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Originally posted by mhc_70
reply to post by Solar.Absolution
Is it proposterous to say it is the most barbaric religion today?
Is it proposterous to say that it glorifies death?
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There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that "IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE" and Allah (SWT) knows best.
Originally posted by Solar.Absolution
Originally posted by mhc_70
reply to post by Solar.Absolution
Is it proposterous to say it is the most barbaric religion today?
Is it proposterous to say that it glorifies death?
Yes, feeding into the hate filled propaganda that MSM has been feeding North america for the better part of 30 years is PREPOSTEROUS. The same thing could be said about Christianity but I don't want to derail this thread so I'll leave it at that.
Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
reply to post by dooper
the bible commands the murder of believers of different gods too.
www.biblegateway.com...:2-7&version=NIV
[edit on 7-11-2009 by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest]
Originally posted by Violater1
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. – Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. – Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216 Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
….. martyrs…. Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. – 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. – Surah 3:169-71
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
The best way to put it is that Islam is still in the Old Testament...
It's incompatible with any modern religions or world views.
Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
Yeah, right. His being a Muslim has nothing to do with it.
I guess him yelling "Allahu Akbar," Allah is the Greatest is an old Zorastrian chant, right?
Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.
Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was held there in May that year.
The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.
But Richard had previously argued with Hasan when he said that he felt the "war on terror" was really a war against Islam, expressed anti-Jewish sentiments and defended suicide bombings.
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