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zionism is a lie : the myth of the exile

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posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:36 AM
history of the jews revised by a jew historian from Tel Aviv University (Shlomo Sand)

Palestinian are the true and only descendants of the mythical kingdom of David.

According to Sand, the description of the Jews as a wandering and self-isolating nation of exiles, "who wandered across seas and continents, reached the ends of the earth and finally, with the advent of Zionism, made a U-turn and returned en masse to their orphaned homeland," is nothing but "national mythology." Like other national movements in Europe, which sought out a splendid Golden Age, through which they invented a heroic past - for example, classical Greece or the Teutonic tribes - to prove they have existed since the beginnings of history, "so, too, the first buds of Jewish nationalism blossomed in the direction of the strong light that has its source in the mythical Kingdom of David." So when, in fact, was the Jewish people invented, in Sand's view? At a certain stage in the 19th century, intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people "retrospectively," out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people. From historian Heinrich Graetz on, Jewish historians began to draw the history of Judaism as the history of a nation that had been a kingdom, became a wandering people and ultimately turned around and went back to its birthplace.

that the official history of the jew started to be preached little more than one century ago would lead one to make scary hypothesis about the reasons behind this (and therefore holocaust).

zionism is based on a monstrous lie. like the rest...

EDIT: was sent by u2u this link to an article with too many things to quote, so you will have to click
Zionism: The Dead End of the Oppressor :

[edit on 15-10-2009 by ::.mika.::]

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:50 AM
That was unexpected but not surprising. It paves the way for some serious questions about other things.

Nice find S&F

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 03:58 AM
It is interesting certainly, and thank you or sharing it. But you claim he is a Jew Historian, although he himself claims otherwise in the article itself.

"It is true that I am an historian of France and Europe, and not of the ancient period. I knew that the moment I would start dealing with early periods like these, I would be exposed to scathing criticism by historians who specialize in those areas.

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 04:01 AM
reply to post by Oscitate

i claim he's a jew historian as to mean : he's Jew and he is Historian !

as to avoid the antisemite/negationnist bull# recurrent to any discussion about zionism (not all jews are zionist, not all zionists are jews)

edit: beside read his criticism about the way the History of judaism is separated from the "common" History in the israeli zionist academia.

why is that if i may ask ?

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posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 04:14 AM
He has a theory. It might be true and it might be false too. What is true is that you without at least reading his book (i do not even speak about books of his critiques) jump to conclusions based on newspaper article. Cool.
And his theory has one huge flaw - it is based on assumptions only. For example explaining relatively huge communities of Jews in Spain or Eastern Poland only as a result of converts is unfit for a historian , even one of "France and Europe". Before Muslim invasion to Spain there were numerous decrees by Visigoth kings concerning forced baptism of Jews. what Jews then? If they did not arrive yet at all according to professor Sand? And as for Poland - it is accepted by modern historians that Polish Jewish community expanded most drastically in the time of first crusade ,when Jews from Western Europe fled all the violence into Poland. Since Khazaria fell in late 900, explosion of Jewish population (all the sudden speaking German) 200 years later cannot be explained as this guy sees it.
But you know, if this theory rocks your boat without even reading it - i am ok with it. Just don't expect other people to blindly accept it.

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 04:34 AM
Zionism did begin as you say in the OP

From the First Zionist Congress (1897) to the Twelfth (1921) By David Mendelsson ... ...

From the First Zionist Congress (1897) The first Zionist Congress was to have taken place in Munich, Germany.
However, due to considerable opposition by the local community leadership, both Orthodox and Reform, it was decided to transfer the proceedings to Basle, Switzerland. ...

but the underlying theme of getting a homeland, was a long whispered idea among the disbursed/exiled 'Jews' for more than 1,000 years,
as we are led to believe.


