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Originally posted by Valeri
excuse of not to prove what exactly? How can you prove something that has not occured yet?
Originally posted by pplrnuts
I read of all this passionate, intense, inner-soul, postings of this 2012 theory of events, but yet I see not a single indication of action to be taken on behalf of the theorists to prove themselves. These are some WILD speculations going on here, but so many excuses not to prove what you speak.
Listen,nobody is forcing you to believe anything, in fact all the competent sources say NOT TO blindly believe and to doubt. Because if you just buy anything you are told, then you don't learn anything, you don't find any truth yourself.
It is YOUR job to make up your own mind and look within and realize what is truth for you, or is there nothing you consider inner truth and personal knowledge? Fact being, we all have that inner knowing and if you can't reach it(whatever that truth may be for you),then may I suggest seriously starting to work on that, on finding your inner knowledge that we all possess.
Originally posted by defcon5
Being a skeptic I am surprise to see how many on here think nothing is going to happen in 2012. Personally though, I am actually going to be on the other side of the fence for once. There have obviously been major cataclysms in the past, and they have been recorded by many cultures who grew up independently of each other. There is also a growing list of odd occurrences which all seem to culminate in that year. Being a Catastrophist myself, I have a feeling that there may yet be something to this 2012 thing. It may not happen exactly on December 21, 2012, but it will fall around that period of time. I find it funny the things that I have seen change in this world in the last 10 years, things that if my father were still alive, he would never have believed could have happened. I see these things speeding up, and the governments not even making an attempt at hiding stuff that would have scared the crap out of society only 20 years ago.
If it does not occur in 2012, something is still coming, and its coming rapidly IMHO.
put that in the contract then, all of it,because you can't really sum it up any shorter, the information of different possibilities would be lost.
Originally posted by Valeri
Will Ascending Entities Suddenly Disappear?
Question: Will entities ascending suddenly disappear from us, leaving family and friends wondering what happened to the departed? Or will those planning to ascend inform their relatives of their intent before that, so that the shock and confusion will not result? The family would not even have access to the departed physical body for burial since it has been stated that the physical body will ascend.
Cosmic Awareness: This is a question and derivations of this question that have intrigued many and many have wondered of this. The Interpreter himself has wondered of this. How will this happen? What will happen? Will the individuals simply disappear in front of someone else who is standing there? Will they die, even necessitating the need for a funeral? Or will they simply be forgotten, as if they never existed?
A Process of Forgetting Will Start to Take Place
This Awareness states that all three are somewhat relevant and possible, but that by far, what will occur is the latter. Due to the changing frequencies and vibrations of consciousness, that which was once known or held will no longer be known or held, and thus a process of forgetting will start to take place more and more. This will be toward those individuals who no longer share that reality with those who have stayed behind versus those who have moved forward. Thus, for individuals staying on Planet B with the slowing down of frequency, that which accelerates forward will no longer be known or experienced.
Those individuals who accelerate their vibrations and frequencies, who have moved to those higher planes, will simply no longer exist, even in the memories of those individuals who once knew them. They will simply cease to be part of their lives on any level: past, present or future. It is as if they never existed. Those individuals who have stayed on the denser planet and chosen to go forward in that spiritual evolutionary process will not feel sadness, regret or sorrow for those who have disappeared from their lifetime. In fact, they will be very hard pressed to even remember that those individuals were part of that process. Thus it will be that those who have moved on will simply no longer be part on any level of their lives
The Scenario For Those Who Ascend on Planet A
For those who are part of the Ascension process, a slightly different scenario will occur. Some will have an acute understanding and awareness of what is occurring for there will be those who are advanced in the process themselves who, because of their nature and their roles and their purpose, have been working with the Ascension process more consciously than some others.
For those who are aware of what is occurring(I think I am/will be),there may indeed occur events where those who are not moving forward will truly disappear in front of their eyes, but they will know why this is occurring and they will understand that what is occurring is that those who cannot hold the frequency and vibration and advance, that vibration and frequency will indeed begin to slow down until they simply disappear. There will be an acceleration as the event draws nearer, and that acceleration will cause the accelerated vibrational rate.
The two streams of consciousness that will exemplify Planet A or Planet B will become solidified. The interface this Awareness spoke of will then cease to be and the two will simply no longer interface with one another. Those who nave slowed down will simply no longer be part of the reality that is experienced by those who have accelerated themselves, as is the case for those who are in the slower reality towards those who have accelerated themselves. They simply will not be part of that reality any longer.
[edit on 11/23/2009 by Valeri]
Originally posted by Valeri
reply to post by xelamental
same back at ya my friend. You said in your OP, that you will specifiy the sum yourself and if nothing happens(or rather,if what I say doesn't happen) then I will have to pay back 20 times that amount. those are the conditions.
I have told you what I believe to be true, you asked a question and I took time to answer it thoroughly, what exactly is it that you want from me?
The answer to your question is here:
put that in the contract then, all of it,because you can't really sum it up any shorter, the information of different possibilities would be lost.
Originally posted by Valeri
Will Ascending Entities Suddenly Disappear?
Question: Will entities ascending suddenly disappear from us, leaving family and friends wondering what happened to the departed? Or will those planning to ascend inform their relatives of their intent before that, so that the shock and confusion will not result? The family would not even have access to the departed physical body for burial since it has been stated that the physical body will ascend.
Cosmic Awareness: This is a question and derivations of this question that have intrigued many and many have wondered of this. The Interpreter himself has wondered of this. How will this happen? What will happen? Will the individuals simply disappear in front of someone else who is standing there? Will they die, even necessitating the need for a funeral? Or will they simply be forgotten, as if they never existed?
