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Originally posted by Ulala
I can't remember ever reading such an appalling account of the US health system.
Here's Scott Hawkins. ...
His parent's have received a bill from the hospital for Scott's care ... to the remarkable tune of $29,186.50 ... even more astounding considering Scott was DOA and only received 5 minutes attention in ER. The bill to his parents contained a letter saying Scott was considered "indigent" and that he shouldn't return to the UC Davis Medical Centre for any further treatment (basically he hadn't paid his bill ... so he's getting denied further treatment ... even though he's dead already).
Come on, all you apologists for private healthcare, all the ones saying Obamacare is socialism run riot.
Try defending that one. Try defending the best part of $30G for five minutes treatment, let alone the way the poor guy's parents were treated.
UC Davis Medical Center serves 6 million residents in 33 counties encompassing 65,000 square miles in Northern and Central California. The acute-care, teaching hospital is licensed for 613 beds and maintains an annual budget of roughly $1 billion.
With more than 6,500 employees, UC Davis provides vital care to more than 200,000 patients every year, admitting 25,000 patients for extended care and handling more than 900,000 visits. The medical center's emergency room sees an average of 150 patients every day.
UC Davis Health System is at the forefront of providing access to the latest discoveries and best treatments for patients in Northern California and beyond.
•UC Davis Medical Center is a leading referral center for the most seriously injured or ill patients, and the most medically complex cases in a region, covering 33 counties, more than 65,000 square miles and 6 million residents.
•UC Davis operates inland Northern California's only Level 1 trauma center, with comprehensive adult and pediatric emergency departments. The center has been instrumental in keeping Sacramento County's preventable death rate at or below 1 percent, less than half the national average. Studies show patients with specific critical injuries have better survival rates and functional outcomes at Level I trauma centers and academic medical centers.
•With the region's only full-service children's hospital, UC Davis offers a comprehensive pediatric cardiology program in Sacramento, as well as more than 30 other children's specialties.
•UC Davis has the only National Cancer Institute-designated cancer center serving inland Northern California, and one of the nation's largest clinical trials programs. It offers comprehensive, compassionate care to adults and children with both rare and common cancers.
•UC Davis Medical Center has won the Consumer Choice Award 10 years in a row for best overall quality and reputation among all hospitals in the Sacramento region, based on National Research Corp. consumer surveys..
•The California Telemedicine Resource Center at UC Davis will become the hub for telehealth services among the five UC medical schools, providing expertise on diverse topics ranging from establishing best practices for clinical applications and state and national health-related telecommunications policies.
•Complementing UC Davis' extensive medical interpreting service, the Transcultural Linguistic Care Nurse Program includes five bilingual nurses who help hospital patients with limited English throughout their hospital stays.
•As part of a large-scale national study, emergency department physicians are comparing the safety and effectiveness of two medications in treating life-threatening seizures in children.
•The UC Davis Vascular Center provides state-of-the-art vascular care and promotes collaboration among different specialties that treat patients with atherosclerosis, aneurysms, vein disorders and other blood-vessel disorders.
Hospital, patient statistics
Licensed beds 613
ER visits* 55,758
Clinic/office visits* 966,687
Admissions* 33,678
* For year ending June 30, 2008
If I recall, the White House had"de-emphasized" Orszagism (cost control) because those who heard the argument tended to fall into roughly two camps: 1) Voters who thought it was at best pie-in-the-sky and that the government probably couldn't "bend the curve" over the next two decades--the way it hasn't been able to do with Medicare, for example; and 2) Voters who thought the government could indeed "bend the curve" and were terrified by the prospect, because the argument seemed to be that only if the government controlled virtually the entire health system could it really [turn the screws] [start denying treatments] initiate a "very difficult democratic conversation" over which treatments were really cost-effective, including treatments at the end of life. ...
It was only when the Orszagism was in fact de-emphasized (over the summer) that opposition to health care reform stopped its relentless upward rise and actually fell for a brief period. Why go back to the debacle of last Spring? Vague policyspeak about curve-bending has already, unnecessarily, cost health care reform the support of the elderly. Does Obama want to give reform's opponents the ammo to drive opposition above the 60% line? Go ahead. Make Dick Morris' day. ...
P.S.: I should make it clear that I am in camp #1--I don't think Americans will tolerate draconian, or even semi-draconian, denials of service. As a result I don't think the curve (which is driven mainly by advances in medicine that yield expensive treatments) will be bent. That's why I'm for health care reform. But Orszagism is still lousy politics, because lots of voters will fall into Camp #2. ...
Originally posted by Wotan
Originally posted by HotSauce
reply to post by Wotan
No you guys are the ones that invented the nanny state where government must protect you from your own stupidity. We in Amerian are sad for all of you.
We in Europe have a fair few more hundred years of history than you and a National Health Service is what we ALL wanted. To be fair, the UK NHS and other healthcare reforms did not happen overnight, but were progressive over many years to where we are today.
I for one would not swap my NHS for your commerical healthcare system, regardless of its faults.
You (Americans) complain about your commercialised healthcare but you can never see what to replace it with and as soon as the word 'socialised' is mentioned it soon becomes communist and anti-american ........... I thought Mcarthyism was long gone.
Originally posted by Wotan
You (Americans) complain about your commercialised healthcare but you can never see what to replace it with and as soon as the word 'socialised' is mentioned it soon becomes communist and anti-american ........... I thought Mcarthyism was long gone.
Originally posted by Wotan
No I cannot relate to the American Health System as I have never used it. I can only go by what others say. The same as most Americans here about other countries healthcare systems.
As for the UK's NHS, I can say a lot about it. I am a Nurse that works within it as well as being a payer and user of it.