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Hadley CRU hacked with release of hundreds of docs and emails

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posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:08 PM
reply to post by Stormdancer777

The cat is outta the bag hell! This is the cat and a HUGE litter of kittens!

I am seeing more and more media picking it up, anyone seen any MSM yet?

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:13 PM
A bit late, but from the warmist/alarmist side, here is the response from RealClimate blog to the leak occurred (among its authors, Gavin Schmidt, Michael E. Mann, etc. whose messages have appeared in the leak):

The CRU hack

As many of you will be aware, a large number of emails from the University of East Anglia webmail server were hacked recently (Despite some confusion generated by Anthony Watts, this has absolutely nothing to do with the Hadley Centre which is a completely separate institution). As people are also no doubt aware the breaking into of computers and releasing private information is illegal, and regardless of how they were obtained, posting private correspondence without permission is unethical. We therefore aren’t going to post any of the emails here. We were made aware of the existence of this archive last Tuesday morning when the hackers attempted to upload it to RealClimate, and we notified CRU of their possible security breach later that day.

Nonetheless, these emails (a presumably careful selection of (possibly edited?) correspondence dating back to 1996 and as recently as Nov 12) are being widely circulated, and therefore require some comment. Some of them involve people here (and the archive includes the first RealClimate email we ever sent out to colleagues) and include discussions we’ve had with the CRU folk on topics related to the surface temperature record and some paleo-related issues, mainly to ensure that posting were accurate.

Since emails are normally intended to be private, people writing them are, shall we say, somewhat freer in expressing themselves than they would in a public statement. For instance, we are sure it comes as no shock to know that many scientists do not hold Steve McIntyre in high regard. Nor that a large group of them thought that the Soon and Baliunas (2003), Douglass et al (2008) or McClean et al (2009) papers were not very good (to say the least) and should not have been published. These sentiments have been made abundantly clear in the literature (though possibly less bluntly).

More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the hackers also being in on the plot though.

Instead, there is a peek into how scientists actually interact and the conflicts show that the community is a far cry from the monolith that is sometimes imagined. People working constructively to improve joint publications; scientists who are friendly and agree on many of the big picture issues, disagreeing at times about details and engaging in ‘robust’ discussions; Scientists expressing frustration at the misrepresentation of their work in politicized arenas and complaining when media reports get it wrong; Scientists resenting the time they have to take out of their research to deal with over-hyped nonsense. None of this should be shocking.

It’s obvious that the noise-generating components of the blogosphere will generate a lot of noise about this. but it’s important to remember that science doesn’t work because people are polite at all times. Gravity isn’t a useful theory because Newton was a nice person. QED isn’t powerful because Feynman was respectful of other people around him. Science works because different groups go about trying to find the best approximations of the truth, and are generally very competitive about that. That the same scientists can still all agree on the wording of an IPCC chapter for instance is thus even more remarkable.

No doubt, instances of cherry-picked and poorly-worded “gotcha” phrases will be pulled out of context. One example is worth mentioning quickly. Phil Jones in discussing the presentation of temperature reconstructions stated that “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” The paper in question is the Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998) Nature paper on the original multiproxy temperature reconstruction, and the ‘trick’ is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term “trick” to refer to a “a good way to deal with a problem”, rather than something that is “secret”, and so there is nothing problematic in this at all. As for the ‘decline’, it is well known that Keith Briffa’s maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the “divergence problem”–see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while ‘hiding’ is probably a poor choice of words (since it is ‘hidden’ in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.

The timing of this particular episode is probably not coincidental. But if cherry-picked out-of-context phrases from stolen personal emails is the only response to the weight of the scientific evidence for the human influence on climate change, then there probably isn’t much to it.

There are of course lessons to be learned. Clearly no-one would have gone to this trouble if the academic object of study was the mating habits of European butterflies. That community’s internal discussions are probably safe from the public eye. But it is important to remember that emails do seem to exist forever, and that there is always a chance that they will be inadvertently released. Most people do not act as if this is true, but they probably should.

It is tempting to point fingers and declare that people should not have been so open with their thoughts, but who amongst us would really be happy to have all of their email made public?

Let he who is without PIN cast the the first stone.

The source

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Gamma MO
If I hear one more person say "I don't care what the truth is, I just want to save the planet" one more time, I'm going to scream!

