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Originally posted by Philalethes
reply to post by Wotan
Really? I can legally carry a gun. Don't see that freedom in Europe!
Phil
Originally posted by Seiko
I couldn't possibly think of a way to defend this.
That said I'm not sure the current bill would in anyway alleviate this problem. The over-billing will still happen, and the utter obtuse behaviour of the hospital in question will most likely continue.
Originally posted by Wotan
Originally posted by Philalethes
reply to post by Wotan
Really? I can legally carry a gun. Don't see that freedom in Europe!
Phil
Ah! The Gun thing that gets you all such a hard-on.
We also do not see gun ownership as a freedom, there is very little gun culture in Europe. Guns are not a big deal in Europe, so it means little to us.
Sir, yes you are a free country. We just have a few more freedoms here in America and our gun RIGHTs are on the top of the list. It's not a hard-on it's a FREEDOM and a RIGHT! You don't see it as a freedom because it has been taken from you.
The intentions of a RIGHT to own guns are two fold...
1. An instant Army. No country in this world is going to walk into American and try to take it. Refer to Chinese statement on a 100M man Army...
2. To take down our Gov't if ever needed. Refer to Constitution and Gov't no represting their people...
So, back to the OP's post and back on subject...
If Europe like their NHCS then great! We are used to a different system and we like it. What our Gov't has yet to discover is that requiring everyone to purchase HC is against our contitution. See Guns rights above...
Case in point. My Mom had a stent put in here in the U.S. and the next month against all of our recommendations she went on her scheduled trip to Italy. Her stent blocked and she entered a hospital in Italy. They medically took great care of her and re-did the stent.
Here's the rub...Her boyfriend had to procure all her meals, bring toiletries and she was in an open ward with no privacy. Not big deal to you maybe but to us it's not what we are used to. While in a hospital here in the U.S they provide the correct meals for a cardiac patient and ensure proper nutrition education. They also don't expose patients to other patients illnesses with an open ward type setting.
BTW the Italian Gov't payed the bill.
My company currently pays my blue cross health ins bill (part of my salary which I work for) for a family of 4 and its about 12.5k per year. I'm sure there is better but I consirder it a cadillac plan. I went into the hospital last May and received awesome care. All my meals and needs were provided for and had a private room. Now, why would I want to give that up and pay 15k to loose my privacy and provide my own food and basic needs while there.
Can I ask if you have ever experienced the health care system in America? If so, please describe your American HC experience and relate it to your British HC experience.
Phil
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[edit on 7-11-2009 by Philalethes]
[edit on 7-11-2009 by Philalethes]
Strep throat in Florida 2 yrs ago. Penicillin. $429. Bargain (not).
Originally posted by Philalethes
reply to post by sligtlyskeptical
Whoa, the freedom here is that if the insurance doen't want to pay then it's up to you if you feel that you still need the care. Under the UHC would you still have that freedom?
Phil
Originally posted by conspiracyrus
reply to post by Wotan
The facts are in logic same amount of healthcare workers, more patients = longer wait.. if its scaremongering debunk it
and with more people using the service the more money needing to be put towards the system.
The birth rate is higher than the death rate in the US so every second there are more patients meaning every second their will be an increasing amount of money to spend on healthcare... what you think theyll just poof and make money appear... no it will come from you and I.
oh wait you wont have to pay a cent becuase your not a citizen so um dont debate here...
Oh yeah and currently i pay nothing for health insurance as i dont need nor can i afford it
[edit on 7-11-2009 by conspiracyrus]