Who is Orchestrating the Fall of the Churches?

Originally posted by Frogs
But, it does tie nicely into the need for change. If people no longer want your product you must change something about it - even if the change only amounts to the way it is packaged and presented.

The new packaging is now "inter-faith" groups. The snake is getting a facelift. Supposedly this aims to cut down on the dissention between denominations...the "we are all one" movement. Let's see how long that can last!

Some of these new interfaith groups are comprised of over 100 different local denominations. They give themselves a new name under a new corporate umbrella. Most of them are reorganizing to do "charitable works". Funny thing is, they are spending an awful lot of money for bio-identity scans so they can process people. "The mark" will be a part of their new system, although these groups per se did not "originate" the marking and promotion of the bio-identity systems.

reply to post by Jwest06


True Christians and believers will not FADE away. WE may need to go underground and workout somekind of network to help each other. There are those who have faith so great in our Father to know He has a plan.


Peace,
Grandma

Because I can only talk about what is going on in my neck of the woods here in GA, the news on Church attendance drops is mostly because people can not afford anymore to maintain their Churches they are unable to pay their dues, the economic crisis and the unemployment is creating a crisis with church attendance, after all Church are not free you are a member pay your dues

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Ministers and Mainstream churches are not preaching the gospel about what will happen in the end-times. They need to prepare their congregations for what is to come, tell the truth, and help the people on how to be ready to withstand the Tribulation period of Satan. We will not be left helpless but we will need each other.


Peace,
Grandma

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Grandma,it's a pleasure to be in your company!

Do you agree that your faith has become stronger in the face of all this opposition? Mine has!

Knowing the world hates us just as they hated our Lord let's us know we're on the right track!

God bless you!

Originally posted by Alethea

Is church attendance dropping rapidly?

Have the spiritual leaders themselves caused the demise by being deceitful in some way?

Has the church become more focused on political agendas than spiritual upbuilding?

Is there too much dissention and division within the churches?

Is there an upline or outside interferrence causing the churches to crumble?

Do you think the major religions are in free fall?

If so, what do you think is the cause of it?

The government/eletes are orchestrating the fall of the churches. Often they do this unwittingly sometimes not. Prison Planet has done stories on the government sending letters telling ministers to councel their flocks to give up guns. As these ministers do as they are told, they are losing members.

Churches are dangerous places at this time. They can be used to spy on and brainwash people. With the economy crumbling more seedy characters will feel called to spread the faith. People of course will turn to God as they always do in times of hardship, but they can do this outside of a CIA controlled church.

Originally posted by Amagnon
I don't see any sign of it - every second person on these forums seems to claim to be a Christian and start getting all defensive for little reason.

I wish people would wake up to this centuries old fairy tale that is purely designed to control people.

If only someone would nuke the vatican - that would be a great start towards freeing the world - on the other hand, the information in its archives should be released to the world.

Odd, it seems to me that every other person on this forum are anti-religious (slight exaggeration, but not by much).

And for every individual who has an unexamined acceptance of the claims of Christianity, you have the reciprocal in poorly educated hate mongers who would espouse the nuking of the Vatican or other densely populated religious centers.

Eric

Originally posted by On the Edge
Christians have been murdered for not worshipping the Pope! Check history if you doubt it!

Can you please offer some substantiation for that claim?

Some neutral sources would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Eric

The sex scandals and attempted cover-up in the Catholic Church have grievously affected regular Church attendance.

It will take considerable time before those wounds are healed enough and enough time as passed before people return or new people become parishioners.

Eric

Im not sure where people get the idea about the "fall of churches" that is really a too broad of a statement to be taken serriously. What church?What religion? what services? where?
My guess is that any data collected is probably just reflecting the numbers of a small portion of "churches" that is to say it is probably just reflecting one religion. The church i attend is full up every weeknight and saturday morning.

Maybe the 21st century church and temple-synagogue attendance is down because the pre-literate, vicious, plague-loving, guilt-shaming, racist blood-sacrifice-licking, Amorite-genociding, sexist, xenophobic and inconsistent clan god of Israel (and the xenophobic zionist-racist, whips-and-cords, sword-wiedling, gentile-dog-calling-egocentric seditionist / Failed Daviddic Pretender called R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean (aka 'Jeeezuzz' by people too ignorant or lazy to learn Greek or Aramaic) still waiting for his 12 legions-of-angels to swoop down from heaven and save him from those pesky Romans--

are not cutting the kosher mustard any longer with the internet-generation of Goyim ('gentiles', you know, the ones that AREN'T CHOSEN !) who are finally on to the inance stupidity of Jewish and Christian's foolish and outdated nationalistic-zionist ideologies.

