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The Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act of 2009: Attn: Smokers

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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 01:57 AM

ALL CUSTOMERS: PLEASE READ!!! The Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act of 2009 ("PACT Act") (S.1147) is scheduled for consideration by the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday, November 5th. This legislation contains, among other bad ideas, a provision which would make ALL cigarettes, RYO and smokeless tobacco products nonmailable. This bill has already been passed by the House, and if approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee, could be sent to the full Senate floor for a vote at any time!

By making all cigarettes, RYO and smokeless tobacco products nonmailable, this law means you will no longer be able to purchase these products by mail-order, telephone order, or on the Internet, because the United States Postal Service, along with UPS, Fed-Ex and all other carriers will be prohibited by law from delivering your orders to you. Taking away your options means forcing you back to buying over-priced tobacco products from your local retailer.

Well...........this isn't good! We are losing the option to purchase tobacco online.
So many laws for tobacco smokers! Holy crap! The place I normally buy from can no longer ship tobacco to my state. Evidentally, there is a law that I was unaware of that says unless the company I buy from is part of a Master Settlement Agreement, I am not allowed to buy tobacco from them and they cannot ship it to my state. Last week I knew of two states who had this, Michigan and Montana.

Now, this new bill that probably will pass means that no one will be able to buy tobacco products through the mail. I think that this means a lot of smokers will be driving to states to buy cheaper tobacco, but then there's a limit to how much tobacco you can bring across state lines. (another tobacco law)

It just keeps getting worse. I wonder how soon it will be before there's a law telling me how many cigarettes per day I'm allowed to smoke?

***Don't click on the link that CARMS posted. I did, and it's a reported attack site.

[edit on 14-11-2009 by virraszto]

[edit on 14-11-2009 by virraszto]

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 01:58 AM


posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 02:01 AM
Hey, don't click on that link that CARM posted. It says its a reported attack site. I'm going to have mods check this out.

[edit on 14-11-2009 by virraszto]

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 02:02 AM
reply to post by virraszto

well if this unconstitutional health care bill passes, not only will u be forced(illegally) to buy the gov's health coverage, it will be only a matter of time before they dictate(yes, dictate) what can and cannot be put into your body, as anything u consume could increase costs. so what i predict is randomized weekly drug/alcohol/tobacco testing and if your positive for ANY, you will probably be thrown in prison for costing the state more money...gotta love socialists like obama...

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 02:22 AM

I think that this means a lot of smokers will be driving to states to buy cheaper tobacco, but then there's a limit to how much tobacco you can bring across state lines.

You are joking aren't you.

For the last 50 years calif has been trying to stop people from bring in illegal fireworks from other states.

Has it worked no. there are too many dirt roads between Calif and Nevada for the state to ever put up a checkpoint on.

Hell they can not stop illegal drug from entering the state.

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 02:25 AM
reply to post by ANNED

not that they would want to, but apparently they can't stop cali from keeping it's largest grossing cash crop(marijuana) from being grown inside its OWN state!!!
estimated at $14 Billion a yr! imagine the taxes that could be taken if legal

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 02:28 AM
reply to post by ANNED

I was just trying to point out that there's yet another tobacco law. I guess I didn't make the point very well.
Of course people are going to get it anyway they can. I am lucky in that I live on the state line and I buy mine the next state over now, and much cheaper.

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 03:31 AM
Well, ya see, Native Americans sell smoke to people via the internet, minus the outrageous taxes, using the mail, etc. Can't have that. Gotta keep the Red Brother down.
I jest, but, not. Gotta keep everybody down. Can't have anybody having any sort of satisfaction or fun. No Pot. No alcohol, in some places. No tobacco. No pain pills via internet through deliveries from FedEx or UPS. NO FUN!

You will be miserable and love it!

