Hani Hanjour Reloaded (alleged Pentagon terrorist pilot)

Hani Hanjour Reloaded

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Hani Hanjour Reloaded
by NK-44
Research compliments of NK-44.

Part One - Hanjour's Flying Skills

When Hanjour went on three test runs in the second week of August, he had trouble controlling and landing a single engine Cessna 172.

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"And consensus was,he was very quiet," "average, or below average piloting skills,"
"English was very poor " "so, that's about the best description I can get, give you"

web.archive.org...://www.newsday.com/ny-usflight232380680sep23.story

Let's look at Hani Hanjour's flying skills in a chronological timeline:

September 96 - Academy of Aeronautics

According to Hanjour's brother, Yasser, Hanis intention to visit flight schools in the USA was because he wanted to become a pilot for the Saudi national airline. The Saudi carrier required Saudi pilots to be FAA-certified in the United States. (This, Saudi officials point out, explains why so many Saudis were in US flight schools. Since Sept. 11, the Saudi regulation has been changed.)
[Source - Boston Globe]
After being rejected by a Saudi flight school, Hanjour returned to the United States to pursue flight training in 1996.
[Source - National Commission of Terrorst Attacks Upon The United States]

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While in Oakland, he enrolled at the Sierra Academy of Aeronautics. He attended a 30-minute class on Sept. 8 and never came back. Dan Shaffer, the academy's vice president for flight operations, speculated that Hanjour was intimidated by the school's two-year training regimen and $35,000 price tag.
www.capecodonline.com... " target="_blank" class="postlink">[Source]

At the end of this period, Hanjour enrolls on a rigorous one-year flight training program at the renowned Sierra Academy of Aeronautics, in Oakland. However, he only attends the 30-minute orientation class, on September 8, and then never returns.
cbs5.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink"> CBS 5 (San Francisco), 10/10/2001San Francisco Chronicle, 10/10/2001Associated Press, 10/11/2001Associated Press, 5/10/2002

End of 96 - CRM Airline Training Center Scottsdale, Arizona

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Certainly, Hanjour's own piloting skills were shaky. He took lessons at a Scottsdale, Ariz., flight school four years ago, but eventually was asked to leave by instructors who said his skills were poor and his manner difficult.
[Source - Washington Post]

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For someone suspected of steering a jetliner into the Pentagon, the 29-year-old man who used the name Hani Hanjour sure convinced a lot of people he barely knew how to fly.

Hanjour attended CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz. Duncan Hastie, the owner of CRM, said Hanjour attended the school the last three months of 1996. Then Hanjour "sort of disappeared," he said, returning in December 1997.

Hastie said Hanjour wasn't much of a pilot.

"One of the first accomplishments of someone in flight school is to fly a plane without an instructor," Hastie said. "It is a confidence-building procedure. He managed to do that. That is like being able to pull a car out and drive down the street. It is not driving on the freeway."

Hastie said that three months normally would be enough to earn a private pilot's certificate, but Hanjour "did not accomplish that at my school."

After Hanjour last took classes at the school, he called back numerous times to ask about further instruction. At least once, Hastie recalled, Hanjour said he was living in Florida. He told Hastie he had continued with his training.

"He was a pain in the rear," Hastie said. "We didn't want him back at our school because he was not serious about becoming a good pilot."
[Source]

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During three months of instruction in late 1996, Duncan K.M. Hastie, CRM's owner, found Hanjour a "weak student" who "was wasting our resources." Hanjour left, then returned in December 1997 - a year later - and stayed only a few weeks. Over the next three years, Hanjour called Hastie about twice a year, asking to come back for more instruction.

"I would recognize his voice," Hastie said. "He was always talking about wanting more training. Yes, he wanted to be an airline pilot. That was his stated goal. That's why I didn't allow him to come back. I thought, 'You're never going to make it.'
www.capecodonline.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">[Source]

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In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.

When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997," Chilton said. www.newsday.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Newsday (12/23/01)

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He also was trained for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., in 1996, but did not finish the course because instructors felt he was not capable.

