Death. What is it?

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Death. What is it?

Simplified it is "Illusion" because there is no "Death" only from current human perspective/perception/understanding/consciousness -When you leave the body which is only your vehicle for the soul you immediately have a much clearer understanding/consciousness than when occupying your vehicle/body. The other side is much more "Alive/Real" than this one and this lifetime will seem like a "Short, Faded, Memory" upon exiting your temporary vehicle that you are only borrowing for this lifetime. Your eternal soul or the "Real You" looks nothing like what you see when you look in the mirror. "All Souls" are nothing but light/energy/intelligence like a small star would appear in the sky. That is all you are--So you can see "Light" is all the same and we are "All the same" and come from the same source interconnected to all things within the universe!
The Universe wastes nothing and recycles everything!
Awaken Your Consciousness, Open Your Minds!
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Originally posted by OrphenFire
My only conclusion is that if there is no afterlife, then when you die, you re-experience your life forever. You cannot be in nothingness, so your death is your birth.

I seriously hope that you are wrong. To re-experience my life over and over? No thanks. It'd be like the movie Groundhog Day, only a whole lifetime of it, over and over again, forever.

THAT would be Hell.

Death is what you make it out to be, so choose wisely.

The word death is only a word so make of it what you will and live for the moment.

thINKING HAS TO DO WITH THE INIDIVIDUAL PART OF REALITY THE KNOWING COMES WITH THE WHOLE PART OF INDIVIDUALITY.





[edit on 15-10-2009 by menguard]

We are apparently all deathless in any sense of permanence to what is a transitory state in a universe of spin within spin within spin:
Universe means Everything which is all things existent within a perceptual time span; meaning that the totality of all things composing everything is All Time as expressive to an extrapolated binary, polarity, Universe of Timeless Entirety in Eternity. All at an individual perception thereto being a myopic illusional atomic molecular delusion of the particle composite mind beset by gobbledegook, gobbledegook, flobbergob & buggerlugs befuddlement ~ bejabbers, bejeebers, begorrah Ha Ha Ha.
Its along way to Tipperary but not so far from the Ballybunion I know; so don't you step on my blue suede leprechaun shoes!

My blarney grandfather Joseph has much to answer for ~ he being perceived after his death, as a powerful beam of white light to my latter day mindful psychic perception of his passing through consciousness on his last moments way to metaphysical rebirth, time crossed cross referenced somehow, I imagine. And given there is a future hale & hearty world to be metaphysically reborn to.
Otherwise its back into the loopy stars from whence we come as space oddity, daisy chain, Saganite starstuff.
G'night! or is it G'day in your hemispherical SETI location?
"Mammals characteristically nuzzle, fondle, hug, caress, pet, groom and love their young, behavior essentially unknown among reptiles.
'Cosmos' Chapter XIII Who Speaks for Earth? Carl Sagan.

Crocodiles could be the reptile exception here, given that female crocodiles are known to guard their nest eggs and their young for a while, to the extent of digging them out of the nest when they noisily hatch; carrying them in her gaping jaws down to the water where she continues to guard them from predators.
I appear to have gone off topic again!
That's what happens when you think in a global spin rather than straight & narrow linear.
It is my belief that the evolved complexity of the adult human mind as a metaphysical perception can only evolve so complex in conjunction with an evolving physical human body engaging with the given world environment through a lifetime. The evolved disembodied spirit complex at body death 'unravels' backwards through time to its particulate simple mind beginning at conception, to repeat eternally recurring. However, I am
persuaded that the last metaphysical moment at the time of physical body 'death' go forward ~ quantum leap ~ to a new metaphysical spirit embodiment of an as yet unknown newly conceived future infant. Given that mankind has not nuked themselves to extinction in fission fireballs before then.
Such a possible future scenario suggests to me that world rejection suicides might necessarily thereto reincarnate metaphysically as the aborted & stillborn.
We live in a dreadful universe if you choose to perceive it so.
If it is as I perceive it to metaphysically be, then suicide bombers reincarnate as lowly abortions, which then reincarnate as lowly microbes et cetera. A metaphysical DNA snakes & ladders, it seems.
To put a reductio ad absurdam Sufi spin on things, then it could be perceived that the spin experienced in the Little Boy & Fatman fission fireballs by Hiroshima & Nagasaki engulfed inhabitants, are the tightest of little 'Sufi' spins to globally suffer as evolved composite human beings made up of many billions of sentient molecular atoms eternal.
Do not go into that dark night, rage, rage, against the dying of the light, Dylan!

"I am so small I can barely be seen.
How can this great love be inside me?