You are living in a fairy tale land if you honestly think wasting billions and billions of dollars on silly non-proven ponzi schemes such as pouring millions of tons of concrete in the ground and erecting huge steel symbolic twirly gigs (wind turbines) is really going to change the planet's climate one iota.

You are essentially saying "I don't want to think, I want to follow ... cause I get a nice warm fuzzy green feeling inside".

THIS is the problem with humanity. The sheep were ready for a new religion to come along to cast out their sins and make them feel noble and good.

have you seen mexico city while immersed in smog?, have you seen beijing when it is immersed in smog?, have you seen mt. kilmenjaro disapperance of snow and ice?, have you heard about the melting of the artic?. have you seen or heard about the growing expanse of the gobi desert?, have you heard or seen the growing expanse of the sahara desert?, have you seen or heard about the dying reefs in the pacific from the warmer water? have you seen or heard about the rising levels of the ocean around tuvalu islands, the marshall islands, cook, fiji, kiribati, vanuatu, soloman islands? the rapid melting of the himalayan glaciers?
thousands of coal burning power plants in the US, china, india russia, sending into the air sulfur dioxide, and co2, with thousands more on the way. problem...all of it is a's just nature.

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:21 PM
More from the Examiner:

CRU director admits hacked files genuine

In the most serious admission yet in the developing story of the hacking of the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit, its director now admits that the content of the hacked files is in fact genuine and did indeed come from his organization.

Dr. Phil Jones stated in an interview with Ian Wishart of Investigate magazine that he had known about the hack for the past three or four days. He had not called the police because he had not known which files were compromised.

He further confirmed to Wishart that his organization had changed all e-mail and file-sharing passwords, and had acted so hastily that Jones himself was briefly unable to access his own e-mail account.

When asked to explain the most damaging statement attributed to him thus far, about "using Mike's nature hide the decline," Jones said this:

No, that’s completely wrong. In the sense that they’re talking about two different things here. They’re talking about the instrumental data which is unaltered – but they’re talking about proxy data going further back in time, a thousand years, and it’s just about how you add on the last few years, because when you get proxy data you sample things like tree rings and ice cores, and they don’t always have the last few years. So one way is to add on the instrumental data for the last few years.

Jones also protested that this was an e-mail he had sent ten years ago.

In a separate blog post, Mr. Wishart quoted an e-mail in which Jones declares his intention to influence a board of peer reviewers to keep an article questioning the anthropogenic global warming (AGW) consensus from being published. The letter is from Phil Jones to Michael Mann, dated July 8, 2004:

The other paper by MM is just garbage - as you knew. De Freitas again. Pielke is also losing all credibility as well by replying to the mad Finn as well - frequently as I see it. I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is ! [sic]



The "De Freitas" referred to is presumably Chris de Freitas of the University of Auckland in New Zealand and a known AGW skeptic. For example, in May of 2009, Dr. De Freitas said this:

Predictions of future climate are usually based on global climate models. Up until now, these models have failed to consider variable energy from the Sun. The significance of this cannot be overstated as the Sun is the only source of energy to power Earth's climate, so all global climate change is directly or indirectly linked to it.

If this is a sample of Dr. De Freitas' commentary, then how Dr. Jones thought he would have sufficient grounds to deny Dr. De Freitas publication in a peer-reviewed report is far from clear.

The "Kevin" could be Kevin Trenberth of the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research. His name appears in about five other e-mails that also mention de Freitas' name, usually in a derogatory manner.

Dr. De Freitas is far from being the only target of the often scathing and dismissive comments in the e-mails received. Stephen McIntyre of the Climate Audit site is an object of frequent scorn.

The hacked archive is no longer available at its original source. It is, however, available at two other file-sharing services: MegaUpload and FileDropper.

Source here

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:22 PM
Is the RealClimate blog writer insane?


So all that was said between these globalist academics was just banter, or even a joke and we should all disregard it and get ready to pay our daily green-taxes?

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:23 PM
reply to post by m khan

Being responsible in your opinion I hope doesn't mean bankrupting the country. These jerks have created a hoax that they plan to bankrupt us with.

Exactly, can you say Soros?

Reading through these emails is amazing

I found this one interesting

rom: Keiller, Donald

Sent: 02 October 2009 10:34

To: '[email protected]'

Cc: '[email protected]'

Subject: Yamal and paleoclimatology

Dear Professor Briffa, my apologies for contacting you directly, particularly

since I hear that you are unwell.