Maybe it's about time people in the West stopped worshipping middle eastern desert clan gods and Daviddic pretenders who have done nothing but cause hatred and intolerance against women and gentiles for the past 3,000 years--and started to honour our sacred planet that the 'sheeple' especially those persons who are sucked into believing pre-literate nonsense spouted by the (3) major monotheistic religions) seem not too concerned about...

Maybe it's time that people finally did wake up and realise that there IS NO ROOM for racist clan gods and 'chosen people' (or master races) and wannabe messiahs who are executed for armed sedition in the 21st century.

We today have ENOUGH troubles to deal with in this more than complex society we are currently finding ourselves living in, rather than to worry which side of the altar to spill ram's blood or which is the correct way to waive a sin offering, or whether or not armed Rabbi's living 2,000 years ago really should be able to stop a 21st century battered wife for initiating a divorce proceeding...



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To, EricD

www.reformation.org...

Read the Jesuit Extreme Oath.

And have you not heard of the Inquisition?

Churches are failing in some places because many followere are growing tired of the influence of modernism and moral relativsm.

Many churches today are not teaching the moral and social values which were taught just a generation before. People can recognize that what they are hearing from the pulpit is not the teaching of the Bible.

Preachers, peddling acceptance of the gay lifestyle, easy divorce and acceptance of socialist or even communist government are driving away their flocks in droves. Look at how scared the Anglican's are at the Vatican's easing the way for mass conversions.

Churches which hold to the biblical teachings on faith and morals ARE thriving. People have a craving for the TRUTH. Churches with orthodox teachings are thriving which can be seen by their standing room only attendance week after week.

We can't see it here in the U.S. because orthodox churches here are few and far in between.

Originally posted by Alethea

Is church attendance dropping rapidly?

Have the spiritual leaders themselves caused the demise by being deceitful in some way?

Has the church become more focused on political agendas than spiritual upbuilding?

Is there too much dissention and division within the churches?

Is there an upline or outside interferrence causing the churches to crumble?

Do you think the major religions are in free fall?

If so, what do you think is the cause of it?

Paul predicted a "...falling away..." 2 Thess 2:3

In the first three chapters of The Revelation 7 churches are outlined...
...they were seven literal churches in Asia Minor (modern Turkey)...
...only one the cities still exists.

The characteristics of the seven illustrate seven different types of Christians.

They also reflect the seven historical eras of Chritendom...
...and if they had been expressed in any other order they would not fit history as it has unfolded.

We are now in the era of the final church of the seven...Laodicea.
Laodicea is the only church where Jesus is depicted outside knocking to gain entry.

This is said of this final church...

"`I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot! 16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth. 17 For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing; not knowing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked. Revelation 3:15-17

While they think they are rich, they are poor, blind and naked...
...and it is recommended that they do the following.

"Therefore I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, that you may be rich, and white garments to clothe you and to keep the shame of your nakedness from being seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, that you may see." Revelation 3:15-18

The recommendations are all symbols of the Gospel...
...the Gospel is no longer the primary focus of the church...
...and yet is described as both the 'foolishness of God' and the 'Power of God'...
...the Gospel is foolishness to the lost...
...but it is the power of the church.

The church is responsible for its own downfall...
...by allowing itself to be destracted by every other issue.

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The Pope is known as what? The Holy Father. That's where the phrase came from and this is the only time it's used in the Bible.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

As for the phrase Holy Spirit, this represents Ninlil of Sumerian history, the wife of Enlil (The Bible's God and the real Satan). In the original hebrew version of the Bible it talks about her under the name of Ruwach in Genesis.

Original Hebrew
Genesis 1:1 The creation of the earth took place thousands of years before.
1:2 Now the earth had been devestated, and in waste; and the presence of death was in the deep. Ruwach of the Elohim hovered above the surface of the waters..

3:8 And they heard the voice of lord God walking in the garden with Ruwach that day.