January 1998 - Arizona Aviation Mesa, Arizona

In January 1998, Hanjour and his friend Bandar Al Hazmi, who are now renting an apartment together in Phoenix, Arizona, train together at Arizona Aviation flight school. Hanjour supposedly receives his commercial pilot rating while there. US Congress, 9/26/2002

This is based on a claim by the FBI, and no further informations have been provided. So as long as no further evidence for that is provided, we have to have completely trust in the account of FBI-Chief Robert Mueller. Given the case of Raissi alone (see later under 'The living pilots'), it's safe to say that everything the FBI states should at least being taken with a grain of salt.

1998 - Sawyer School of Aviation Phoenix, Arizona

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Over five years, Hanjour hopscotched among flight schools and airplane rental companies, but his instructors regarded him as a poor student, even in the weeks before the attacks. Wes Fults, the former manager of the flight simulator at Sawyer School of Aviation in Phoenix, gave Hanjour a one-hour orientation lesson when he arrived as a new member of the school's "sim club" in 1998. "Mr. Hanjour was, if not dour, to some degree furtive. He never looked happy," Fults recalled. "He had only the barest understanding what the instruments were there to do"

.... In 1998, he joined the simulator club at Sawyer, a small Phoenix school known locally as a flight school of last resort. "It was a commonly held truth that, if you failed anywhere else, go to Sawyer Aviation. They had good instructors," said Fults, the former simulator manager there. Sawyer's simulator is in a closet-sized room that students and pilots alike use to practice the basics of instrument flight. Fults remembers Hanjour as "a neophyte. ... The impression I got is he came and, like a lot of guys, got overwhelmed with the instruments." He used the simulator perhaps three or four more times, Fults said, then "disappeared like a fog." www.capecodonline.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Washington Post, 10/15/2001

April

1999 - Sunbird Flight Services Tempe, Arizona

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Agency records show that Hanjour was certified as an "Airplane Multi-Engine Land/Commercial Pilot" on April 15, 1999, by Daryl Strong , a designated pilot examiner in Tempe, Ariz. It was the last of three certifications Hanjour obtained from private examiners.

Strong, 71, said his flight logs confirm that he conducted a check ride with Mr. Hanjour in 1999 in a twin-engine Piper Apache but that he remembers nothing remarkable about him. [Source]

Sunbird Flight Services residents at Chandler Municipal Airport.
After he got his license, Quote:
"Hanjour reportedly applied to the civil aviation school in Jeddah after returning home, but was rejected." Commission Report
So Hanjour went to the United States in 1999 and received his certificate, but came home and still couldn't land a job with the airline. Boston Globe

In a CBC-Article, dealing with Hanjour's license, it's written that one of Hanjour's instructors, an Arab-American man, came under pressure by the FBI. He told agents that Hanjour was "a very average pilot, maybe struggling a little bit."

More to follow.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by OmegaPoint]

While I work up the next detailed post on this intriguing aspect of the official story conspiracy theory 9/11 myth, here's something to keep you going in the interim

The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training
by Nila Sagadevan
Aeronautical engineer and pilot

Audio Interview with Nila (well worth listening to imo)

Part One

Part Two

[edit on 21-9-2009 by OmegaPoint]

Hanjor was incapable of doing what the government claims he did at the Pentagon that was one of the things that struck me as odd with the official story line of 9-11.The guy could not fly a jet much less speak English well.Add the fact that the FBI itself is not even sure if the guys on their list were using their real names.

Real good work. S+F, actually I did it earlier before work. I am suprise no debunkers have wrote anything yet. Probably say something about how anbout flying is easy and how taking off/landing is the hard part; makes me laugh.

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In a CBC-Article, dealing with Hanjour's license, it's written that one of Hanjour's instructors, an Arab-American man, came under pressure by the FBI. He told agents that Hanjour was "a very average pilot, maybe struggling a little bit." The instructor added, "Maybe his English wasn't very good." [Source - CBS News]
But this instructor remains unkmown, also his company and the time when he trained Hanjour (it's only stated that it was before he got his license, April 15. 99).