However the recent release of tree ring data by CRU has prompted much

discussion and indeed disquiet about the methodology and conclusions of a

number of key papers by you and co-workers.

As an environmental plant physiologist, I have followed the long debate

starting with Mann et al (1998) and through to Kaufman et al (2009).

As time has progressed I have found myself more concerned with the whole

scientific basis of dendroclimatology. In particular;

1) The appropriateness of the statistical analyses employed

2) The reliance on the same small datasets in these multiple studies

3) The concept of "teleconnection" by which certain trees respond to the

"Global Temperature Field", rather than local climate

4) The assumption that tree ring width and density are related to temperature

in a linear manner.

Whilst I would not describe myself as an expert statistician, I do use

inferential statistics routinely for both research and teaching and find

difficulty in understanding the statistical rationale in these papers.

As a plant physiologist I can say without hesitation that points 3 and 4 do

not agree with the accepted science.

There is a saying that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".

Given the scientific, political and economic importance of these papers,

further detailed explanation is urgently required.

Yours sincerely,

Dr. Don Keiller.

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:25 PM
You know, I just had a thought. And yes, it hurt a little.

So here are some what if's...

What if Obama took a "paycheck" to China? This hacking happened "3 or 4 days ago". Everyone knows China has the best hackers, they are even rumored to be government employed as a military tactic in future event of war.


What if he took a "paycheck"... and a Chinese hacker did this, uploading it to a Russian server. (Can you say

Obama renounced his stance on Global Warming, pointing to the deficit as a reason. Even when that happened, I pondered, "NOW he is worried about money?! WTH?!"

So, what if...

This was planned as a "Convenient Truth" to get him out of the Copenhagen dealy? Along with a few other nations? Obama sure has been a busy travelin' man.

And what if... this was a weapon of mass distraction over the Senate healthcare vote this weekend, on a Saturday night at 8pm?!

Who doesn't know the news bmobs hit on Friday?

Why was this withheld for the 4 days?

Why did Hadley not get the police involved until today?

Hm. You wanted conspiracy!

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:29 PM
Amazing what hackers can do these days!

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:30 PM
Keep digging guys, beneath the scientists talking casually about stuff there must be an e-mail from Gore with the details of a Swiss bank account.


This should be a funny few days. Noise>signal

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:35 PM

‘hiding’ is probably a poor choice of words (since it is ‘hidden’ in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.

That does seem plausible.

Whilst I disagree with the choice of words for the supposedly incriminating email for this, and the apparent attitude of trying to fit data around defined requirements, and also stating this means their methods of taking readings must be "inadequate" - sounds plain wrong - the context is almost non-existant in every email.

These leaked emails can be manufactured into a conspiracy, or they can be taken face-value and accepted to be something mundane - such as readings that are selected for a paper.

Without any real evidence to back up the conspiracy, it seems logical to accept the mundane.

Scientists, just like ordinary people will sometimes make a bad choice of words, and may refer to something vaguely - often because the receiver of the email may understand without a complete explanation. It much more likely the emails are referring to specific events, ideas etc for a figure or graph for a scientific paper. Although appearing to describe a generalised form of deception, as with an undefined context, the meaning of those words can mean whatever you desire it to mean - should your mind fantasize or jump to conclusions.

I do wonder about the request for colleagues to delete their emails though. Maybe they were discussing the blonde they met in the pub last night, and didn't want his wife to find out after the FOI release. My point being - we should all look for more plausible explanations, rather than creating a conspiracy every time. I admit, I wanted it to be true, because it was exciting, and I would prefer man-made global warming to go away - but unfortunately it's not likely to disappear anytime soon!

[edit on 20-11-2009 by john124]

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:36 PM
This news is starting to spread out to MSM news sites. For example the Register:

Wrecking CRU: hackers cause massive climate data breach

Secretive scientists' source code goes walkabout
By Andrew Orlowski • Get more from this author
Posted in Environment, 20th November 2009 16:51 GMT

The University of East Anglia has confirmed that a data breach has put a large quantity of emails and other documents from staff at its Climate Research Unit online. CRU is one of the three leading climate research centres in the UK, and a globally acknowledged authority on temperature reconstructions.

CRU declined to say whether it would attempt to halt the data breach. In a statement a spokesman told us:

We are aware that information from a server used for research information in one area of the university has been made available on public websites. Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm that all of this material is genuine.