Look at your eyes. They are small,
but they see enormous things."
Jelaluddin Rumi. Sufi poet of spin:
Translated by Coleman Barks, also in a metaphysical woof, woof, woof, Sufi spin:
Old King Cole was a merry old soul!
Silly old fool!
Who?
I, You, He, She, We ~~~ are written in the Sea of Faith Sands of Time: as forever fools:

reply to post by OrphenFire


I would say just another transition. Rather like birth. Well, exactly like a birth.

reply to post by OrphenFire


Death. What is it?

I have to agree with ET and others above. Death is an illusion. But only from the perspective of who you identify youself with. As far as your body and your personality goes, well yea, death is final. Your birthdate isn't coming back and when you die, you die.

But if you see yourself as more than your physical, your emotional and even your lower mental body, then death is an illusion. Consciousness and awareness persists and survives death. In other words, death is different for all of us as it depends on our position in life.

For the unevolved, it's been said by a Master of Wisdom, death is "literally a sleep and a forgetting, for the mind is not sufficiently awakened to react."

For the average citizen death is a "continuance of the living process in consciousness and a carrying forward of the interests and tendencies of the life".

For the wicked and cruelly selfish, " there eventuates that condition which is called "earth-bound". The links they have forged with earth and the earthward bias of all their desires, force them to remain close to the earth and their last setting in the earth environment."

And for the aspirant and the evolved "death is an immediate entrance into a sphere of service and of expression to which he is well accustomed and which he at once recognises as not new."

See the Tibetan's view on Death.

[edit on 18-10-2009 by Neo__]

I'm here now. I suppose I could just as easily be somewhere else after experiencing what we term as death. The jury is still out on the subject I believe.

Life has had a way of making me expect the worst but I continue to hope for the best. Sure I would like an afterlife, but I have no say in the matter. Not even in this life was I given the option to exist or not. My parents and ancestors decided on that for me. So I really don't expect anything post-life, but I'd be happily surprised if I indeed continue to exist in some fashion. I'd also like to win the lottery, but doubt greatly that this will happen.

When I read of NDEs and past life memory recall by others, these stories maintain my intrigue and hope in some other existence beyond this one.

I don't like to be a fence-sitter, but on the subject of spirituality I've decided its best. I hope there is truth to it and life/death is some some silly exercise (punishment?) we have to go through, but I really don't expect anything after I take my last breath.

[edit on 18-10-2009 by Frith]

It is all Ohmic...the receiving set is broken down, and can no longer receive the signal of life. It has worn out. The cosmic vibration called the soul, which is uniquely tuned to each one of us, lifts out, and back out into the ethereal oneness of everything. The all power. The cosmic spark goes on and on. It also evolves as it goes. The mystery of life is that we live life here and now, to prepare a brief moment of cosmic time and space for another. Personality and ego have nothing to do with it, other than how purely we can use it, and return it to it origins.

Some people have actually died, and come back in another life, and remember their past life in vivid details that can be verified.

Others, ( like me ) have been clinically dead, and crossed over to a different plane of consciousness...you never the same afterwards. There are two levels of memories. The here and now everyday memory, and the purely energy-life sourced one. That one never ends. It is not the one you have used to remember rote lessons...that one dies. (flesh memory)

I have come to understand that many people will never grasp what I am writing about, nor, will they understand that life is actually quiet simplistic.
Religions that are about power and control of wealth and destiny, have deluded mankind to think he is has to genuflect to some supreme gorgon or another...which is corruption.

Basic Man survived just fine for eons without the conflictual incantations of some witchdoctors mumbo jumbo being spat at him. Once it began, man lost his way. Now everyone asks, Why am I here, what am I supposed to do?

Mans basic instincts of life and reason for being have been debauched and bastardized. To wit, look how we are living today. Everything else lives as it has since it first evolved. Not Man. Man lives completely out of context to his environment and his purpose as a human being.

Death is nothing more than a step though a sub conscious doorway into another time and place eventually as something or someone else. It is a cycle. Don't fear or blame gods spark of life. It is what it is.

Originally posted by BaronVonGodzilla

Originally posted by fleetlord
Hmmm... I have an example.
Ever had those nights when you did not dream at all, and woke up immediately after going to sleep?
I imagine death to be somtehing like a dreamless sleep, but longer and without the waking up part.

Me too. That is nothingness.

You go to sleep, turn over and the clock says it's morning. You slept 8 hours like a rock, no dreams, no tossing and turning, just a black spot in your memory, and the sun is up where once was the dark sky.

Death is the end of all.

That is what makes life so precious, what makes every single life so valuable and what makes the terrible crimes of this world intolerable.

Actually, I still feel that time has gone by after I wake up.

At this point, no one can say what happens after death. Even people who have had NDEs haven't ''crossed over'' some kind of boundary as they returned to life.

We'll all find out what happens after death some day.

There are two possibilities as I see it:

The first has to do with the well known fact that time is an illusion. All events in space-time happen simultaneously, we only perceive the passage of time as a consequence of our human condition.

