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Originally posted by OmegaPoint
reply to post by hooper
Near impossible, yes.
On a side note, but perhaps related to the notion of 9/11 being "scripted", have you seen the video of a "passerby/witness" who we in the truth movement have come to fondly refer to as "Harley guy" because of his shirt and hat..?
But the evidence for explosives in the twin towers, that is what sinks the OS, and this passport issue simply reinforces everything.
Is it possible, or even probable, that you are dead wrong about this? About all of it? Is it possible that the 9/11 truth movement is mostly right?
What does the evidence say?
Me I try to look at it like Sherlock Holms, without any prejudice or bias, and in the final analysis, there is really only one conclusion that can be drawn, no matter how barbaric or heinous are the implications of that deduction.
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
[ might I suggest you do some research on the illustrious Chairman of the 9/11 Commission and the one who oversaw the vetting process for the final publication of the official narrative
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
reply to post by hooper
Take a close look at this
And the 9/11 Commission Chairman I was referring to was Philip Zelikow, more on him soon..
Crime of the Century
Originally posted by hooper
Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.
Without much of a scratch........
Actually, the passport was not found in the rubble, it was found by an unidentified person and turned over to a NYPD detective a block or so from the WTC before the towers collapsed. Its in the 9/11 Commision Report.
It, like a lot of things, survived the crash and was found. You may not want to believe it, but that is strictly a matter of personal choice. There is no scientific basis to declare the matter impossible.
Originally posted by SPreston
The Satam al-Suqami paper passport was allegedly found by a stranger and handed to a NYPD detective who of course neglected to get the stranger's name and address.
But of course there is no chance it was a 9-11 perp handing over the unblemished paper passport is there?
But the duhbunkers and government loyalists and shills all believe this is a perfectly normal way to gather criminal evidence from complete strangers, and would never suspect an unsinged unburned not even smudged paper passport which just survived an explosive fireball supposedly inside the pocket of an alleged hijacker inside the fuselage of a burning aircraft.
Isn't FAITH just grand? Aren't 9-11 MIRACLES just wonderful?
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It is reported that the passport of hijacker Satam Al Suqami has been found a few blocks from the World Trade Center. [ABC News, 9/12/2001; Associated Press, 9/16/2001; ABC News, 9/16/2001] Barry Mawn, the director of the FBI’s New York office, says police and FBI found it during a “grid search” of the area. [CNN, 9/18/2001] However a senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission later claims it was actually discovered by a passerby and given to an NYPD detective, “shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.”
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Originally posted by Donny 4 million
Originally posted by hooper
Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
You know the one that was found in the rubble, that flew out of the terrorist dude's pocket from inside the plane.
Without much of a scratch........
Actually, the passport was not found in the rubble, it was found by an unidentified person and turned over to a NYPD detective a block or so from the WTC before the towers collapsed. Its in the 9/11 Commision Report.
It, like a lot of things, survived the crash and was found. You may not want to believe it, but that is strictly a matter of personal choice. There is no scientific basis to declare the matter impossible.
I have thought about scientific possibilities for most of my life, I started with experiments in grammar school.
So hopper, you would agree that the possibility of a space laser to help facilitate the controlled demolition of the twins and building seven was used-----And you can type fairly well with two railroad spikes driven deep into your skull. Medical possibilities are under the umbrella of science.
Prove me wrong.
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
reply to post by hooper
Take a close look at this
And the 9/11 Commission Chairman I was referring to was Philip Zelikow, more on him soon..
The official story about this historical event, is absurd. In fact, it's so far out to lunch, that the only thing preventing it from being discovered and realized en mass, is the sheer magnitude, of both the evil, and the lie. That's all that upholds the official story about this, it is the only thing that we are permitted to believe, because the alternative is "unthinkable", but what the Engineer from Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth has pointed out, very clearly in that video, is a simple, obvervable, fact, which surely cannot be denied, regardless of the implications of what actually occured. NIST did not even address this, opting instead to BEGIN with only one assumption, and even then, dealing only in a collapse initiation hypothesis, leading up to the actual destruction of the buildings, which NIST described as very simply an "automatic and inevitable" consequence, of collapse initation. And so NIST did not make ANY effort, in all of it's 10,000 pages, 20 million dollars later, to even begin to describe the very destruction of the buildings themselves, or to be more specific, the actual occurance of the phenomenon of destruction.
In other words, it's nothing more than an assumption, not based in observation, except to assume that the plane strikes and fires must have been the cause, since the very notion of a self inflicted false flag attack CANNOT be permitted to enter the picture, or the entire historical myth falls to ashes at very nearly the rate of absolute free fall.
Building a Better Mirage
NIST's 3-Year $20,000,000 Cover-Up
of theCrime of the Century
by Jim Hoffman
Dec 8, 2005
911research.wtc7.net...
[edit on 25-9-2009 by OmegaPoint]
Originally posted by JPhish
sorry, but the delay between the initial shock-wave and the actual "fire" is negligible. The air is also hot enough to melt your face off.
Originally posted by JPhish
this is a random picture with no time stamp that could have been taken at any time any where. Not to mention that everything you are saying is pure conjecture.