A 61MB ZIP file was posted on a Russian FTP server late last night, local time. It contains over a thousand emails, and around three thousand other items including source code and data files. Emails are peppered with disparaging remarks and a crude cartoon of sceptical scientists is also included in the archive - suggesting the hacker roamed wide across the University's servers.

A spokesman confirmed there had been a hack, and that staff documents had been published, but declined to say whether the University would be seeking to halt further dissemination of the data.

This information has been obtained and published without our permission and we took immediate action to remove the server in question from operation. We are undertaking a thorough internal investigation and we have involved the police in this enquiry.

CRU has been the centre of controversy for its roles in creating global temperature reconstructions, and maintaining the archive of temperature data. Recent temperature reconstructions characterise post 1980 temperatures as unprecedentedly warm, and downplay historical periods of warm weather. This is the so called "Hockey Stick" controversy, and many (but far from all) of these reconstructions involve key CRU staff.

In August, Phil Jones admitted CRU had failed to keep the raw data, which would permit outside parties to create their own temperature reconstructions. More recently, CRU dendroclimatologist Keith Briffa defended his sampling methodology which saw the inclusion of one tree core from the Yamal Peninsula create a Hockey Stick shaped graph, dubbed the "hottest tree in the world".

The documents also appear to highlight a chummy relationship between sympathetic journalists - particularly the New York Times Andrew Revkin - and activist scientists.

They're being discussed at Steve McIntyre's Climate Audit here - but there's no reaction yet at the blog frequented by the participants of "Hockey Team", as they have styled themselves, RealClimate.

It would be premature to comment further on the contents of the archive without establishing its authenticity. Some emails contain curious idioms and spelling - but perhaps that's what years of dendroclimatology do to the brain.

From NPR:

Climate Skeptics Pounce On E-Mails Hackers Got From U.K. Scientists' Files

By Mark Memmott

There's a storm brewing on the Web over e-mails that hackers got hold of in which some scientists at one of the world's leading research centers say things such as the need to "hide the decline" in data about temperatures. Skeptics who have doubts about whether humans are contributing to global warming are pouncing on the revelations.

As The Wall Street Journal's Environmental Capital blog says, "this should get interesting."

The Guardian lays out much of the story here. It writes that:

Hundreds of private emails and documents allegedly exchanged between some of the world's leading climate scientists over the past 13 years have been stolen by hackers and leaked online. The computer files were apparently accessed earlier this week from servers at the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, a world-renowned centre focused on the study of natural and anthropogenic climate change.

Australia's Investigate magazine reports here that Phil Jones, head of the Climate Research Unit, says that he does not remember exactly what he meant 10 years ago when he wrote in an e-mail about the need to "hide the decline." He argues, though, that he was not trying to mislead anyone, but rather had likely been discussing how to add "instrumental data" from recent years to "proxy data, going back further in time, a thousand years."

It was apparently a blog called The Air Vent that first broke the news.

The BBC suspects it's no coincidence that the e-mails surfaced shortly before the December climate summit in Copenhagen.

Ed Morrissey at the conservative Hot Air wonders:

Do scientists use data to test theories, or do they use theories to test data? Scientists will claim the former, but here we have scientists who cling to the theory so tightly that they reject the data. That's not science; it's religious belief.


Top climate change body hit by hackers

By Jack Clark.

One of the world's premier institutions for the study of climate change has had its email systems hacked, has learned.

The University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU) has seen data and personal emails posted online.

Its director told that "some" of the data was genuine.

"The person that hacked in took the files and put them in there. These are emails that have been taken from our backup server," Phil Jones said.

The files total 62 megabytes of data and contain personal correspondence between key climate change players, including Mr Jones himself. The Air Vent blog broke the discovery of the files last night.

A spokesperson for the University of East Anglia said: "This information has been obtained and published without our permission and we took immediate action to remove the server in question from operation. We are undertaking a thorough internal investigation and we have involved the police in this enquiry."

Climate-change sceptic Steven McIntyre, who features in some of the emails, has already posted a statement on website saying "there are a few emails of mine that are 100 per cent genuine".

Speaking exclusively to Mr Jones confirmed that some of the data is legitimate and genuine: "Some is, yes. We haven't checked it all."

He explained that the team at the CRU are now "going to try and do our work and ignore it as best we can".

The data has been removed from the Russian-hosted website on which it first appeared, and is now circulating the torrent networks.