When we die we will have no perceptions beyond that point, but all of our other moments will continue to exist, and we will perceive them. I believe this may play out in our minds by us randomly experiencing moments throughout our lives, for eternity. For example: At this moment I'm experiencing sitting at my computer writing this, and I believe that I've been here for a while because of the memories I have; however, it may be that one moment ago I experienced being 84 years old, and next moment I'll experience being 48.

The second possibility has to do with the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum physics, and specifically the quantum immortality theory that it leads to.

The Many Worlds Interpretation says that for every quantum decision (i.e. whether a photon bounces off of a tinted window or goes through it) every possibility is realized in different realities. If this is the case, then when we die, we will remain alive and conscious in one of the alternate realities. For example: If I get shot in the head, there's a remote, but real possibility that the bullet will quantum tunnel through my head and I will go unharmed. Rinse and repeat for everytime you might die, and you have immortality.

[edit on 10/19/2009 by LiquidLight]

A simplification of life.

THERE YA GO.

We all experience the world with our consciousness. If every single thinking being in the universe were to die, there would be nothing left to experience. So who thought and experienced? If you say that nothing awaits, then are we already in that nothingness? It does not compute. Feel free to tear my observation apart, I am quite insane.

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Insane ~ Outsane ~ Upsane ~ Downsane:
'No Worries' as is often said in the dinki~di land Down Under:

We are all of us the thoughts of Universe and being the thoughts of Universe we take responsibility for the thoughts we express on behalf of Universe:
These can to perception be benevolent thoughts or they can be malevolent thoughts:
They can also to interpretation be 'Beast' thoughts in consideration of the Universal thought that the thrice said commandment 6~6~6 is thou shalt do no murder:
Insane ~ Outsane ~ Upsane ~ Downsane: In a universe of spirally spin in spin:
Given that DEMONstrably sane mankind have 27,000 Little Boy & Fatman type fission fireball nuclear devices in their enormous arsenals, capable of new clear murdering 50 billion people, then the the original question posited by OphenFire as 'Death. What is it?' has become 'Megadeath. What is it?
Perhaps the whole thing should be deleted as 'off topic'

It has long amused me to know that the botanic scientific name for the Banana genus is Musa, which is Arabic for Moses:
O yes we have no bananas is a silly song to bananas sing!

reply to post by Lichter daraus


I dont think of it as Negitive Thinking. Matter of Fact I think of it as positive thinking. "My Dream" is that people will realize that there is no afterlife and try to make this world a better place, our own Heaven/Paradise on Earth not just a stepping stone to something better.

If there is a god, I hope he will overlook my confusion and misguidedness and see that my intentions were good and that I have lived a life full of helping my fellow man.

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Excuse me for butting in on your exchange with Lichter daraus, CowboyDrifter, but my earthbound psychic/telepathy understanding of the Universal Agenda is that ET's who have attained Cosmic Consciousness are of a mind to think ~~~ we forgive those who forgive themselves for what they forgive themselves for ~~~ Eternally Recurring to Sentience:

If you fear death cause you think thats the end, and its all just Blackness afterwards. then dont sweat it, cause if your "right" you`ll never know it !!!Because it will be all black nothingness no memory, no fear, no time nothing. HA!!
I of couse do believe there is a place beyond our physical body. I think this bacause of obe`s I`ve had, and some of the fasinating stories I`ve read of people who have died and returned.
Also I have to ask myself why would GOD give us life and memory of that life just to end it in total unknowing darkness at the end?
An ideai had when i was young and was thinking of "Judgement Day", was if you died and there was no conception of time after death. Then say after i died judgement day was not for another,say 1500 years. then for me judgement day would be instantly after I died seeing as how i had no conception of time after i died.
Of course at the time those thoughts came under the influiences of controlled substances. HA

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Cessation of brain function, accompanied by, cessation of respiration= Death (the physical death anyway).
The true death or release of the spirit.....well thats a long up-hill debate that I'm sure you will agree, not many will agree upon (pardon the pun).

Death to the Ancient Greeks was Thanatos, the half~brother of Hypnos, sleep.
Thanatos is in our time usually depicted as the grim reaper but in ancient times Thanatos was to be seen sculpted on sarcophagi as a cupid like cherub associated with a gentle passing
en.wikipedia.org...
Sigmund Freud's theory of drives concerns the oppositional interplay of a death drive (Thanatos), with that of the life drive (Eros) in the human psyche.
www.artknowledgenews.com...
Perhaps one should just play possum where death is concerned, is the contrary flippant thought!

