you have to think the us is responsible for 9-11 if.....

1. you believe that members of al-qeida flew big planes into various buildings on 9-11
2. you agree (willingly or not) that the us is responsible for the creation of the taliban
3. you understand that out of the creation of the taliban there was another lil creation started, that of al-qeida.
4. you realize that the us funded, supported logistically and through military training al-qeida in all they need to know on how to kill us citizens.

Now if you take 1-4, and add to that the fact that after the fall of USSR, the US left these mujjahideen fighters with the equipment and freedom and time to machinate
the most terrifying suicide mission to date, then you realize that the creation of this whole sh*t falls back into the lap of the us government.
It was also done with Sadaam

Now I guess it's time to clean up the mess that was created in Iraq.

Who knows maybe the us gov will one day decide the same about the situation they've created with Israel.

So you are blaming the USA for 9/11? If youare then the avatar explains it.

If history has shown anything, it is the interconnectedness of complex geopolitical events. In the same manner you've shown here, one could also argue that certain Roman Empire policies supporting the Christians near the end of their empire has led to the 9-11-2001 attack as well.

U.S. complicity in Mideastern region turmoil? Certainly.

Does that make the U.S. government "responsible" for the 9-11-2001 attack? No.

another rush and s. hannity groupie

So you are condeming me for being right-wing?

close.Is.2.c the majority of the individuals involved in 9/11 were of Saudi Arabian decent. As far as Iraq is concerned that was in relation to the cold war, a Russian invention. With relation to the Taliban again an agency supported by the Soviet Union which they later tried to address.

All the sh*t fall on Europe as they are the only place the weapons Saddam Hussein can reach. The question becomes does the US give enough of a d@^^ to get involved? And that is the question??????

There are those who if they had the power would split this planet in half. How fortunate for you and unfortunate for us that this is not possible.

The mess in Iraq was produced by the same mentality that causes you to present yourself (avatar) as you do now. A society which has virtually legalized the abuse of
drugs and does not give a D@66 about anyone but themselves.

The Caucasian races of the United States are in North America. Because their ancestors felt that the society you claim as soooo superior, was not worth the time of day

As far as Israel her people were not residence of North America when 6 million of its population was gassed. As far as I am concerned its your diaper we are changing perhaps you should smile

Originally posted by Toltec
With relation to the Taliban again an agency supported by the Soviet Union which they later tried to address.

the soviet union never funded the taliban.
they were only occupying afghanistan because they were supposed to turn into a socialist gov't under a contract made from before.
then the u.s. arrived on the scene... after the entire ordeal... the soviet soldiers left.
the ussr did nothing to promote the new gov't that was set-up.
they only helped them build new universities, medical research facilities, and such before the new gov't.

the ussr did nothing to promote the new gov't that was set-up. They only helped them build new universities, medical research facilities, and such before the new gov't.
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Boy sound like the USSR had really nothing to do with the Taliban. Perhaps this is why the Taliban attacked the US because it thought the USSR was completely innocent

The Taliban organization is based on a reaction to the USSR's aggression adjacent Afghanistan. The very foundation of its purpose is to address that issue. The USSR created the Taliban just like the cold war generated NATO.

The USA is fighting genocide as it has fought the issue against Stalin (cold war). The government that was set up was in response to USSR aggression (Taliban) was in response to same (Afghani vs. USSR war). The US is not responsible for changing the eastern hemispheric diaper. Afghanistan during the cold war was a USSR controlled area. Whatever misunderstandings in relation to the cold war (Moslem fanatic war against Israel) seem apparent as issues related to USSR manipulation.

PS: Echelon for the record lets not even get into the iisue that the USSR considered Organized crime as an aspect of its governemt.

Originally posted by Toltec
PS: Echelon for the record lets not even get into the iisue that the USSR considered Organized crime as an aspect of its governemt.

that's insane...
you know what they used to do to people involved in 'organized crime,' many times drug related...
they used to round them up at the square and shoot them all in the head so the public could see.
organized crime is more of an issue in russia now that the cp is gone.

Echelon they shoot people who are outside the actual families that actually have anything to do with the mob.

It looks good in relation to the masses

What is insane is that you know nothing about the full title of the USSR president, it includes head of the Mafia. That you do not know this establishes you as either a fraud or a person who has no idea what they are talking about.


Personally I feel it�s the latter.

Check you fact Echelon before you post on issues you know nothing about.

Originally posted by Toltec:

"What is insane is that you know nothing about the full title of the USSR president, it includes head of the Mafia. That you do not know this establishes you as either a fraud or a person who has no idea what they are talking about.
Personally I feel it�s the latter."

Oh yea Toltec, so when did the Berlin wall come down??
Was it in 1989? Or 1984 as you originally posted here:
xmb.abovetopsecret.com...

LOL, and you talk of being informed.