Originally posted by sumgai
reply to post by Redneck from Hell
At THIS POINT in time, the thing that we should take from 9/11 is that it divided the world into three groups of people:
1) Those who believe it was an "inside job".
2) Those who believe the "official story".
3) Those who have no opinion.
One should understand that the majority of people who believe "the official story" are blinded by faith in their government and/or the written obligations of the government. The rest of this group are just idiots who believe the mass media, mass opinion, or both who have no critical thinking and/or analytical skills that feed independent/investigative thought.
The "inside job" group, IMO, is equally divided into two sub-groups: Those who WANT to think it was an "inside job" because they are naturally rebellious and anti-authoritarian (which IS HEALTHY to a certain extent) and those who have the critical thinking AND analytical skills that feed independent, investigative thought.
The final group I have no care for, because these are the people who are too complacent and/or lazy to think for themselves, OR they're the most callus of individuals, OR they just haven't seen that much of a change in their day-to-day lives, and therefore just don't give a ****.
9/11 was an event that exposed people and classified them into these groups. We should take that fact, and act accordingly.
How? I'm not quite sure anymore, but I will leave you with what Michael Ruppert once said, "There's no point in trying to save those that do not want to be saved, all you should do is save yourself." - or something to that effect.
[edit on 29-9-2009 by sumgai]
posted by hooper
The only problem I have with this analysis is it wrongly implies that there is a "group" that thinks 9/11 was an inside job. There is no group. It is a small sub segment of a small sub culture that is deeply invested in conspiracies. You would have to go through the US population with a fine tooth comb to find enough people to fill a high school stadium, if that. Generally speaking, once you turn off your computer that "group" pretty much disappears.
National Poll: 36% of Americans Believe 9/11 Was an Inside Job
"One out of three sounds high, but that may very well be right," said Lee Hamilton, former vice chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also called the 9/11 Commission). His congressionally appointed investigation concluded that federal officials bungled their attempts to prevent, but did not participate in, the attacks by al-Qaida five years ago.
"A lot of people I've encountered believe the U.S. government was involved," Hamilton said.
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Originally posted by SPreston
posted by hooper
The only problem I have with this analysis is it wrongly implies that there is a "group" that thinks 9/11 was an inside job. There is no group. It is a small sub segment of a small sub culture that is deeply invested in conspiracies. You would have to go through the US population with a fine tooth comb to find enough people to fill a high school stadium, if that. Generally speaking, once you turn off your computer that "group" pretty much disappears.
Oh really? Perhaps you are lacking in critical thinking skills?
In a Google search of 911 was an inside job I got 2,410,000 hits. If that resulted in one person out of a hundred, that 24,100 persons would really fill a high school stadium wouldn't it.
In a Google search of 911 groups I got 23,300,000 hits. If that also resulted in one person out of a hundred, 233,000 oughta fill something shouldn't it?
And here is an interesting Google search.
Poll 911 Inside Job
National Poll: 36% of Americans Believe 9/11 Was an Inside Job
"One out of three sounds high, but that may very well be right," said Lee Hamilton, former vice chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also called the 9/11 Commission). His congressionally appointed investigation concluded that federal officials bungled their attempts to prevent, but did not participate in, the attacks by al-Qaida five years ago.
"A lot of people I've encountered believe the U.S. government was involved," Hamilton said.
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Originally posted by waypastvne
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
[ might I suggest you do some research on the illustrious Chairman of the 9/11 Commission and the one who oversaw the vetting process for the final publication of the official narrative
Do you mean 9/11 Commissioner John Farmer ?
Originally posted by SPreston
There is only one person who needs to be accused of duplicity and that is the stranger (passer-by) who allegedly found the unblemished paper passport and allegedly handed it to a NYPD detective. Correct?
Can you guarantee that this person was not planting evidence?
Have you identified this passerby? No?
Neither has anybody else have they? So according to US legal jurisprudence; the trail of evidence and the trail of custody of this paper passport is suspect isn't it and disqualified as evidence in a US courtroom?
Can you prove differently?
There is good evidence that some of the alleged hijackers had stolen identities and therefore fake passports. Some have claimed to be alive. Not one hijacker from Flights 11 and 175 has been officially identified by DNA.
Therefore we have good reason to suspect the paper passport of Satam al-Suqami was planted, especially sence it was not damaged by the fireball it was allegedly inside, and especially since it was supposedly inside the pocket of a supposedly crushed man allegedly trapped inside the burning fuselage of an aircraft inside the fireball 96 floors above the street.
I do not accept such nonsense as this discovered passport. Why do you?
Originally posted by SPreston
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It is reported that the passport of hijacker Satam Al Suqami has been found a few blocks from the World Trade Center. [ABC News, 9/12/2001; Associated Press, 9/16/2001; ABC News, 9/16/2001] Barry Mawn, the director of the FBI’s New York office, says police and FBI found it during a “grid search” of the area. [CNN, 9/18/2001] However a senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission later claims it was actually discovered by a passerby and given to an NYPD detective, “shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.”
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