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Originally posted by ecoparity
The Airbus may fly first but based on past history it will probably also suffer the first crash. I haven't really studied the statistics but I do seem to have this perception that quite a few Airbus jets have crashed which have been relatively new planes.
It would lead one to certain conclusions about the process for working all the bugs out of them extending into live service.
Originally posted by ecoparity
...My point was that I disagree with your claim that the majority of Airbus incidents have been due to "pilot error", I read over the incident reports listed and it seems most of them were due to new systems which did not behave as experienced pilots expected them to. (Such as auto pilot disengaging if the controls are moved).
I didn't realize the point of the thread was only to bash Boeing and that any other discussion of the two companies (comparisons which were brought in by other posters, not me) was off topic. I'll leave you to it, then.
Originally posted by ecoparity
The cases you refer to were all actually mostly cases of the pilots not being familiar with some aspect of the new "fly by wire" systems. In the Russian crash where the kid was at the controls the pilots didn't know the auto pilot has disengaged when the flight controls were moved, if I remember right it was a silent disengage (which is one of the stupidest features I can think of if that is indeed the case). I'd split the responsibility right in the middle between the training program and Airbus on that one.
Originally posted by ecoparity
On the other hand his top rated planes for safety include two Airbus models, slightly more Boeing and a commuter jet. The Airbus A340 had a perfect record going up until two planes in a row went down in short order this past year.
I did find it interesting that the Airbus fly by wire only allows pilot over ride as long as the plane is within the "operating envelope".
I once spent a summer flying on a certain Phoenix based carrier twice per week on nothing but Airbus jets and I have to say, the quality was not impressive. A value carrier might have more maintenance issues than most but almost every flight was delayed for mechanical problems and the interior of the planes was trashed. For all that the airline had a perfect safety record at that time though so once again - perception has an effect.
Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by RichardPrice
Amazing how much inaccurate info there is on aviation websites about Airbus planes... The last two to go down weren't even the same model apparently and AFIAK aren't even in the same airframe family.
Airbus makes some sweet deals, as for the airlines IMO they're "penny wise and pound foolish".
Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by RichardPrice
So anyone who disagrees with you is a troll then? When you're a bit older and wiser you'll be able to accept the fact that people don't always see eye to eye on things. Its OK, the World will continue to spin and life will go on.
A few posts back Allowances had to be made for all the "developing countries" who use Airbus products. I'm sure that's because they all bought the most expensive airplanes they could get.
I realize its not fair but if a couple of 800 passenger plus versions of the A380 are lost in a short time span the modern business model of lowest costs possible may very well find itself under public and media scrutiny in a bad way. (Now notice I've said "may", once again my personal opinion which you can feel free to agree or disagree with).
One is a statement of personal opinion, the other an assertion of an unsupported fact.
I really wasn't aware there was such a "Napoleon complex" at play among the Airbus community.
Sorry, I disagree completely with the excuses given why the crash per million flights rate of Airbus planes is so much higher than the Boeing planes and beyond my own personal opinion and bias really don't give a damn.
Statistics are garbage? Hey, you know what? Whatever makes you feel better. If that works for you then
Originally posted by Mogget
Yet another thread where a die hard Boeing fan tries to slag off Airbus. When will it end?