Do you guys think this is selfish? Is this survival of the fittest?

A quarter of us don't have jobs.

A quarter of us might lose our jobs within the next couple of years.

Yet, there are:

Teens using connections to get jobs before the dislocated workers so that they can buy a car.

Businessmen trying to exploit the devaluing dollar.

Americans worrying more for Jon & Kate than than the economically unprepared.

Republicans wanting to bring Obama down no matter the cost.

Democrats wanting to tax the crap out of everyone so that they can have a better place to live.

Some anorexic or bulimic throwing away food while someone else is digging in the trash for a peach pit.


Where do we get our values from??!?!

Originally posted by die_another_day
A quarter of us don't have jobs.

A quarter of us might lose our jobs within the next couple of years.

Yet, there are:

Teens using connections to get jobs before the dislocated workers so that they can buy a car.

Businessmen trying to exploit the devaluing dollar.

Americans worrying more for Jon & Kate than than the economically unprepared.

Republicans wanting to bring Obama down no matter the cost.

Democrats wanting to tax the crap out of everyone so that they can have a better place to live.

Some anorexic or bulimic throwing away food while someone else is digging in the trash for a peach pit.


Where do we get our values from??!?!

All of these certainly don't fit under the same umbrella. Teens using connections to get jobs is not selfish. That's how you GET jobs. believe me, any social worker will tell you this - no matter HOW you find a job, you found a job. teens need work too (albeit - the car is a fascinating money hole what with insurance, safety tests etc... i dont even have a license nor do i feel i need one, the good old heel toe express has served me well thus far)

the rest... well the rest is typical post-Cold War America. Honestly, nothing much has changed, but all of a sudden theres an economic crisis and everyone just now starts to realize how demoralized society has become?

Why not? The kids have to work eventually anyway. They need to find out what it's like, to learn how to get and keep a job. Why shouldn't they get jobs, if they're able to?

Ask yourself why someone would hire a kid over an older adult. The reason is money. The younger person works more cheaply, uses fewer resources (especially health and life insurance), and is a better deal overall.

We have people digging in the trash for food because too many people in this country regard poverty or homelessness as a moral failing, instead of misfortune or illness. Many of our homeless are actually veterans of our wars, damaged invisibly by their experiences, unable to get the benefits that were promised them. They can find no treatment for their PTSD or other psychological problems, cannot find or keep jobs, and wind up on the street where people sneer at them and tell them to get a job.

Many of the others are people with severe mental illness, turned out onto the streets when states closed their psychiatric hospitals. These people are not sufficiently organized to take their medicines, or to properly care for themselves. They are victims of predators and other criminals, despised by most of the public, again unable to find or keep a job.

There is enough in this country for everyone, but we don't distribute it evenly. We have people getting obscenely wealthy, while others starve. I'm not saying we have to go Communist, but I am saying we have to take care of all our people, including those who are damaged.

"Survival of the fittest" applies, not just to individuals, but also to societies and species. The societies that don't care for their citizens, tend to disintegrate.

Originally posted by chiron613
There is enough in this country for everyone, but we don't distribute it evenly. We have people getting obscenely wealthy, while others starve. I'm not saying we have to go Communist, but I am saying we have to take care of all our people, including those who are damaged.

Do you need a sickle with that hammer?

Whuh oh! Prepare for a full on communism/socialism/capitalism debate everyone!

[edit on 3-11-2009 by Whine Flu]

You have misconceptions about what survival of the fittest is
Think of it like a virus
Our DNA's goal is solely to reproduce itself

That is what survival of the fittest is

Actually the book I am reading right now explains this the best
Not that you have misconceptions but as to where our beliefs come from how our brains work

It is called Virus of the Mind by Richard Brodie

It is a very good read should b required almost
It could help you better your life!

[edit on 3-11-2009 by knightsof0ld]

Too many are the books that ought to be required reading for everyone.

Too few are the people who want to read.

Perhaps your speaking with the incorrect people?

So I should go get a job at a supermarket and not feel guilty about taking possible employment from a guy with a wife and 2 kids?

