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Originally posted by bigyin
I'm not making any accusations. All I've heard is that Israel have gone 200 miles to take a ship. Nobody knows whats on it, who it belongs to, or anything.
When did Israel become the police of international shipping lanes ?
Originally posted by bigyin
Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by bigyin
The problem, you see, is that Iran is denying they sent weapons to hezbolla terrorists.
Therefor, if they complain about losing the weapons headed for hezbolla terrorists, they must first admit they were shipping weapons to hezbolla terrorists.
Please note, as of this time, no word from:
Iran
Syria
Lebanon
Hezbolla terrorists
IF Iran was legally selling weapons, why no complaints, threats or anything???
YOU are making accusations, but no government is, don't you find that odd????
I'm not making any accusations. All I've heard is that Israel have gone 200 miles to take a ship. Nobody knows whats on it, who it belongs to, or anything.
When did Israel become the police of international shipping lanes ?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by mrmonsoon
Oh a ship from another country!
What a surprise. Almost as surprising as the dirt poor stateless Palestinian refugees who are Sunni Muslims buying these weapons for there rival sect the Shia Muslims and Hisbollah.
You guys shoot yourself in the foot everytime.
I am surprise you haven't thrown Black September and their secret origins from Jordan only you know about as being involved too!
Tehran has dismissed claims that a container intercepted by Israel was carrying 'hundreds of kilograms of Iranian-made arms' to Lebanon.
In remarks that instantly became the focus of Western media outlets, Israeli military sources said they found a large cache of weapons when they stormed a Lebanon-bound ship on Tuesday.
The sources added that the ship, which is currently being unloaded in Israel, was Iranian and the weaponry was destined for the Hezbollah resistance movement either in Lebanon or Syria.
"We found dozens of containers, with hundreds of tons of arms bound for Hezbollah from Iran," Israel's deputy naval commander, Rani Ben Yehuda, told reporters on Wednesday.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki, in a joint press conference with his Syrian counterpart Walid Muallem on Wednesday, dismissed the allegations out of hand.
His remarks were backed by Muallem, who asserted that contrary to Israeli claims, "the ship was not carrying Iranian-made weaponry for Syria or Lebanon," but was in fact carrying Syrian-made items for consumption in Iran.
"Unfortunately a number of pirates disrupt business activities and frequenting of the ships, these pirates sometimes act in the name of [Iranians]," said the Syrian Foreign Minister.
www.ufs.com.pk...
Universal Freight Systems (Pvt) Ltd
Popularly known as UFS was founded in March 1987 and is among the top three forwarders in Pakistan. Having our own professionally staffed and well equipped offices in all the major cities of Pakistan (Karachi, Lahore, Sialkot, Faisalabad, Peshawar & Islamabad), UFS is in an envious position to provide our excellent services to our customers.
UFS, the owners of the ship, is a Cypriot freight delivery company that operates in dozens of ports in the Mediterranean and the Black Sea.
Speaking on behalf of UFS, Paniatois Emirs said to Ynet: "We rented the chip, but it is not under our ownership. We are only carriers. We did not know there were weapons on the ship. We knew that we were delivering containers, but we are not legally permitted to check what is inside them. This is the responsibility of the customs authorities at the ports where we anchor. We do not know what happened on the ship. We are waiting, just like you are, for answers."
He added, "This is the first time something like this happens to us. I hope this will not damage the relations between Cyprus and Israel, because it is just business for us."
Ben-Yehuda said that the ship had been carrying 40 containers filled with 300 tons of weapons each
Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Originally posted by bigyin
Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by bigyin
The problem, you see, is that Iran is denying they sent weapons to hezbolla terrorists.
Therefor, if they complain about losing the weapons headed for hezbolla terrorists, they must first admit they were shipping weapons to hezbolla terrorists.
Please note, as of this time, no word from:
Iran
Syria
Lebanon
Hezbolla terrorists
IF Iran was legally selling weapons, why no complaints, threats or anything???
YOU are making accusations, but no government is, don't you find that odd????
I'm not making any accusations. All I've heard is that Israel have gone 200 miles to take a ship. Nobody knows whats on it, who it belongs to, or anything.
When did Israel become the police of international shipping lanes ?
Lets take what you say....
We do know what's on it.
The only thing in question is how much.
The numbers seem to go from 5 tons to 50 tons to 500 tons.
So, I put it to you, if Israel illegally took someone's weapons, why are they not complaining about it??????
Why is no country making accusations or threats about it???
Why is no one claiming ownership of the weapons???
Originally posted by rogerstigers
the official Iran and Syrian statement is:
Tehran has dismissed claims that a container intercepted by Israel was carrying 'hundreds of kilograms of Iranian-made arms' to Lebanon.
In remarks that instantly became the focus of Western media outlets, Israeli military sources said they found a large cache of weapons when they stormed a Lebanon-bound ship on Tuesday.