December 2000 - Arizona Aviation Phoenix, Arizona
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Hazmi and Hanjour left San Diego almost immediately and drove to Arizona. Settling in Mesa, Hanjour began refresher training at his old school, Arizona Aviation. He wanted to train on multi-engine planes, but had difficulties because his English was not good enough. The instructor advised him to discontinue but Hanjour said he could not go home without completing the training. Commission Report

January/February 2001 - Jet Tech International Phoenix, Arizona
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"Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." -New York Times (5/04/02)

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Instructors at a flying school in Phoenix, Arizona express concern to Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) officials about the poor English and limited flying skills of one of their students, Hani Hanjour.
They believe his pilot's license may be fraudulent.
The FAA finds it is genuine - but school administrators tell Mr. Hanjour he will not qualify for an advanced certificate." BBC (5/17/02)

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"Months before Hani Hanjour is believed to have flown an American Airlines jet into the Pentagon, managers at an Arizona flight school reported him at least five times to the FAA.

They reported him not because they feared he was a terrorist, but because his English and flying skills were so bad...they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license. " I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had." Peggy Chevrette, Arizona flight school manager." [Source - CBS News (5/10/02)]
Jet Tech has closed in the meantime and was owned by Pan Am International Flight Academy.

Early 2001 - Pan Am Intern. Flight Academy Mesa, Arizona
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In early 2001, he started training on a Boeing 737 simulator at Pan Am International Flight Academy in Mesa. An instructor there found his work well below standard and discouraged him from continuing. Commission Report

April 2001 - Air Fleet Trainings System Teterboro, New Jersey
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Hanjour, too, requested to fly the Hudson Corridor about this same time, at Air Fleet Training Systems in Teterboro, New Jersey, where he started receiving ground instruction soon after settling in the area with Hazmi. Hanjour flew the Hudson Corridor, but his instructor declined a second request because of what he considered Hanjour's poor piloting skills. Commission Report

June/July 2001 - Caldwell Flight Academy Fairfield, New Jersey
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Shortly thereafter, Hanjour switched to www.private2atp.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Caldwell Flight Academy in Fairfield, New Jersey, where he rented small aircraft on several occasions during June and July. In one such instance on July 20, Hanjour-likely accompanied by Hazmi-rented a plane from Caldwell and took a practice flight from Fairfield to Gaithersburg, Maryland, a route that would have allowed them to fly near Washington, D.C. Other evidence suggests that Hanjour may even have returned to Arizona for flight simulator training earlier in June. Commission Report

But Cooperative Research notes:
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In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, Caldwell’s owner will confirm that several suspects sought by the FBI, reportedly including Mohamed Atta, had rented planes from him, though when they did so is unstated. A search of the Lexis Nexus database indicates there are no media accounts of any witnesses recalling Hanjour or any of the other hijackers attending these schools. [Source]
Indeed, if we look at the Commission footnote, no further information is delivered, besides that there is 'documentary evidence' that he was in Jersey 'most of June'. Here's the full footnote (No.135):

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135. FBI report, Hijackers Timeline, Dec. 5, 2003 (citing 315N-NY-280350-302, serial 7228; 315N-NY-280350-F, serial 99; 315N-NY-280350-NK, serial 263). Documents from Sawyer Aviation in Phoenix, Arizona, show Hanjour joining the flight simulator club on June 23, 2001, with Faisal al Salmi, Rayed Abdullah, and Lotfi Raissi. FBI report of investigation, interview of Jennifer Stangel, Sept. 14, 2001. But the documents are inconclusive, as there are no invoices or payment records for Hanjour, while such documents do exist for the other three. FBI memo, Penttbom investigation, Oct. 7, 2001; FBI memo, Penttbom investigation, summary of dispatch sheets, Oct. 12, 2001; Don W. and Steve B. interview (Jan. 6, 2004). One Sawyer employee identified Hanjour as being there during the time period, though she was less than 100 percent sure. FBI report of investigation, interview of Tina Arnold, Oct. 17, 2001. Another witness identified Hanjour as being with Salmi in the Phoenix area during the summer of 2001. FBI letterhead memorandum, investigation of Lotfi Raissi, Jan. 4, 2004, p. 18. Documentary evidence for Hanjour, however, shows that he was in New Jersey for most of June, and no travel records have been recovered showing that he returned to Arizona after leaving with Hazmi in March.Nevertheless, the FBI's Phoenix office believes it plausible that Hanjour returned to Arizona for additional training. FBI electronic communication, Penttbom investigation, Feb. 19, 2002.
That Hanjour together with Raissi joined the Simulator CLub is an outraged lie, as we will later learn in the section 'The living pilots'. It proves that the FBI isn't a reliable source.