I'll do it =D.

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You're not taking his job.
remember a job is just an agreement between two bodies to do work for an agreed upon amount of money.
lowest bidder with the best service wins.

Is it worth not having a supermarket to employ ANYBODY because every lowly job pays enough to support a family?

Unskilled labor pays so low because anyone can do it. People who yell at Wal Mart for not paying their employees enough to live on need to realize that ANYONE can do the work, and those employees are lucky to have a job at all.

reply to post by die_another_day

Do you guys think this is selfish? Is this survival of the fittest?

A quarter of us don't have jobs.

(Last I looked, the unemployment rate in the US was just under 10%)

A quarter of us might lose our jobs within the next couple of years.

(And a quarter of us might come down with swine flu and die. Don't panic.)

Yet, there are:

Teens using connections to get jobs before the dislocated workers so that they can buy a car.

(Just teens?)

Businessmen trying to exploit the devaluing dollar

.
(Old story... older than even me. I am still here.)

Americans worrying more for Jon & Kate than than the economically unprepared.

(Don't worry about what everyone else is doing. Spend a little time on your self. There's no sin in this.)

Republicans wanting to bring Obama down no matter the cost.

(And the Dems wanted to do the same to Bush. Another old story that will likley be unchanged when you are a grandparent yourself.)

Democrats wanting to tax the crap out of everyone so that they can have a better place to live.

(Taxes and death... one more old story.)

Some anorexic or bulimic throwing away food while someone else is digging in the trash for a peach pit.

(Sad, I agree.)

Where do we get our values from??!?!

(Search your heart and spend time with friends and family. You can't change the whole world but you can have a positive effect on those closest to you. There are many things in life we take for granted but never even realize until we are the ones on the edge of forever. Do good for others where you can but do good for yourself along the way. Self sacrifice is noble but martyring yourself for the general state of the world is a never-ending cycle of defeat.)

Best wishes

[edit on 3-11-2009 by redoubt]

I don't know what the pigdogs are gunna do. I dunno. They aren't buying good music anymore. They aren't being motivated by colorful ads for pigdogs. Ehhh maybe they should just cannibalize each other. Let the pigdogs be pigdogs and think they are surviving like the fittest. the pigdog has no mind except the mind provided to them. they will eat each other's children until they come crawling back to the ones kind enough to give them rule.

The pigdog population does this every once in awhile. Only today we can't call them pigdogs. Not PC. We must act like we're all just equal and like we're all capable of making our own decisions. But the masters know better. The pigdogs will never know their true masters. If they did, they would surely burn us at the stake.

Pigdogs, don't worry. You'll be sold something "truthy sounding" pretty soon.

I'm just messing with ya... I think... sometimes I dunno. Sometimes I agree with some elitists. Some people are worse than dogs. Some are just filthy depraved currupted soul-less savages. Some truly don't have any desire to become more than sub-canine... and what's an NWO Elitist supposed to do,then? How do you tell them apart when the whole system made to appease the pigdogs also brainwashes some people who may actually have potential to change?

Well... the truth is still available. It's up to the individual to elevate his status by showing that he is more than a cattle...

and that requires much more effort than just "raging against the machine" my friends.

That requires knowing your enemy as yourself. sometimes... being possessed by that same mindset. You filthy sublife viruses! See?

Versatility is what separates the men from the cattle. The ability to play into the hands and the minds of your enemy. not just simply reacting like threatened wild beasts.

That is what the world has always been, always will be, and it is only with technology now that we can effectively brainwash those unwilling to think for themselves... so that we may have complacent and comfortable cattle. Ones that don't squirm whilst being fleeced.

Imagination.... that's what you must use. To beat your enemy... become your enemy.

Natural selection is something as a Native American have lived by even after the arrival of western culture. Although it has been watered down slightly... I see no wrong in letting people who cannot take care of themsleves go the way of any other animal that cannot find food and shelter. Sad albeit, but the fact remains to us we are all animals... no different than deer or rabbits. The time is coming for a leveling of the field so to speak. many REAL American Inidans have been counting hours mintues and seconds for this to happen. Becasue of this phony life forced upon us is not only foriegn it is unatural. The culture of the tribe I come from is very similar to the Spartan culture of Greece. Babies were examined at birth, and children with defects were often killed by mercy. Many would see this as barbaric but in the long run the child was spared.