A reason I chose Epipactis as a code name was because as a boy I had a pet budgerigar called Pip. Seated on his perch looking into the circular mirror with dangling bell that hung from the cage top, Pip would parrot the words Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall, followed more often than not by a quick fire repetition of, Humpty Dumpty, Humpty Dumpty, Humpty Dumpty~~~who's a pretty boy then!
Anyway, Leadbeaters possum is one to be aware of. It lives in the 100 meter tall Mountain Ash, Eucalyptus regnans forests of the Dandenong and Yarra ranges in S.E. Australia. Which are subject to periodic bush fire conflagrations. In fact the only way for the mountain ash to regenerate in nature is with the aid of fire first clearing the ground and thereby they continue to be the dominant species. Such a survival strategy means that all mountain ash trees in a particular area tend to be of the same age, having germinated after a rampaging bush fire had cleared the forest understorey of tree ferns, allowing sunlight to penetrate to the ground. which along with nutrient ash, and copious rainfall in season, ensured the continuation of the mountain ash as the dominant species of tree.
I understand that the Giant Sequoias I observed growing in the Sierras about Lake Tahoe have a similar need of forest fire to aid germination. Although there the aged parent trees have fire retardatory bark and usually survive any forest fire that kills neighboring pines etc.

Anyway back to Thanatos & Eros!
My cosmic consciousness understanding is that stellar plasma fusion generated 'Holy Ghost halos' are a functional part of the machinations of Universe evolving in its revolving.
Such 'Holy Ghost halos' function in the way of ejaculation enforcers, both physically & metaphysically, and pertaining thereto firstly with respect to the male regenerative organ ( a sort of cosmic viagra I guess you could call it). In my once only, mid 1990's, auto~erotic experience of an ejaculation enforcer Holy Ghost halo, I seemed at the time to be in telepathy connection with a likewise afflicted 'abandoned' Australian son, of his seductive mother's upbringing. The DNA serpent coiled in every cell of the human body tempts us all to its purpose, one way or another.
Metaphysically however, the throat chakra of communication is 'Holy Ghost haloed' in the way of being an interstellar ejaculation enforcer; where murderers and the like are concerned, and as justified by their own conscience in Universe eternally recurring ~ is my own petrified, but later released as justifiably innocent experience; as a messenger boy exemplar, I presume.
You may laugh if you so choose at the crazy fiction of it, perhaps & maybe!

Mind you, thinking about it some more, some guys might find it to be a rapture of some sort to be metaphysically ejaculated by a movement restricting neck collar Holy Ghost halo, back to the 'Saganite starstuff' from whence they Holy Ghost come.
In a world where mankind have 27,000 Little Boy & Fatman type fission fireball devices in their enormous hellish arsenals, everybody is looking to how best protect their own stupid binary butts ~ home to symbiotic E coli, the Methaniac Great Beast Satan. Ha Ha Ha Ha
A thought on Thanatos grim reapers.
The compulsory Islamic hijab worn by women gives them the appearance of ... whatever houri next!

Originally posted by OrphenFire
It's hard, almost impossible, to imagine true death.

You can get darned close. But most are too cowardly to go that far.

I cannot fathom what it would be like to not exist, because it would be like nothing.

probably because that scenario will never be.

Nothingness cannot be conceptualized in the mind.

In theory.

It is much easier to imagine infinity, eternity.

It shouldn’t be.

I can see myself existing forever, even after death. Perhaps I have a soul that will live on. Perhaps I will be born again in the future as someone new.

Perhaps.

My point is this. If death is really the end, then it is an awful concept. Can you think before you were born? No.

Let’s not get too hasty now. You can not speak for events you have no memory of.

There is no experience before you exist, so if you cease to exist, there will be no experience there, either.

Imagine the polar opposite of what you are saying. Isn’t that feasible?

So what happens on a personal level when you die? You don't experience eternal blackness, because that would infer that you still exist or live. No, you would not experience anything.

you sound rather sure of yourself.

My only conclusion is that if there is no afterlife, then when you die, you re-experience your life forever. You cannot be in nothingness, so your death is your birth.

very interesting idea; I’m inclined to believe you may be partially right.

Usually you cannot remember anything, but sometimes you might. This would be one explanation of Deja Vu.

very clever.

This is such a difficult idea to discuss, due to the extremely complex nature of the matter. Do you get what I'm trying to say, though?

Indeed, and I like where you are going with this, but I think you need to expand on it.

What are some of your thoughts on this subject?

I like that you are thinking of time differently than most, but you are imagining it linearly still. You are imagining time looping linearly.

I ask you to try to imagining your perception not being confined by 4 dimensions; the fourth dimension being time.

In theory, if you could perceive things in 4 dimensions as a whole, you would in fact be in multiple places at multiple times. I can go into further detail if needed but those are my thoughts on the subject more or less.

'Eye has not seen and ear has not heard'. We have had glimpses from near death experiences, but that is all. We won't know what death is until we experience it. Until then, it's just guess work.