Further note, this is the first time since April 1999, when Hanjour was certified as an "Airplane Multi-Engine Land/Commercial Pilot" on April 15, 1999, by Daryl Strong, that there's no negative comment by instructors about his flying skills. There is no comment at all. If you follow the timeline of Hanjour's flying lessons closely, you will note that all (the few) positive references, besides Daryl Strong remembering 'nothing remarkable', are based not on comments by instructors or based on comments by anonymous instructors. And when the Commission states that there is 'documentary evidence' that he was 'most of June' in Jersey, does this in reverse mean that there is no documentary evidence for his flight at Cardwell in July? Is there in fact any positive confirmation that Hanjour did in June and July what he supossedly had done, other than vague informations given by the FBI and a vague statement by the flight school's owner? I'm not aware that the public has seen any. During the time in June and July, when Hanjour supposedly rented aircraft from Caldwell Flight Academy, he also failed a night-flight test:
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On June 19, 2001, Hanjour attempted to obtain a pilot's certification to fly at night, but was unable to do so because he failed the test. Document from the Mussaoui-trial (PDF)
Unfortunately, the document provides no further information about his failed night-flight test.

August 2001 - Freeway Aviation Bowie, Maryland
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Hanjour, always an uncertain pilot, showed up at flight school in Bowie, Md. Three times, he attempted to rent a plane. Each time, a different instructor took him on a test flight and deemed him incompetent to fly alone.
We have a level of standards that we hold all our pilots to, and he couldn't meet it," said the manager of the flight school.
Hanjour could not handle basic air maneuvers, the manager said. Hanjour was also reluctant to provide his address, a standard part of the plane rental application. [Source]
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That plot was in high gear by the second week of August, when Hanjour arrived in the Washington area for what appears to have been his final preparation - this time, at Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md. Instructors once again questioned his competence. After three sessions in a single-engine plane, the school decided Hanjour was not ready to rent a plane by himself. Cape Cod Times (10/21/02)
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"Instructors at the school told Bernard that after three times in the air, they still felt he was unable to fly solo and that Hanjour seemed disappointed.

[edit on 22-9-2009 by OmegaPoint]

Good work OmegaPoint,
very informative with lots of references S & F from me
I have always believed this guy could not possibly have performed this but I am sure there will be plenty of members dropping by shortly who will try to elnighten us

PEACE,
RK

Hanjour had 600 hours listed in his log book, Bernard said, and instructors were surprised he was not able to fly better with the amount of experience he had." Source
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„However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.“ Source - Newsday

August 2001 - Congressional Air Charters Gaithersburg, Maryland

According to a footnote in the 9/11 Commission Report, some time in August 2001 Hanjour successfully conducts “a challenging certification flight supervised by an instructor at Congressional Air Charters of Gaithersburg, Maryland, landing at a small airport with a difficult approach.” The instructor thinks that “Hanjour may have had training from a military pilot because he used a terrain recognition system for navigation.” 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 248 and 531

Cooperative Research states that:
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"besides the 9/11 Commission Report, no other evidence exists of Hanjour passing this certification flight. A search of the Lexis Nexus database indicates there are no mentions of Hanjour attending this school, or any witnesses recalling him there." [Source]
According to the 'Chronology of Events for Hijackers, 8/16/01 - 9/11/01, Hani Hanjour' from the Moussaoui-Trial, Hanjour took this lesson on the 20th of August at 15.00h and paid in cash.