Another fun fact, Simon Peter better known as Simon Magus was worshipped as a God after his death and possibly during his life. He was thought to be the reincarnation of Zeus (Enlil, The Bible's God and the real Satan)

When you really get down to it and find the codes in the Bible, it doesn't matter what religion you are. It's certainly interesting. Anyway, that's the little bit I know on the subject.

Originally posted by joshuacrumbaugh
Read the protocols of the elders of zion. You answer is in them.

Wasn't that a failed plan?

I hope you are kidding...

reply to post by Alethea

Is church attendance dropping rapidly?

Yes and no. In churches that are two either of the extremes, really liberal or ultra-fundie, attendence is dropping. The former gives people no reason to come and believe, while the later offends people and is really good at pushing people away.

In more middle churches, that don't focus on peripheral things and stick to spiritual things, they're growing and spreading.

Have the spiritual leaders themselves caused the demise by being deceitful in some way?

In some churches yes. These also are the churches whose attendence is dropping.

Has the church become more focused on political agendas than spiritual upbuilding?

Again, some have. Much to their detriment because they've forgotten their first love, taken their mind off of heavenly things, and are worrying too much about things that will one day perish.

Is there too much dissention and division within the churches?

Perhaps in the older, more fundamental people in Churches. From what I see, being a young aspiring pastor, us that are younger really want to bring more unity across the Christian church. Younger Christians see the danger in not cooperating with those who are of the same faith as you, but differ in non-essential points of doctrine. That's not to say that false and unbiblical doctrines are tolerated. But, I believe, as time goes on, you will see Christians finally start growing back together because the younger generations are worried more about the essential doctrine and concentrating in the shared mission and goal that all Christians have.

Is there an upline or outside interferrence causing the churches to crumble?

Yes and no. Those churches that are failing are falling due to man's sinful nature. But, this is being "influenced" by our adversaries pushing people to concentrate on the wrong things.

The short answer is the Supreme Being is. The time for the fake social religions is coming to a serious decline. Where it is merciful and necessary for people to remain in delusion they can have those practices but where they want real salvation they will see through the fakery.

Here's something to think about, not too long ago most people could not read or write and had only the priests words to go on. Once the common man started being taught how to read and write, well it was only a matter of time before they started studying the bible and religion overall on their own, and realized something just wasn't right...

Christianity, like it's sister Levant religions, is a business, a really BIG business. It rakes in billions of dollars every year and, in return delivers what? Salvation? Negatory, since it can't really prove there is actually something to be saved from. You don't really get to know whether you were actuallty saved by these conmen until after you're dead. Sweet deal cuz you can never squeal.

Spiritual depth and moral conviction? Nope. Every time you turn around there's yet another scandal concerning these guys and things like embezzlement, drug abuse, sexual promiscuity, sodomy, child pornography, and so on; and these allegations and revelations are only about national figures in the Christian world. Big time celebrities. One can only imagine the depths of the depravity that is going on at the local and regional levels, where the national media rarely goes. There are several churches out there today that are actually encouraging their flocks to pray that the President dies! Now there's a real moral stance!

A delusional role-playing game where the emphasis is firmly placed on "snob", and where the participants can revel in the notion that only they are privy to the correct interpretation of the Bible, and, therefore, special as hell in the eyes of Jesus/JHVH, (the all-powerful Space-Daddy's favorites) while the rest of us are contemptable degenerates who deserve to burn in hell. Bingo!! It's a game that encourages delusions of grandeur. You're not really a boring, fat ,balding accountant, on the contrary, you're a PRAYER WARRIOR!!!, a Christian superhero whose devotion to prayer daily saves the world from being totally overrun by Satan's wicked minions. It's really not a religion anymore so much as it is a club that offers a comforting fantasy of superiority and righteousness, complete with a supportive community of like-minded losers, to the vast sea of misfits and wanna-be's that span our country from coast to coast. It provides an oasis of assurance for all of those kids who were always picked last for the baseball teams. The ones who, instead of being thrilled by their developing sexuality, were embarrased by it instead. It is an Inside for Outsiders and it only costs you one tenth of your income to join! At first.

So, finally, to answer the original question; is Christianity somehow fading? I sincerely doubt it. In my opinion the only reason that it did not follow say, Mithraism, into the void of discarded faiths is because it has always been a proven fund-raiser since it became the official religion of the Roman Empire, just before the old civilization collapsed. It makes money, lots and lots of it, and therefore, it will not go away until people stop paying for a support group to back them up while they pretend to be that special person they really never have been.

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