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Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by heliosprime
What's your evidence that this prophetic verse is refering to America? Prophetic verse is often so nebulous that it could apply to anyone, or anything, that happens after it's recorded.
Most of what you're referencing to began happening long before President Obama came along...
Corruption has been around for as long as man has had govt of anysort. ...and will continue on into the forseeable future.
Originally posted by Sundancer
I don't understand why the Op feels God would abandon everyone that follows the above creed as well as the American people have. And do you really think God would be that angry with America in the short time Obama's been president? Republican politicians who have sex with minors didn't make him angry?
Sad that you can't see both parties should get equal credit for making God so happy with the states.
Originally posted by debunky
reply to post by nomorecruelty
So leviticus doesn't apply anymore?
It isn't canon? didnt know that, and must confess that i haven't read more than a few single lines from the bible. So help me out here: Isn't leviticus the one where it says that man shall not lie down with man or somesuch?
It's an honest question:
How is the rule about menstruating women inferior to the rule about sex before marriage? How do you know?
Since the number of women who don't sleep in barns during their mestruation is propably higher than the number of women who have sex before marriage, wouldn't it make sense that he is a lot more upset about that?
Or are you just ignoring the parts that would be hard to follow? since you would have to build a barn, while you only don't have to be gay to not sleep with men.
Originally posted by heliosprime
Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by heliosprime
What's your evidence that this prophetic verse is refering to America? Prophetic verse is often so nebulous that it could apply to anyone, or anything, that happens after it's recorded.
Most of what you're referencing to began happening long before President Obama came along...
Corruption has been around for as long as man has had govt of anysort. ...and will continue on into the forseeable future.
The evidence is that the "verses" are addressed to Israel. This included the lost sheep (ten tribes) and judeah. The english speaking countries are the fulfillment of the promise to Ephriam and mannesseth (part of the lost sheep).
Devine intervention in the creation of america is rather obvious to those "with eyes to see" and our history is full of God's blessing until the 1960's when prayer was banned, then 74 and abortion legal. Since that time america has been lead away from the keeping of the Lords commanments year by year.
Now the enemy that attacked american on Spet 11th 2001 has a "son" as president.
Originally posted by Lichter daraus
reply to post by seagull
All religion is garbage, you don't need religion to believe, that comes with our free will.
[edit on 07/16/2009 by Lichter daraus]
[edit on 07/16/2009 by Lichter daraus]
Originally posted by nomorecrueltyThere were numerous "laws" of the ancient days that no longer apply to mankind today. What part of that is so difficult to understand.
Taking God from schools
Originally posted by subject x
Originally posted by nomorecrueltyThere were numerous "laws" of the ancient days that no longer apply to mankind today. What part of that is so difficult to understand.
The difficult part is understanding how one determines which laws still apply and which ones don't. Did God send out a memo I didn't get?
It seems to me that faith is an "all or nothing" kind of thing. You either believe what's in the Bible, or you don't. As soon as you start to pick and choose which laws are relevant today and which ones aren't, yet still hold that the Bible is "God's word", you get into a very fuzzy area.
So if you think any law from the Bible can be ignored as "not applying to mankind today", you do not have faith in the word of God, and will, of course, burn in Hell for all eternity.
I'd also like to thank Rev. Phelps for starting this fine thread....
Originally posted by dawnstar
the constitution gives us FREEDOM OF RELIGION!!!
weather that religion is catholic, protestant, muslim, jewish, budhist, ect.
you said you wanted to ban everything that isn't judeo-christian!
well, ya know what. Then all these muslims, all the budhists, all those people following all those other religions should never have been allowed in our country, or they should have been informed that they were expected to convert upon entering and given the option of staying or leaving.
but, our constitution gives them the right to have any religious views they want, and well, not believing in a god is a religious view!
when I went to school, we had it where everyone had the option to get relgious education. They could chose which denomination they followed and were allowed to walk (or maybe they were bused to the churches that weren't in walking distance) for it. Why would they do that, oh ya, the protestants, the catholics, the methodists, they all couldn't decide on one doctrine to present to all those kids! To accept any, would be to say that some were wrong!
Originally posted by reasonable
funny.. my grandfather, father and I are all atheists and have had nothing but wonderful lives. My grandfather was successful, had a great family, beutiful wife.. same with my father who is still happy as can be retired and traveling/enjoying life to the max. I am a non-believer and everything in my life has worked out very well.. great career, wife, kids, live in a beautiful place etc. How can this be? I am a blasphemer, support Obama, support gay rights, support separation of church & state and more 'evil' stuff. Shouldn't I be covered in boils and tumors?