That child would have to have someone taking care of them their entire life. Somebody would have to pull double or triple duty to find this child food and shelter. This extended beyond childhood to its entire life. What happens when there is no more family to take care of this person??? Like homosexuals and lesbians were also dealt witht the same way. The sad part is these children often grew to puberty before this was discovered. They could not marry, nor could they reproduce thus again a burden to someone else. They could not hunt or do any of the work men did becasue of their effeminate nature. Thus making them a burden on someone else. If left to the world they would die. All the boys were from the day we could walk were taught how to survive. Even the jobs of women were taught to the men.

A time like this were your paper money is meaning less and less every day, it has meant nothing to us Indians since its inception. Which is why we have nothing by a materialistic standards and couldnt be happier. If I had to leave my home and never return I couldnt careless about all the junk I have. Only a few small items and I am ready to dissappear. To many whose lives revolve around this Matrix and have known nothing else, I do feel sorry for you.. I really do. The harsh realites of the rest of the world is about to hit America like a sledge to the face. And like stated above nobody seems to care about what is going on... BECASUE THAT CANT HAPPEN AMERCIA, YOU WOULD SEE IT ON THE NEWS.... RIGHT????? It is time to grow up and put down all the childish things down. This society we live in is no different than you average middle school or high school. While everybody parties the last few mintues away, or watches mindelss ball games or TV shows the world is turning. So the grim realites that so many of us can see coming will be undenialbe. And laughing about it or denying it will not make it go away, nor will clicking your heels and saying "There no place like home". People like this dont wait until there is a fire under their ass... they wait until they are on fire to get up and do something. But sadly by then it is too late. And like the sheeple they are they will line up droves at wal-marts across the US trying to buy food and water.... when there is none. They will try to procure firearms when it is impossible, and try to buy ammo when it all sold out. This is why these people have to go... and I wont feel bad about it. They cannot hunt animals... or people, they cant grow or gather their own food nor can they fashion shelter out of simple sticks. Their ignorance is thier undoing! Any man who beleives in this facade called "progess" is a fool shame be onto him.

reply to post by redoubt


Are you kidding me??? I have a cousin who works in the unemplyment office and is more like 22% national. They do not count people applying for unemployment, denied unemployment or just plain out of work ... and if your believe the unemployment rate is 10% I have a noce bridge for sale....REAL CHEAP! or you are a disinfo agent!

Originally posted by Hopllyte
reply to post by redoubt

 

Are you kidding me??? I have a cousin who works in the unemplyment office and is more like 22% national. They do not count people applying for unemployment, denied unemployment or just plain out of work ... and if your believe the unemployment rate is 10% I have a noce bridge for sale....REAL CHEAP! or you are a disinfo agent!

I wasn't looking for a flame war. Was just offering a few opinions. As far as the unemployment rate nationally, I believe I am right... but won't get into a pissing match over it on your behalf.

Oh... and yes. I am a disinfo agent. My double secret company name is hidden in my Johnny Spymaster decoder ring.

Sheesh.

When I use the word pigdog... don't think I mean the ones who are "fit" conventionally. Those who are obsessed with natural selection and brutality to weed out the weak are weak themselves. What has advanced human culture is Order... and out of the chaos of nature comes a higher Order, as natural as nature... only less cruel. More compassionate. More diverse. More efficient.

When I use the word "pigdog", I mean those who will not submit to the Order which Freedom to Create requres.

Nothing is unnatural. Nothing is unfit to live except for the shells of old and barberic ways. The Mind of God must use Fire to fight Fire, sometimes.

The Native Americans who passionately fight to live the way their ancestors lived are going to lose. They are not their ancestors. They are not their heritage. They are here... now... and if they want to be free, they must obey the Law.