[Edited on 22-2-2003 by stanky]

September 3, 1971 Four Power's Agreement over Berlin
visiting becomes easier for West Berliners
June 12, 1987 President Ronald Reagan visits Berlin and urges Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall.

You are correct stanky the wall literally fell in 89, but I was thinking about these events.

As far as my information on the title of the leader of the USSR that is beyond any shadow of doubt. I am willing to admit my error an present data as to what I was cosidering, are you?

[Edited on 23-2-2003 by Toltec]

"you have to think the us is responsible for 9-11 if....." you read these links...........


Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban �migr�s, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

abcnews.go.com...

November 11, 2001 Fed. Gov. Debt Forgiveness in Calif. DUE All U.S. Citizens! This debt forgiveness and new money system will eventually flow worldwide. "Two days later on September 11, 2001, at 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time, Alan Greenspan, was scheduled to announce the new Treasury Bank system, DEBT FORGIVENESS for all U.S. citizens, and abolishment of the IRS as the first part of the public announcements of NESARA. Instead, at just before and after 9 a.m. EDT, planes attacked the World Trade Center. The attack on the WTC served to stop the announcement of NESARA because a crucial banking computer center on the first and second floors of the WTC was prevented from carrying out a computer system download to U.S. banks which was scheduled to begin at 9 A.M. EDT."

www.rangeguide.net...

Ive read all kinds of 911 so called " smoking gun " stuff but i came across this site a few weeks back and it has some interresting info about the events that lead upto 911.........its kinda long ....

www.my-brighton.co.uk...

According to the Yad Vashem, that number that is continually quoted--Six million people-- is actually not scientifically accurate.

"There is no precise figure for the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. The figure commonly used is the six million quoted by Adolf Eichmann, a senior SS official. Most research confirms that the number of victims was between five and six million. Early calculations range from 5.1 million (Professor Raul Hilberg) to 5.95 million (Jacob Leschinsky). More recent research, by Professor Yisrael Gutman and Dr. Robert Rozett in the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, estimates the Jewish losses at 5.59�5.86 million, and a study headed by Dr. Wolfgang Benz presents a range from 5.29 million to six million." Source: www.yadvashem.org...

So you see, it may even be as low as 5.1 million- we simply don't know, for whatever reasons. Just trying to provide some accuracy here.

Dont forget the rest of the calculation. The Poles, The French, The Hungarians, The Homosexuals, The mentaly unfit, the blacks, etc, etc, etc! All of it must be included.

Dont once again single the Jews out, count them all!

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Dont forget the rest of the calculation. The Poles, The French, The Hungarians, The Homosexuals, The mentaly unfit, the blacks, etc, etc, etc! All of it must be included.

Dont once again single the Jews out, count them all!

As well as the gypsies--- and I COMPLETELY agree. One wonders how the numbers truly break down in reality!

Originally posted by MKULTRA

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Dont forget the rest of the calculation. The Poles, The French, The Hungarians, The Homosexuals, The mentaly unfit, the blacks, etc, etc, etc! All of it must be included.

Dont once again single the Jews out, count them all!

As well as the gypsies--- and I COMPLETELY agree. One wonders how the numbers truly break down in reality!

... and communists.

after seeing some of the evidence that points to the fact it was not a passenger plane that hit the pentagon on 9-11, and some of the related facts about that entire day... it does make you wonder at how much crap we all got fed (and are still being fed) about the world situation.

I'd like to believe it was a tragic c**k-up in communications, rather than a huge conspiracy to get the americans and europeans focussing on the middle east and afghanistan - but some of what I've read online leaves me wondering.

It's possible to wander at length through a mass of evidence and counter-evidence, all filled with varying degrees of propaganda...

Yes, I do believe that the US has armed and militarized many nations only later to turn its face the other way. We probably do many things that we later regret or that backfire on our country and its people.

But hind sight is 20-20 and many times the immediate gains through diplomacy (or hand-outs similiar to those that will be granted this week for the 5 needed votes on resolution 2) outweight the long term implications.

I am not a political person, but watch the news constantly. It is a shame, we are limited to the BBC and CNN for world views.

Going to war is not the answer, but it is difficult for a powerful nation to turn the other cheek. If we do than there might be a chance in my lifetime to travel the world and experience other cultures. For now the Pyramids of Gieza shall have to wait.

Our number 1 problem is not humanity, it is our density. Conflicts arise when there are too many for the space we occupy.

Anyone who doesn't feel joy for the dad who is re-united with his son after returning in the movie Armagedeon, maybe doesn't have a grasp of what love really is. It was just typical that it took a great event to bring them together like it takes most of us also.

Hopefully someday we will all fly free of any borders or political agenda's. Good luck to you all and may GOD spare us for another millenium.

Freebird

[Edited on 23-2-2003 by freebird]