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Major Russian armed forces exercises to be held in June

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posted on May, 20 2004 @ 04:13 AM
Once more the Russian armed forces are preparing for major exercises to be done in June 2004. What could be the reason for all these military exercises these days? Russia hasn't done these in quite a while but all of a sudden they begin military exercises again since the year 2000 and now having major exercises.

Major Russian armed forces exercises to be held in June
"The Russian Armed Forces will hold major exercises in June 2004, acting Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov told President Vladimir Putin.

"In June, permanent alert units will be redeployed from one Russian region to some other by Defense Ministry transport planes civilian Il-62 and Il-86 aircraft," Mr. Ivanov said at president's Monday meeting with cabinet members.
"This will be a mobile redeployment of airborne and task force units," he added.

"The Russian Navy is planning major independent and international campaigns in the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea in August-September," Mr. Ivanov said."

The cold war has ended sometime ago, so what would be the reason for these exercises now?

"'Controlled by China'

"Unless there is a new idea around which a new Russian nation can be based - replacing the Soviet people - it is quite likely that Siberia and the Russian Far East will be unofficially controlled by China within five years, and officially controlled by it within ten years."
(see link "Will Russia fall appart within a decade?" to see the entire news report.)

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[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Muaddib]

posted on May, 20 2004 @ 04:27 AM


"The cold war has ended sometime ago, so what would be the reason for these exercises now? "

Well why does NATO do many exercises a year?

posted on May, 20 2004 @ 04:57 AM
Perhaps is nothing but before 2000 they haven't done any of these exercises.

Now, the highest ranking defector of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Russian General Staff, Col. Stanislav Lunev has been warning the US that Russia and China have been uniting for a final war against the U.S

You can find Stanislav biography here.

"This is one of the many examples of the anti-American alliance between Red China and so-called democratic Russia and one more proof that the alliance is an established fact, not the figment of paranoid suspicion that many pretend. These two good neighbors already have advanced military and political liaison including secret cooperation in such sensitive areas as intelligence, integration of weapons systems and military command. Glonass will play a major role in the Russia-China united front against the U.S., N.A.T.O., and any other potential opponents.

Moscow and Beijing are also trying to influence America’s allies. Its well-known that France supports efforts by Russia and Communist China to lift the sanctions on Iraq. Even most of the U.S.'s N.A.T.O. allies favor keeping the U.S. defenseless under the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.

As recently reported by The Washington Times, the Chinese deputy foreign minister while in Germany hurled threats at the N.A.T.O. allies. He warned that any country rejecting China’s right to seize Taiwan by force would suffer the consequences. He then repeated the Russian charge that a U.S. missile defense would start a new arms race.

Excerpts taken from.

More articles by former Col. Stanislav Lunev can be found here.

"February 20, 2001
Web posted at: 7:00 p.m. EST (0000 GMT)

(CNN) – Veteran FBI agent Robert Philip Hanssen was charged February 20 with passing classified documents to Russia and with identifying three KGB agents who were working for the United States as double agents. He spent most of his career in counterintelligence operations designed to catch spies, most recently at the State Department. Hanssen even kept his identity a secret from his Russian controllers.

Colonel Stanislav Lunev is a former Russian spy. He is currently a consultant for the FBI and the CIA and writes a column for The highest-ranking military officer ever to defect from Russia to the United States, Lunev defected when Yeltsin came to power in 1992.

CNN Moderator: Welcome to, Colonel Stanislav Lunev.

Col. Stanislav Lunev: Hello and thank you for inviting me.

CNN Moderator: Have Russian spy activities in the U.S. increased or decreased since the end of the Cold War?

Col. Stanislav Lunev: From the end of the Cold War, Russian spy activity against the West and the U.S. has decreased until the middle of the 90's, when it increased dramatically. Now, it would be comparable to the coldest days of the Cold War.

CNN Moderator: Why was the spy activity increased during the mid-1990s?

Col. Stanislav Lunev: It was connected to the Moscow’s politics, which were oriented to military preparations and the restoration of Russian military power and international position and influence. In this case, intelligence -- as one of the arms of the strategic military arsenal of Moscow -- was requested to increase its level of penetration through American secrets and friends of Americans on the Right, such as members of NATO.

Question from chat room: Should the U.S. be concerned about spies from "friendly" countries like Israel?

Col. Stanislav Lunev: Unfortunately, during the last several years, America’s system of national security has been in some kind of decline. American special services -- I mean intelligence and counterintelligence -- did not have a chance to protect everything in this country. In this situation, American foes, and sometimes friends, began to use breaks and holes in the American national security protection shield for their penetration to American secrets.

Question from chat room: Does Russia still see the U.S. as an enemy?

Col. Stanislav Lunev: Unfortunately, the Russian government considers the United States as its main potential military adversary. The increase in Russian intelligence activity against America is directly connected to this point of view, and this view is much more popular than it was in the beginning of the '90s.

Question from chat room: How can Russia continue with what I consider deceptive spying and still ask the USA to support it financially?