The sources added that the ship, which is currently being unloaded in Israel, was Iranian and the weaponry was destined for the Hezbollah resistance movement either in Lebanon or Syria.
"We found dozens of containers, with hundreds of tons of arms bound for Hezbollah from Iran," Israel's deputy naval commander, Rani Ben Yehuda, told reporters on Wednesday.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki, in a joint press conference with his Syrian counterpart Walid Muallem on Wednesday, dismissed the allegations out of hand.
His remarks were backed by Muallem, who asserted that contrary to Israeli claims, "the ship was not carrying Iranian-made weaponry for Syria or Lebanon," but was in fact carrying Syrian-made items for consumption in Iran.
"Unfortunately a number of pirates disrupt business activities and frequenting of the ships, these pirates sometimes act in the name of [Iranians]," said the Syrian Foreign Minister.
Iran, Syria reject Israeli claims over arms cargo
This statement and the way it is worded is what makes me think it was a third party arms trafficker who pulled this off.
Type of ship: Cargo Ship
IMO Number: 9277412
Flag: Antigua and Barbuda
MMSI Number: 305234000
Length: 137.0m
Callsign: V2DJ5
Beam: 22.0m
The ship is apparently owned by the charter company UFS
www.ufs.com.pk...
Universal Freight Systems (Pvt) Ltd
Popularly known as UFS was founded in March 1987 and is among the top three forwarders in Pakistan. Having our own professionally staffed and well equipped offices in all the major cities of Pakistan (Karachi, Lahore, Sialkot, Faisalabad, Peshawar & Islamabad), UFS is in an envious position to provide our excellent services to our customers.
Here is their take on it:
UFS, the owners of the ship, is a Cypriot freight delivery company that operates in dozens of ports in the Mediterranean and the Black Sea.
Speaking on behalf of UFS, Paniatois Emirs said to Ynet: "We rented the chip, but it is not under our ownership. We are only carriers. We did not know there were weapons on the ship. We knew that we were delivering containers, but we are not legally permitted to check what is inside them. This is the responsibility of the customs authorities at the ports where we anchor. We do not know what happened on the ship. We are waiting, just like you are, for answers."
He added, "This is the first time something like this happens to us. I hope this will not damage the relations between Cyprus and Israel, because it is just business for us."
Owners of Hezbollah-bound arms ship: We didn't know about weapons
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by mrmonsoon
Actually a half a dozen posters to the thread have made this about Palestinains, commenting that Palestinians claim the boycott in Gaza is starving them but this is proof they use their money to buy weapons.
In fact so many people starred these absolute blatantly false posts that it's not just tragic it's bizarre.
One poster is even trying to claim there is still a tie in rather than admitt the truth.
How can you expect people to take any allegation serious when the people who make them support patently and blatantly false allegations?
Then can't even admit it?
There is no credibility, seriously friend.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I would love to actually see you walk up to a Hizbollah Member and tell them they are just a Palestinian.
Originally posted by Legion2112
reply to post by centurion1211
Just found this... swear, this is turning into a Tom Clancy novel real quick.
www.cbsnews.com...
Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by rogerstigers
nice catch.
Lets add Egypt to the list of countries that are not complaining about the weapons being taken.
This just gets more and more interesting.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by mrmonsoon
Actually my friend when you board a ship that is not yours and retard it's forward progress and take anything from that ship it's called Piracy!
Of course when Israel bought the weapons and forged all the documents trying to make it look like someone else did it?
And Israel doesn't want to turn itself in for the theft?
I am not laying a claim to the weapons either...does that mean I am behind it?
You aren't laying a claim to the weapons either...does that mean you are behind it?
Do you even get how rediculous you guys sound. Hizbollah in Lebanon is now Hamas in Gaza. The parties someone forged on a Bill of Laden have nothing to do with it therefore some enemy of Israel must?
You guys have so much egg on your faces in this thread I am thinking of getting some foo yung to go along with it...
Though as usual a chance to bash Palestinians or Iranians over an incident that is nothing but Fooey is becoming more apparent by the moment.
You guys act like it's me that makes Israel look so rediculous in their machinations and fabrications and distorted assertions.
That's just poor thought out planning on Israel's part and poor propaganda.
Israel definately needs some new marketers, frankly I would fire the whole lot of them and get some competent people and new tactics.
It's like Israel and it's supporters are actually going out of their way to make Israel and it's supporters look bad.
Frankly I like the Iranians because they don't cause a drama every day or make all these wild claims and agitate for wars that America is going to have to pay for.
I don't believe one word coming out of Israel or the U.S. on the Middle East.
Too much of it either never pans out or turns out to be false.
Then it's just a bunch of desperate people trying to say how they were right but just can't prove it.
They smuggled the WMD's out last minute even though we had ever square inch covered with Sattelites! Sure they did.
No credibility my friend, not a shred at this point.