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:37 PM
reply to post by john124

It doesn't do a thing to explain the discussions on refusing FOI requests, and even stating willingness to delete data rather than to release it.

They knew they would get busted.

[edit on 20-11-2009 by Libertygal]

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:37 PM
Wall Street Journal (blog) covering it now...

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:50 PM
reply to post by jimmyx

Are you retarded? I've been a fierce environmentalist all my life. Why do you cult members always make the jump that if someone doesn't buy into all the corporate-driven hype that they "hate the planet". Very myopic, simpleton thinking.

Yes, the world is very polluted. Yes, we've made a mess of it. So, let's get back to basics and start stopping the pollution such as heavy metals, toxic chemicals and loss of habitat!

Instead, you're all running around scared silly from this "CO2" monster that you happen to be breathing out of your nose right now.

Separate the wheat from the chaff, my friend. AGW is a giant ponzi scam. The environmental movement has been perverted by greed, misinformation, scare tactics and money...big money.

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:51 PM

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

found this on another forum

These need to be posted here before they disappear.

[edit on 113030p://bFriday2009 by Stormdancer777]

These WON'T be disappearing ever... They are on web sites, torrents and soon, news groups.

You have nothing to worry about... these files are spreading like wild fire.

Rockefeller was right... the internet is dangerous! To them and others that would control free speech. Even if there's buckets of crap out there on the internet; few jewels as these docs will give World Government pause and wish that they had installed that Internet OFF Switch sooner.

Oh wait ... Net Neutrality... there are just so many issues to be focused upon!
No rest for the wicked?

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:51 PM
Hello Hello Hello,

Thought I'd create an account, as I actually go to this University (though I'm studying abroad this year). I've no idea if this is genuine, and I'm not a science major so I've no idea about the details of research that is carried out at uea. What has lead me to believe that there is at least a grain of truth in this though is that the uea climatic research unit website ( states "This website is currently being served from the CRU Emergency Webserver.
Some pages may be out of date. Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible". Coupled with the seemingly official statements that have been issued about the system being hacked, and the fact that at least some of the email addresses that are censored certainly have the right amount of characters to be genuine uea addresses, suggests to me that this might actually be significant.

Even if it is though, what do we take from it?
For what reason do we think that, if there is a manipulation of data, results are being altered?

EDIT: Also just received this email on my uni account,

"We are aware that information from a server used for research information in one
area of the university has been made available on public websites.

As a precaution we are recommending that all users of the University's IT systems
change their log-in password using the following procedures:-"

- something has definately happened.

[edit on 20-11-2009 by WetEugene]

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 12:59 PM
Not sure if this is within the TOS, but to those looking for an alternative to using a torrent:

Megaupload Link

It has successfully passed a Nod32 scan for virii as well.

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 01:06 PM
Great Job on posting this!!

Everyone needs to email their elected representatives and demand that the US not participate in the Copenhagen treaty, which is damaging to both the US economy and sovereignty. Do it ASAP, we do have a voice if we use it.

Also email all of your family and friends with this vital information. MSM may not cover this, but we can. We are all capable of gathering, spreading information and education. Some people only want to believe what they see on MSM but little by little, when they see other information like this, and realize how much that they have been lied to they begin to awaken.

There has been much evidence that global warming is a farce and fraud, but now it is coming from directly horse’s mouth that promoted the fraud. There can no longer be any doubt.

Weaving spiders come not here…right back at ya.

[edit on 20-11-2009 by ofthepeople]

posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Libertygal
reply to post by john124

It doesn't do a thing to explain the discussions on refusing FOI requests, and even stating willingness to delete data rather than to release it.

They knew they would get busted.

[edit on 20-11-2009 by Libertygal]

Think about it for a while, and you realise there's all sorts of reasons why a FOI could be delayed. Are we all fully knowledgable on the inner workings of a climate scientist's work schedule? I'm confident there's mundane explanations for all of the emails, and there's always the slight possibility that they are covering their backs with plausible explanations. But even if not, they can hardly prove 100% that they're telling the truth, as some will always claim a cover-up. That's where the sarcasm in the press release came from - over people eventually claiming the hackers are in on it.

Either we accept the mundane explanations, and respect people's privacy's a little more, and realise that we aren't going to ever get 100% proof that every email refers to something mundane, or we can believe in conspiracies instead.

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