Col. Stanislav Lunev: It's not Russia itself that is hostile to the United States. The Russian people like America and consider America an example for their democratic reforms and creation of a free market economy. It’s the Russian government that is hostile. This is a government which actually spends all the billions of dollars it receives from the United States on its corrupt Russian elite that have private accounts in Western banks.

The Russian government tries to explain to the Russian people that Russians are living so badly, not because of a corrupted Russian government, but because an enemy would like to destroy Russia like it's already destroyed the former Soviet Union, destroyed Yugoslavia and would like to destroy Mother Russia, too. "

Excerpts taken from.

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Muaddib]

posted on May, 20 2004 @ 05:35 AM
"In 1982 a former high ranking Communist official, named Jan Sejna, wrote a book entitled "We Will Bury You." A large section of the book is about the Kremlin's plan for defeating the West. Sejna noted that the plan was flexible, and "subject to constant revision to ensure that it takes into account new factors." Most readers would assume that such a plan would be dead by now. But this assumption is incorrect, and here is why:

While the Kremlin was busy giving up Eastern Europe and making all sorts of frank admissions about the "crimes of Stalin" and the "errors of Brezhnev," Soviet officials were mysteriously silent about their long-range strategic plan. No admissions were made, and no documents were published.

Mum was the word.

We know from at least three defector sources that a long range Kremlin strategy did exist. We know that this strategy employed deception on a massive scale, and we know from two of these defectors (i.e., Jan Sejna and Anatoliy Golitsyn) that the long range plan would involve the controlled collapse of Soviet Russia's military alliance in Eastern Europe -- the Warsaw Pact.

If this strategy is now defunct, and if the Kremlin no longer seeks victory over the West, then why haven't we seen this plan exposed at a Moscow press conference? Why haven't our good democratic friends in Moscow declassified the old strategy? Surely, it would clarify the whole history of the Cold War.

But Lenin remains unburied and the plan remains in effect.

Sadly, the West remains clueless. From the very start, America's leaders have refused to believe that a Kremlin plan existed. "One of the basic problems of the West," wrote Sejna, "is its frequent failure to recognize the existence of any Soviet 'grand design' at all.

Two leading U.S. policy analysts, Henry Kissinger and Edward Luttwak, for example, discounted the idea of a long-range Soviet deception strategy, and it was against this skepticism that Sejna wrote, "The Soviet Strategic Plan for the establishment of their 'Socialism' worldwide does, without doubt, exist. ..." "

Excerpts taken from.

"Nagorno-Karabag: A Case Study in "Perestroika"
by Dennis R. Papazian, Ph.D.
Dr. Dennis R. Papazian is a professor of Soviet history, the founder/director of the Armenian Research Center at The University of Michigan, Dearborn, and a member of the faculty of the Center for Russian and East European Studies at The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. This paper is a preliminary draft/study written for oral delivery at the annual conference of the AAASS in Washington, DC, Friday, October 19, 1990."

"More recently, Anatoliy Golitsyn, a Soviet defector of high status, has suggested that the Soviet Union is capable of disinformation on such a massive scale that even the Borkenau system is no longer viable.2 In a book first published in 1984, and of necessity written before then, Golitsyn argues that the leadership of the whole Communist bloc came to an agreement in 1958 in which it established a long range program, a master plan, which it would realize through a large scale deception of the West, a monumental scam.

Golitsyn maintains that the goals of the master plan were to provide a more profound political stabilization of individual communist regimes by developing wider mass support, the rectification of economic weakness of the bloc by increased international trade and the acquisition of credits and high technology from the West, the creation of a substructure for an eventual world federation of communist states, political isolation of the US from its allies, developing influence among socialists in Western Europe and Japan, the dissolution of NATO, and an alignment between the Soviet Union and a neutral, preferably socialist, Western Europe; concerted action with nationalist leaders in the Third World to eliminate Western influence as a preliminary to absorbing them in a communist federation, shifting the balance of power in favor of the Communist world, and the ideological disarmament of the West to create favorable conditions for convergence of East and West on communist terms.3 "

"Golitsyn predicts that the Soviet regime will be stabilized by the creation of spurious, controlled opposition movements and the use of those movements to neutralize genuine internal and external opposition, and that it will encourage communist parties to establish united fronts with socialist parties throughout the world thus increasing Soviet influence in parliaments and trade unions.4

Some of the techniques, according to Golitsyn, will be dissension within the bloc, unity of action behind disunity of words, a show of weakness before meeting with Western leaders or before major initiatives or negotiations, and the heavy use of disinformation.5 This disinformation will emanate from official Communist sources, unofficial Communist sources, and "secret" communist sources, much of it retrospective. It is to be delivered through Western newspapermen, scholars, officials, and the Soviet intelligentsia.

The final phase of the master plan, according to Golitsyn, is a disinformation and deception campaign of such magnitude that it would be "beyond the imagination of Marx, or the practical reach of Lenin, and unthinkable to Stalin. Among such previously unthinkable stratagems are the introduction of false liberalization in Eastern Europe and, probably, the Soviet Union, and the exhibition of spurious independence on the part of the regimes in Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Poland."7 "

Excerpts taken from.