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A man who answered the phone at Congressional Air Charters of Gaithersburg declined to give his name and said the company no longer gives flight instruction. On July 20, 2001, Hanjour - likely accompanied by Nawaf al-Hazmi, another member of the Flight 77 team - completed a 'challenging certification flight' supervised by an instructor from Congressional, according to the report of the 9/11 Commission. [Source - link not found]
The Commission-Report's statement contradicts all others and quotes an anonymous instructor who thinks that Hanjour had "training from a military pilot". As there's no way that Hanjour could have improved his skills in a few days more than in five years before, there are only two possibilities: this story is complete fraud, or it is true, but then the instructor is obviously not talking about the same person. A third possibility comes to mind when looking at this stipulation-document (PDF) from the Moussaoui-trial:

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On August 20, 2001, Hanjour took and passed a check ride with a flight instructor at Congressional Air Charter, Gaithersburg, Maryland. On August 26 and 28, 2001, Hanjour rented aircraft from Congressional Air Charter
Here's the talk of a check flight, which due to insurance demands everyone renting an aircraft has to make, not of a challenging certification flight. Why does the Commission exaggerates Hanjour's flying skills with such misleading expressions? So according to the document from the Moussaoui-trial, Hanjour was able to pass an ordinary, non-challenging check flight, which he only three days before failed to pass when trying in Bernard's flight school.
Either Hanjour improved his skills a lot in three days, or Congressional Air Charters has not the same standards and demands on people renting their aircraft. Fact remains that the flight instructor attesting Hanjour to have had training by military pilots, remains anonymous. Unlike all those instructors attesting him to have no flight skills at all. And when reporters called the company, no information was given out, the man on the phone even declined to tell his name.

It should also be noted, that the claim in the stipulation-document regarding renting aircraft on August 26 and 28, is not accurate. According to the Hanjour-chronology from the Moussaoui-trial, Hanjour took a flight lesson on August 20 and paid it in cash (109, 80$)
This was the flight lesson the Commission exaggerated to a challenging flight, and the stipulation-document just referred to as check flight.
From the entry on August 26 in the chronology we can conclude that Hanjour passed the test, as the entry states that he rented an aircraft, not that he took a lesson. No amount of costs are provided. But uinlike the stipulation-document states that Hanjour rented also aircraft on August 28, the chronology states that Hanjour took again a flight lesson, costing him 111,71$. It seems that Hanjour, just two weeks prior to the attacks, still felt more comfortable with an instructor by his side. Or did the instructor think that Hanjour still could not fly alone after his challenging flight with difficult approach?

Summed up:

September 1996 Aeronautic Academy: He attended a 30-minute class on Sept. 8 and never came back.
End of 1996 CRM: skills were poor - barely knew how to fly. - wasn't much of a pilot. - pain in the rear - not serious about becoming a good pilot - a pretty weak student - wasting our resources - he was not capable
January 1998 Arizona Aviation: according to FBI-Chief Mueller supposedly receives his commercial pilot rating while being there - no other evidence corroborates this
1998 Saywer School: only the barest understanding what the instruments were there to do - got overwhelmed with the instruments.
before April 1999 Anonymous instructor/flight school - very average pilot, maybe struggling a little bit
April 1999 Sunbird Flight Service - nothing remarkable
December 2000 Arizona Aviation: instructor advised him to discontinue
January/February 2001 Jet Tech: a very bad pilot. - He could not fly at all.-express concern to Federal Aviation Administration - not qualify for an advanced certificate - flying skills were so bad...they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license. " I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had.
Early 2001 Pan Am International: An instructor there found his work well below standard and discouraged him from continuing.
April 2001 Air Fleet Trainings: poor piloting skills.
June/July 2001 Caldwell: rented aircraft - no comments by instructors on his skills exist - no public available evidence like confirmation by instructors, school's owner, etc. that he attented there - during the same time he failed night-flight test
August 2001 Freeway Aviation: incompetent to fly alone - could not handle basic air maneuvers - was not ready to rent a plane by himself. - unable to fly solo - instructors were surprised he was not able to fly better with the amount of experience
August 01 Congressional Air Charters: a challenging certification flight with a difficult approach, like stated by the 9/11 Commission became an ordinary check flight during the Moussaoui-trial - though he passed the check-flight, he took a flight lesson again a week later - anonymous instructor attested training from a military pilot in the same exaggerated account provided by the Commission - still in question that he has ever been there - the company no longer gives flight lessons and employees decline to even give their name
So if we take Bernard's 'average, low-average' as a 'neutral' reference point, than we have only three instructors certifying Hanjour better skills. An anonymous instructor from an anonymous flight school (see April 1999), an anonymous instructor from Congressional Air Charters (a company which no longer gives flight instructions), who thought Hanjour had been trained by a military pilot (see August 2001), and Daryl Strong, who signed Hanjours multi-engine license and is a private contractor to the FAA, and remembered nothing remarkable. A FAA spokesman said:
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"Designees have a financial interest in certifying as many people as possible, Awsumb argued. "They receive between $200 and $300 for each flight check," she said. "If they get a reputation for being tough, they won't get any business." [Source]
This may explain very well why Strong "remembered nothing remarkable". On the other side we have testimonies from seven different flight-schools certifying Hanjour's low-average/poor flight skills.
Besides flying an airplane, Hanjour wasn't even competent enough to pass a driving test.
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After being fined for speeding the day before Hanjour fails a test to obtain a Virginia driver’s license. Hanjour already has an Arizona driving license and an international driving license. According to the Virginia police, Hanjour also has a Florida driver’s license, although the 9/11 Commission will dispute this. [Source]

Coming Soon...

The Maneuver

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[edit on 22-9-2009 by OmegaPoint]

Despite of all the reports of Hanjour's weak piloting skills, the 9/11 Commission-Report concludes:

"Among the five hijackers aboard American Airlines Flight 77, Hani Hanjour was the sole individual who FAA records show completed flight training and received FAA pilot certification. Hanjour received his commercial multi-engine pilot certificate from the FAA in March 1999. He received extensive flight training in the United States including flight simulator training, and was perhaps the most experienced and highly trained pilot among the 9/11 hijackers." Commission Report
and states that 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed assigned the Pentagon target specifically to Hanjour because he was “the operation’s most experienced pilot.” 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 530

You now what is so sad and horrifying about this, is without the research of NK-44 who put this together, there would be limited access to this information as part of the historical record.

In fact, the only official accounts regarding September 11th, 2001, are contained within the 911 Commission Report, and the NIST Report and thats it, case closed.

And so if the 9-11 Commission Report is proven to be some sort of whitewash, and if NIST is proven not to have drawn valid scientific conclusions, then there IS no historical record, with the exception of what some, like this researcher I am drawing from in making these posts have painstakingly assembled.

So I say good on the 9-11 Truth Movement for hanging in there and continuing to work to raise these questions and to present this information, and for keeping this on the table, so that SOMETHING can be learned from this historical event, something of greater value than the formation of the DHS and adoption of the recommendations of the 9-11 Commission`based on their so-called investigation, which is really more like a story and a narrative, as opposed to any real investigation.

Something the likes of which a Philip Zelikow might author, being an expert on public myth making whether true or not - oh I forget, he WAS the Executive Director appointed by Bush to LEAD the Commission and oversee its work and the final publications of its report.

This is kind of terrifying - not unlike the feelings of the character of Winston in the book 1984.

Will school children generations from now simply learn that this guy Hani Hanjour took over Charles Burlingame`s plane and flew it into the Pentagon on 9-11, or will they, thanks to the work of people like David Ray Griffin, and other 9-11 researchers, learn about 9-11 as a false flag terrorist event perpetrated by elements of the shadow government and actively covered up by the Executive Branch of the President and Vice-Present (and others) as a pretext to waging war in the ME..?

