrahamic religion and they are the epitome of evil.

reply to post by Deaf Alien


Or learn for yourself..... I was an athiest to the extreme until i learnt the language and culture from where the words came.. Trash as much as you like.. I dont have to prove anything to you... Lol... Unless you want me to start talking aramaic until your search engine blows up.... I will too coz im a bitch... Lol....

Ive nothing to prove to you.... learn something without googling... Or arent you capable....??? Thanks for the laughs, google THAT... Lol
Im never going to cast my pearls amongst swine again... lol... Shish kebab.

Originally posted by Selahobed

Im never going to cast my pearls amongst swine again... lol... Shish kebab.

Well, so-called "Christians" had better start casting something.

I'm not an atheist in any sense of the word, but a cursory glance of the world situation makes it quite clear where the affliction lies. You think that Muslims and Christians have a right to rush their imagined "end of the world" scenarios upon the rest of the world? That is precisely what they are attempting to do.

In an interview with Raw Story, Schaeffer -- who has a new book coming out this month called Patience with God: Faith for People Who Don't Like Religion (or Atheism) -- discussed his concerns about the radicalization of the Christian right and the increasingly violent rhetoric he foresees turning into actual violence.

"Since President Obama took office I've felt like the lonely -- maybe crazy -- proverbial canary in the coal mine," Schaeffer said. "As a former right wing leader, who many years ago came to my senses and began to try to undo the harm the movement of religious extremism I helped build has done, I've been telling the media that we're facing a dangerous time in our history. A fringe element of the far right Republican Party seems it believes it has a license to incite threatening behavior in the name of God."

"The bestselling status of the Left Behind novels proves that, not unlike Islamist terrorists who behead their enemies, many evangelical/fundamentalist readers relish the prospect of God doing lots of messy killing for them as they watch in comfort from on high," he added. "They want revenge on all people not like them -- forever."

Truth Hurts

This is the truth.Muslims and Christians, maybe not all, but a large segment, actually wants their preconceived notions of Armageddon or "end times" to occur.

"The scary thing is that there are a number of pastors on record as saying they are praying for the President’s death. Can you imagine what some gun-toting paranoid who hears that in a sermon is thinking and might do? And to them the fact that 'the world' likes this black man is reason enough to hate him. You wait. The reaction to Obama winning the Nobel Prize will be entirely negative from the far Religious Right. 'See the world, all those socialists like him that just proves he’s a -- fill in the blank -- communist, secret Muslim, the Antichrist, whatever.'"

Want president assassinated

What right do any of you have in making that decision? You say, not to "play God," yet, some are willing to take the life of someone who has done no harm. Hmmmm... Very interesting spiritual belief some of you have there.

[edit on 10-1-2010 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by TarzanBeta

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

I am a Christian and these things which have been mentioned are not my actions. I am intelligent, peaceful, and loving(sometimes aggressive). I have little regard for the government, nor do I believe in it. I do not care about televangelists nor do I care for any celebrity Christians that makes bucks off of books.

I have GOD within me. He works THROUGH ME. I am still human and do bad things and make simple mistakes. But I know HE IS ALWAYS THERE. I never forget that when I do something bad or make a mistake, He was RIGHT THERE WATCHING. In this way, I AM NO HYPOCRITE.

Do not dare tell me WHAT SHOULD BE BANNED AND WHAT SHOULD NOT. If you want to ban anything, ban unintelligence. Most religions, regardless of how pagan and evil, were developed for a specific purpose and follow a strict set of principles. Don't sit here and tell me that because people are screw ups that we should get rid of religion.

WHY DON'T YOU JUST TRY GETTING RID OF THE WEATHER. You'll have more luck.

And you'll never ban unintelligence, as is obvious, because you contribute to it with this particular post.

Think or Pray - Either one, take your pick.

I tried twice to edit my "I am a Christians" remark and I missed it the first time...but I got it this time!

[edit on 1/9/2010 by TarzanBeta]

[edit on 1/9/2010 by TarzanBeta]

First and foremost, I said nothing about banning the religion...I implied the elimination of it. There's a big difference. Would I support the harming of others to do it??? NO. There are far better means to achieve an end rather than perpetuating more violence.

Secondly, I don't doubt that there are good people within the open realm of each religion as a whole, however, religion either needs to be redefined with a sound set of parameters or dumped out entirely. When something has proven itself to be detrimental over and over, and one continues on that path expecting different results, then they are exercising the ultimate form of psychosis. How long have these religions existed, and how many people have died due to the faulty practices or improper interpretation of scriptures? (I could provide a million links to prove this point) Too many good people die as a result of these mental constructs that derange the weak and feeble minded. It seems that religion does nothing more than to confuse the hopelessly impressionable and those who desperately seek to belong to something that they feel is greater than themselves.

And as far as me daring to do anything...I don't propose dares or enact upon them, I simply do because I can. If you do not agree with my assessment of the dangers that religion poses to society, then you are perfectly welcome to your opinion and I respect your position. But, as I said before, the damage that your religion and the Islamic faith have wrought on mankind for centuries should be considered a threat that is equal or greater to how we view terrorism; especially considering the number of lives that have been taken over several different time periods. The word "terrorism" is quite over used as of recent, however, if there were ever a grand source to which this word is derived, I can nail it down into the two most predominant religions of today.

How we all reach God are constructs developed within our minds, and, if you're truly trying to develop a spiritual connection with your creator, childish actions such as setting a fellow human being's house on fire would not even be a thought within your mind. And its funny, because each of the victims and/or aggressors in this article were identified as either CHRISTIAN or MUSLIM. There wasn't anything else in between. And why do you suppose that is???

And I do thank you for the personal attack against my intelligence. It actually went pretty far in proving my point about the mentality of those who practice your particular religion.


[edit on 10-1-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry



Starred your post. That's why I say that there is a HUGE difference between religion and spirituality.

Religion is equatable with the hive mentality. "Hey, let's all follow the leader," crapolla.It's brainwashing!!

Spirituality is personal. You cannot have a REAL relationship with God or the Divine Source outside of personal spirituality.

If someone tells you what to believe,as is certainly done in religion, you're not spiritual. You are a religious automaton.




[edit on 10-1-2010 by SpeakerofTruth]