It all seems to add up and it seems to have been a plan in the works for half a century now. The Russian government saw that they were going nowhere with their old tactics and decided to apply new tactics, which seem to be working perfectly.

The best way to bring out those people that oppose your system is to make them believe you are changing from the old system and them systematically take them out... Was the Chechnyan president assassination part of this eliminating those that oppose Mother Russia??

Now, the Russian and Chinese government are uniting and they seem to have become almost best buds, just like in the plan.

The threats from both the Chinese and the Russian government that there will be another arms race if the US goes ahead with a "missile defense system," this osunds very suspicious to me since Russia already have a "missile defense system." The threats from these two countries are a major warning that they are planning something against the US if they don't want us to have a defense system in place

Luckily for us Bush has not given up to these threats and we are soon, before the 2004 elections to have a "rudimentary missile defense system."

Could this be one of the reasons, or the main reason why the U.S.S.R err, I mean Russia and China are making major military demonstrations?

"CDI Russia Weekly #241 Contents Printer-Friendly Version

January 23, 2003
Russia's missile defense capacities will be updated
Author: Dmitry Litovkin
[from WPS Monitoring Agency,]


The shock means of the Russian missile defense system are in full operational readiness for the immediate repulse of a missile attack. The two facilities of the missile attack warning system (MAWS) that were put into operation in 2002 will contribute to that too. This is what Russian Space Troops Commander Anatoly Perminov said at a news conference."

Excerpts taken from.

"News Archive: Chinese Missile Defenses

Study on China’s Stance Toward U.S. BMD, China’s Own Missile Defenses
March 4, 2004 :: Analysis
A study prepared by the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA) for the Defense Intelligence Agency outlines both China’s likely response and attitudes toward U.S. ballistic missile defense, and China’s own missile defense efforts and systems.

The study, dated September 2003, divides the treatment of China’s strategic position towards missile defenses into 5 periods, beginning in 1955 and ending with 2002."

Excertps taken from.

Both China and Russia have missile defense systems yet they threaten the U.S for trying to do the same....

Interesting huh?

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Muaddib]

posted on Feb, 3 2007 @ 08:32 AM
An article from the Russian magazine Ogonek reported that in Russia and the other republics there are now 27 cities involved in strategic weapons production and development which have been CLOSED to Westerners. Many of these facilities are purported to be located underground, encased in granite. The Russian government employs 755.000 people in these facilities. Between 1.500 and 2.000 of these people are scientists, the rest are technicians and workers.

posted on Feb, 4 2007 @ 06:27 AM
Putin the "reformer" admits he personally never left the Communist Party. A keen-eyed observer of the CNN TV report on the December, 1999 Russian parliamentary elections spotted Putin presenting his I.D. to the clerk so he could vote. The I.D. clearly showed the letters CCCP on the inside of the booklet -- his official Soviet Union Communist Party ID. The authoritative British journal, "Soviet Analyst" commented that CNN ignored this "curiosity."

posted on Feb, 5 2007 @ 01:35 PM

posted on Feb, 6 2007 @ 03:47 AM
This is how Lenin described the strategy behind the New Economic Policy: The Capitalists of the world and their governments, in pursuit of conquest of the Soviet market, will close their eyes to the indicated higher reality and thus will turn into deaf, mute, blind men. They will extend credits, which will strengthen for us the Communist Party in their countries, and giving us the materials and technology we lack, they will restore our military industry, indispensable for our future victorious attacks on our suppliers. In other words, they will labor for the preparation for their own suicide....

posted on Feb, 7 2007 @ 09:08 PM

Originally posted by Muaddib
Perhaps is nothing but before 2000 they haven't done any of these exercises.

As any large military power, especially one that had to repel the largest planned invasion in history no that long ago, Russia needs to keep its forces prepared for anything. Russia did hold numerous exercises throughout the 90's, but they were low key because the Chechen War itself was like a large scale exercise. Plus Russian federal budget has greatly increased in the last half a decade, so large military exercises are a financial possibility.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Now, the highest ranking defector of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Russian General Staff, Col. Stanislav Lunev has been warning the US that Russia and China have been uniting for a final war against the U.S

USSR had scores of "high ranking" defectors during the Cold War, and nearly all of them are known for telling outrageous lies and exageration for their own benefit. The thinking is, that if you make US and NATO very afraid of Russia or USSR by making up myths of super weapons and secret strategies, US/NATO will not only let you in but take care of you for the rest of your life, with a job and everything else you will need. The credibility factor of nearly all defectors is right next to nothing when it comes to outrageous fearmongering.

And Russia-China alliance is a vry remote possibility, and will likely never happen. China and Russia have a long stretching conflict over land and resources, which has flared up numerous times in the last century, sometimes leading to bloodshed. It is a known fact that China is very interested in Eastern Siberia, which is very rich with resources and could provide all of China's needs for a very long time. Chinese population is spilling over the borders in alarming numbers, and some of them have ties to Chinese government. This is one of the most troubling problems for Russia today.

But if the US and NATO continue to surround Russia by innitiating coups in CIS nations, like they did in Ukraine, Georgia, and tried to do in several more, Russia might very well have to look for an ally. But I would wager that India is a better possibility than China in that Case.

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