Mordecai, was a Benjamite yet he was called YEHUDA (Judean)
upon his refusal to bow to the idol(s) ~ or else it was Yehidi (unique) ~
[[such is the intentional double entendre, common in the Jewish culture/language]]

and yes, it is accepted by some, the Israelite tribes assimilated with the indigenious semites of the Palestine >Cannann>Kennites

some sources referenced (Midrash, Sohar), as i researched other things:

posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 06:49 AM
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

well spot i didn't read his book.

i'm more into transmitting the info there and why not connecting points that fit together.

true, it is a theory however seemingly much better based than zionist theory, this one unfortunately not being perceived as theory but as fact.

a fact justifying occupation, discrimination & killing with the good blessing of the western world.

let's connect

due to considerable opposition by the local community leadership, both Orthodox and Reform

so basically zionism was opposed by the local Jewish community... hmmm
think about that, why would they oppose them since it is about giving them back their land promised for millenia ? maybe they had no clue about what these "zionist" were talking about...

now jump second world war,
and maybe lenny brenner work :

After the Holocaust began in 1942, Eichmann dealt regularly with Dr. Rudolf Kastner, a Hungarian Jew, whom he considered a “fanatical Zionist.” Kastner was later assassinated in Israel as a Nazi collaborator. At issue then, however, was the bargaining over the eventual fate of Hungary’s Jews, who were slated for liquidation in the Nazi-run death camps. Eichmann said this about Kastner, the Zionist representative, “I believe that [he] would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal. He was not interested in old Jews or those who had become assimilated into Hungarian society. ‘You can have the others,’ he would say, ‘but let me have this group here.’ And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful. I would let his groups escape.”

tough one : so the anti-zionists were sent to the camps and the zionists not...
and so the true memory of the jewish people (along with the tzigane let's not forget them as the MSM do) was lost: what a nice and clear open path for zionist "truth"...

who wins WWII exactly ?

but that is only connecting points based on theories and interpretation of facts (those 51 docs are) you're right zeroknowledge. (let's keep on the good job making wars justified by heavy propaganda never questioned)

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posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:31 PM
reply to post by ::.mika.::

What points? You connect the well-known fact that there were a lot of anti-Zionists in Jewish community before 1948 with theory that speaks about modern Jews being mostly converts and then this with another fact that certain Zionists dealt with Nazi officials. Wow. This gives us clear picture of what exactly? How could ethnic history be replaced if religious Jews for thousands of years read the same stories in synagogues and prayed every day "next year in re-built Jerusalem"? Zionism created myths, this is for sure. Heroic myths. In Judaism people who dies in Messada never were considered heroes. Zionism however adopted it as part of its ethos. There are similar cases of same magnitude. But nor you nor Professor Sand will find any Jewish ancient text speaking about abandoning Israel as a national home.Coming back is associated with Messaiah and not with some bunch of pro-socialistic secular people, but it exists and is part of daily life of religious Jew , if he is in Spain/Poland/US or Antarctica.
Here are few citations from ancient prayers that predate Zionism by loooooong time:

If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you, if I do not set Jerusalem above my highest joy

Rings a bell?

Next Year in Jerusalem

is said twice a year, in Yom Kippur and in Pesah. For thousands of years.
Every meal religious Jew prays:

Have mercy Lord, our God...on Jerusalem Your city, on Zion the resting place of Your glory, on the monarchy of King David Your anointed, and on the great and holy Temple upon which Your name is called...Rebuild Jerusalem, the holy city, soon in our days. Blessed are you God who rebuilds Jerusalem in His mercy, amen

So few questionable theories and connection of non-existing dots will not remove Jewish claim to Israel and Jerusalem.
This claim does not justify

occupation, discrimination & killing with the good blessing of the western world.

but not Jewish side started spilling blood in current conflict and while you can safely state that Jewish side does more damage then the other - this is only because Israel is now stronger. If Palestinians would get upper hand - there would be much more blood spilled.

posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 08:21 AM
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

i understand it is tough to consider, but you'll get over it, with time, and in time hopefully.

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