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Originally posted by David9176
If you're anti-war...then party shouldn't change or give anyone any leeway when they aren't coming through on promises.
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by Southern Guardian
I'm not pinning the wars on Obama...they were there before he entered office....that's a given.
My gripe is that he received a reward based on peace and humanitarianism and he's done nothing in action proving so.
If you're anti-war...then party shouldn't change or give anyone any leeway when they aren't coming through on promises.
If Republicans controlled things right now...they'd be doing the same thing...we all know it.
Everyone says they want out...but no one gets us out. Yes, we should have never been in Iraq....no doubt about that....we should have been after the 9/11 culprits and help the people there by building schools and helping their community...not by killing innocents to get the bad guys.
Just remember that many of the people, I think, who are criticizing this are actually not Republicans as this many hurt their want for a troop increase. Sending out more troops after receiving the Nobel Peace Prize would look ridiculous...at least in my eyes.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Truth is, whether we support the war or not, we came into Iraq, caused that mess and its our duty to clear up behind ourselves.
Originally posted by Jenna
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It wasn't just Bush responsible for the wars, it was him and all of Congress. They had the ability and the opportunity to nip both wars in the bud, but they didn't. So really I blame everyone in Congress who voted for the wars more so than I do Bush. He has his share of the blame, but they have a larger portion since they were the ones with the power to stop it before it started.
As for Obama, the wars were already in place when he took office. He can't be faulted for starting them. He can, however, be held accountable for the actions he takes concerning them.
Dave with all Respect. My son was out there and are two of my nephews. Lets not dance. I hear you.
I disagree... I doubt they would have announced withdrawing troops. The republican platform on Iraq was to remain there until the "job was done". Sure Bush signed the agreement of two year withdrawal, but that was in response to the nature of the campaign and the need for John McCain to win. I believe that if Iraq was not among the topic of concern, Bush would have kept troops there and McCain would have followed suit.
Originally posted by Jenna
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Truth is, whether we support the war or not, we came into Iraq, caused that mess and its our duty to clear up behind ourselves.
Holy cow, Batman. I do believe I've finally found something you and I agree on SG. That's a sign of the end of the world right?
On a more topic-related note, blaming the wars solely on Obama is just asinine. However, as sitting president any escalations of those wars will rest squarely on his shoulders. Had the government not jacked around and basically ignored Afghanistan for the last 8 years I'm fairly confident that war would be coming to an end soon at the least.
It wasn't just Bush responsible for the wars, it was him and all of Congress.
As for Obama, the wars were already in place when he took office. He can't be faulted for starting them. He can, however, be held accountable for the actions he takes concerning them.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by Jenna
Holy cow, Batman. I do believe I've finally found something you and I agree on SG. That's a sign of the end of the world right?
Probably
The government has been slack, congress has been slack both republican and democrat. I agree.... this is such a complicated situation at the moment.... withdraw, only making those 9/11 attackers to think they "got away from it" but in that bringing soldiers home... and satisfying the truthers.... or keep troops there, keep the fight and the confidence of many families and those who felt the official story is legit.
Oh I agree... I frown whenever such politicians as Kerry and Clinton rally on against the warhawks... I mean where were they that day as well?
Well Im glad you recognise that fact. He has indeed got a big decision ahead of him regarding afghanistan... and which ever decision that it is it will be his doing as POTUS. So long as these wars rage on though... they will be pinned to who so ever is in office and that is unfortunate as the fault and circumstances can be attributed to so many.