A Process of Forgetting Will Start to Take Place
This Awareness states that all three are somewhat relevant and possible, but that by far, what will occur is the latter. Due to the changing frequencies and vibrations of consciousness, that which was once known or held will no longer be known or held, and thus a process of forgetting will start to take place more and more. This will be toward those individuals who no longer share that reality with those who have stayed behind versus those who have moved forward. Thus, for individuals staying on Planet B with the slowing down of frequency, that which accelerates forward will no longer be known or experienced.
Those individuals who accelerate their vibrations and frequencies, who have moved to those higher planes, will simply no longer exist, even in the memories of those individuals who once knew them. They will simply cease to be part of their lives on any level: past, present or future. It is as if they never existed. Those individuals who have stayed on the denser planet and chosen to go forward in that spiritual evolutionary process will not feel sadness, regret or sorrow for those who have disappeared from their lifetime. In fact, they will be very hard pressed to even remember that those individuals were part of that process. Thus it will be that those who have moved on will simply no longer be part on any level of their lives
The Scenario For Those Who Ascend on Planet A
For those who are part of the Ascension process, a slightly different scenario will occur. Some will have an acute understanding and awareness of what is occurring for there will be those who are advanced in the process themselves who, because of their nature and their roles and their purpose, have been working with the Ascension process more consciously than some others.
For those who are aware of what is occurring(I think I am/will be),there may indeed occur events where those who are not moving forward will truly disappear in front of their eyes, but they will know why this is occurring and they will understand that what is occurring is that those who cannot hold the frequency and vibration and advance, that vibration and frequency will indeed begin to slow down until they simply disappear. There will be an acceleration as the event draws nearer, and that acceleration will cause the accelerated vibrational rate.
The two streams of consciousness that will exemplify Planet A or Planet B will become solidified. The interface this Awareness spoke of will then cease to be and the two will simply no longer interface with one another. Those who nave slowed down will simply no longer be part of the reality that is experienced by those who have accelerated themselves, as is the case for those who are in the slower reality towards those who have accelerated themselves. They simply will not be part of that reality any longer.
[edit on 11/23/2009 by Valeri]
These few paragraphs involve all the possibilities, you will forget all of those who have ascended, OR will see some of those people die beforehand in the physical body, OR(the unlikeliest,because this will probably only occur for those ascending,those who are aware of what will be going on and will realize that they are ascending) see peopel dissapear in from of their own eyes(because the vibrational frequency will be changing)
So yeah, you can also add the other possible "proofs" that you so want from me when this event will occur(its actually a process,not a one-day thing,but I'll call it event for simplicities sake),the "proofs" I provided in my first post I think, where there was 4 variants if I remember correctly.
Originally posted by Valeri
reply to post by xelamental
Who said I KNOW the future?
I said I feel deeply ,call it intuition coupled with some competent sources that resonate with my being.
The bet is about whether what I think will happen, will either happen or not.
If it wont,Ill have to pay you 20x the money you give me.simpel as that.
You wanted to put my ass on the line,and I am ready and willing to do just that.but not with the bogus u just said.
why from 2000 until 2011? We spoke of dec 21. 2012. And how is it logical to put the years 2000-2009 in there? those have already passed and nothing of that sort happened or was supposed to happen.
If you are serious about that contract I woudl ask you to put those paragraphs from my last post into that contract.
I wont give a number either,because you seem to ignore what I said whe ni said SOME might die as a way to ascension and those deaths may be perceived by those not ascending,
however mostly those ascending will be completely forgotten by thsoe not ascending as if they were never part of their lives. The ascended peope lwil lsimply start vibrating on another level aka frequency. So they wotn DIE in their bodies,they will start vibrating on another consciousness level and so will nto be perceived any longer by those left. So yes, anywhere from 0,5 to 1...2,maybe even more bn peopel will not be sensed anymore in this world,on this level of consciousness. They will vibrate with their bodies going along, not dying,however a few/some may die.
And 20K is fien with me,if you are willing to give it to me,if oyu are willing to give 100K that is okay too, it is your money,your choise.my end of the deal is to give you 20x more back if nothing happens by dec 21. 2012.
but if you put bogus stuff into the contract such as the 2000-2011 thing,then obviously I wotn agree to it,because I have talked about dec. 21. 2012. Also, not 500mln DIEiNG,please read what i wrote, NOT SENSED,dissapearing...which is not dying.
And it may be anywhere from 500mln to 1, maybe 2,maybe even more bn people, I cant possibly no the number,but I think 500mln will be the very least.
[edit on 11/26/2009 by Valeri]
Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
reply to post by xelamental
I accept your bet. $3,000 paid to me, each Xmas until 2013, then to you, forever after.
The 'event' is simple: we will be in a position that I will be unable to pay you and you will be unable to accept (if I am wrong, obviously you get paid) - That is to say, IMHO, SOMEthing will happen by then, that will either make monetary transactions - even with a V-chip - between individuals unnecessary (FEMA camps ha ha) or impossible (new form of 'debt' / not here anymore)
Draw up the contract, and fax it over. (PM me for contact info)
Originally posted by expedionphi
Hey,
I'll do a bet . Give me an e-mail and we'll set up our bet ok?
Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
reply to post by xelamental
So, you're saying you threw the gauntlet down, and are now crawfishing out of the proposal, since it's been called?
Or, is the amount too much?
I'm completely serious - thought that came through in my posts.