We want those who are disabled to have a chance. Only a pigdog would feel threatened by the disabled... because they do not realize the mind which is inside.... and the minds of the disabled must indeed become very strong to survive in a world where their safety and wellbeing is in the hands of savages. Oh Native American, European, Hispanic, Black, Asian.... doesn't matter the race.... doesn't matter the physical imperfections. A savage is a savage regardless. This is what makes man from beast. Many people of the past have mistakenly labeled "savages" as natives or tribal people... tried to lump certain racial groups all into a sub-human category... but that is not what makes a savage. What makes a savage is the INability for self realization and co-creation. Unfortunately, we can never ALL be co-creators. This is the secret that savages burn people for, and the reason why there have always been secret groups behind the direction of mankind... the building of civilizations. Someone had to tame the beasts. Aliens? Or humans with minds alien to the profane?

What matters is the mind. The meek shall inherit the Earth. Let the pigdogs fight amongst themselves. The royal bloodlines grow weak and dumb. A new line of Rightful and Compassionate Kings will emerge from the ashes of the old guard.

Do not think that we have much sympathy for those who wish to be thick headed and judgmental. We do not.

We try each and every individual... and some succeed, while most fail. We give every man and woman the chance to prove themselves worthy of realization.

It is a shame that so many will have to suffer for their ignorance...

We will not prevent the infantile armies of savage hairless apes from destroying one another. We will have no choice but to direct the carnage in a way so that it works out in the end... and that becomes harder and harder to do when political correctness and media brainwashing removes our ability to see the Lords apart from the Flies.

Some say this is a bit extreme and egotistical... but I assure you, there is not necessarily ego involved in duty. When you're a flower, you bloom. When you are dirt, you do what dirt does. It allows flowers to bloom. Flowers die, dirt is transmuted into new life...

but there are rules and enforcers of Law... and they do not like to be cruel. Only the confused Kings of this world see cruelty and power as Pleasant. Believe me, we all have and will be there again...

Seek not the group which best typifies your ideals.... become the ideal you typify. Do not follow, unless you seek to be used.

I have faith that there are many more Kings here now than ever before.... many right here on this website. Do not fear, and if you fear, gradually seek to dispell the myths which lead you to fear. Do not hate. Do not judge. I call no man here or anywhere a pigdog. The pigdogs prove and judge themselves, and will eventually either enlighten themselves, or they will destroy themselves with an unworkable delusion or simple idiocy...

Survival of the fittest... is working on many levels... not just the level of human physical strength or physical makeup.

Those who delude themselves eventually drown in chaos...

Those that run from Truth will die the death of cattle.

Those fittest to survive are those who know that victimhood is the fault of the victim.

Soon, those victims will use their victimhood as an excuse to create great havoc.... as is seen in the MidEast....

America is not immune. I cannot see there being any other way but to let the degenerated masses kill themselves in another huge war.



[edit on 4-11-2009 by dunwichwitch]

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Wow you're a good writer =D.

I always thought of humans as capable of escaping the laws of nature.

If we are so smart, we should be able to eliminate this "natural selection" from our lives.


I saw a presentation by an African Yoruban, he said that a good person is immortal, not physically, but manifested in the mind of those who s/he has helped.


I lack the power to rule the world and change it according to my ideals. I can hardly talk to any of my friends because all they talk about is food, movies, grades, and gossips.

This is a difficult topic because there is the personal matter mentioned. To try and approach it with less than that... in other words, to try and offer a dispassionate opinion, leaves one open to a certain amount of misinterpretation.

My personal belief is that the human spirit, if left unmolested by outside influences that are meant to drive that opinion, there is a certain degree of success.

Many of us have and will encounter difficult times and from these contributions here on this forum, to assume the worst of someone is easy.

It was my intention to offer my best advice, based on absolutely no personal knowledge... but over five decades of my own.

Panic and fear are the enemy. Anger and distrust are the rats that hide in the closet and come out at night to ruin that which survives.

Strength comes from self determination and a desire to do well for others and self.

My apologies if my initial comments caused distress but, I stand by my words and my convictions in wishing you... and everyone well.

-R

We all live in our own world.

Enough said.