I listened to a radio show on Saturday mornings a couple of years ago, a local AM show. The host was a multiple candidate for various offices of state government positions. He's basically considered a crazy loon. He's not IMHO. The host said one show that marijuana was a great substance for people who were dying from some diseases, and could be cured from other diseases, The guest said that it was ridiculous to let people smoke pot, because it "made them feel good" when they were dying? WTF??? It altered reality. Uh, I am in my studio at the time of this typing, uh, if I walk outside the door of my studio, haven't I entered an alternative reality, no matter if it's physical or mental?

Come on! Let adults alone! I don't need no daddy. I had one and he didn't do a very good job. Or did he? Meanwhile, I don't need no daddy!! If I do need a daddy in anyone's opinion, would you please come change my dirty drawers?
Heh, and give me a tit to suck on?

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:44 AM
You'll just be catching up with the rest of the world

The same thing happened here about 10 years ago and the reason: state and federal taxes don't get paid. I'd think the US govt right now will be looking to collect as much tax as possible for a decade or 2 in order to recover from the present financial kerfuffle.

Here in Oz there was a roaring trade in mail order 'chop-chop' tobacco prior to the clampdown. It was called chop-chop because it was harvested secretly and roughly chopped generally by hand and was sold by the kilogram. It was cheap, crap quality and you had to roll your own but cheapness always wins.

Don't mess with the tax office (or IRS or whatever you call yours)

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:07 AM
I don't smoke anymore. But, I will not support laws like the above proposal.

The whole argument that tobacco is bad for us, and so they need more money for taking care of the health problems that tobacco causes is ridiculous. They say the money is used for the prevention of young people smoking. Again this is ridiculous. I have heard politicians say that they will use the cigarette money to eliminate the deficit in their budgets.

So there you are...If they really felt that tobacco was dangerous they would have laws against it. They have laws against everything.. but, what they really want is for you to keep smoking so they can get that extra tax money.


posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:16 AM

Originally posted by chrisd250
so what i predict is randomized weekly drug/alcohol/tobacco testing and if your positive for ANY, you will probably be thrown in prison for costing the state more money...gotta love socialists like obama...

How would that save the state money in any way? The state would have to pay fully (meaning clothes, food, shelter, health care etc.) instead of just healthcare for these prisoners then. How does that save money at all? Or is this just more fear mongoring?

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:27 AM
reply to post by virraszto

More asshole legislation from an asshole congress. Why don't these people go off and fook themselves.

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 12:47 PM
This makes absolutely no sense. Within the last year a new law has already taken effect that imposed a huge tax on mail order tobacco so I don't see the point in this at all.

For several years New York state made it impossible for you to buy pre- made cigarettes so I started buying bulk tobacco and make my own. Then came the new tax where a pound of tobacco went from $17 to $42. Why would they now want to stop shipments completely when they are already taxing the living hell out of it?

I don't get it at all and it's really starting to piss me off.

posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 02:10 PM
I'm a pipe and cigar smoker...We don't inhale, thus lung cancer rates are extremely low while mouth and throat cancer is a bit higher...there's an old study from the 60s that said smoking several cigars A DAY only raises your cancer risk by a whopping 15% or less. There also aren't as many chemicals in pipe and cigar tobaccos, but we are lumped in with the cigarette smokers anyways.
In California we have many smoking bans, some cities have banned all public smoking except in a few designated areas. My city has a law on top of the smoking in bars/restaurants/all buildings laws that says no smoking within 50ft of a playground or you pay a hefty fine. They make second hand smoke appear to be instantly poisonous! Yet I wonder how much lung cancer we have is due to auto and industrial exhaust, or those nuclear tests in the 50s an 60s...

The other problem with this and pipe smoking is that there are so few pipe shops out there, most places carry your basic nasty arse prince albert or captain black. The good stuff can only be found online!

I figured one day we will have government run tobacco distribution...get a prescription for one cig a week or one bowl of pipe tobacco.

California already banned the online/mail/telephone purchase of ammo...if those go into effect what the hell will I buy online anymore? lol

Dude, where's my country?

[edit on 11/14/2009 by AnonymousMoose]

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