I think in the end, the 21st century, looking back, will get this story somewhat straight, because the official account is so very sparse, and so woefully lacking as a valid historical frame of reference for what actually took place, and I think the American people are really starting to wake up now, and they smell a rat. Americans were once very good at doing that, at seeing through the bullshiit, and I still have faith in them, that they are not all brainwashed by the likes of Bill OReilly, CNN and the so-called Mainstream Media empire. Yes, brainwashed, by having to swallow lies, like this myth about Hani Hanjour, crack Boeing pilot.

[edit on 22-9-2009 by OmegaPoint]

Great thread and eye opener Omegapoint S&F for effort.
The clincher for me is the way the instructor said Hani hanjour was using the ground reference points for navigation, And was flying like a military pilot would be expected to perform.. coming from a veteran trainer who has come across military pilots cross training for a civil licence is significant for me ...
How did he rack up 600 hours of flying time and had an authorised log book from IFA, makes ya think

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Yeah, from a complete dope who could not fly a cessna, no matter how hard he tried, to suddenly, poof, an expert in that one instance - I guess they had to stick something in the record to try to make him appear competent, but it doesn't jive at all with the rest of the record. I love the 9/11 Commission's final statement about him as a pilot, that too was revealing about where they were coming from.

More to follow soon. It gets even beter..

P.S. If you like this story and think it's important that more people have access to it, please star and flag it to the front page, and thanks for the S&F's so far.

To be Cont'd..

[edit on 22-9-2009 by OmegaPoint]

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
Despite of all the reports of Hanjour's weak piloting skills, the 9/11 Commission-Report concludes:

"Among the five hijackers aboard American Airlines Flight 77, Hani Hanjour was the sole individual who FAA records show completed flight training and received FAA pilot certification. Hanjour received his commercial multi-engine pilot certificate from the FAA in March 1999. He received extensive flight training in the United States including flight simulator training, and was perhaps the most experienced and highly trained pilot among the 9/11 hijackers." Commission Report
and states that 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed assigned the Pentagon target specifically to Hanjour because he was “the operation’s most experienced pilot.” 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 530

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Apparently Hani Hanjour is alive and well, and working in Saudi, the latest picture of him at work.......

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Ya know, from another pilot's viewpoint (me), I have encountered people like him before, back when I was teaching.

His logbook showing 600 hours could have been "padded". Quite a number of people do that. Perhaps he truly fancied for himself the potential to get ajob at a Saudi airline...then became disenchanted and bitter, and fell into the al-Queda clutches.

Anyway...all of your vast research and sources really refer to the fact that in aspects of aviating, there are degrees of skill abilities, and certain technical aspects of all things related to flying is where he mostly fell short.

HOWEVER....just steering and aiming a jet is far, far easier than being a proficient, respected and precise aviator. MOST of the time, in the AA 77 B757, he was operating the autopilot. Until the big right turn around, to line up and aim at the Pentagon, and from the NTSB video desplay recreation from the SSFDR data, there was NOTHING difficult in that turn.

YOU could do it, with very little training.

OH...and your picture below, from your post? May wish to check its source. It looks very much, to me, like one of the diagrams made by those who are claiming a Pentagon "flyover" decoy maneuver by the evil Gov't plotters -- up to and including the impossibility of the "flyover", and sudden turn and deceleration to accomplish a landing at National Airport on Runway 15...which is what's drawn below:

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You see, the FAA radar data and other witness reports do NOT show that ground track for AA 77. NOR does the Flight Recorder.

The airplane approached from the WEST, at about 8,000 when near the Pentagon. The airplane magnetic heading was 080-090. THEN the right turn was begun, only slightly more than a normal bank angle used in airline operations...MAX for airlines is 30 degrees, he occasionally reached about 37 degrees, but still a comfortable maneuver -- even for a poor pilot.

The wide turn took the airplane back out West, and the ground track generally followed the highway Columbia Pike (Route 244) on a NorthEasterly heading.

I think you should investigate that image, above, for its authenticity as claimed in your post.

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
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To be Cont'd..

[edit on 22-9-2009 by OmegaPoint]

Excellent thread and still relevant in today's world. Hani Hanjour's bizarre efforts to attain credibility as a pilot can tell us much about his handlers. Hani appears shopping around for flight credentials.

The FBI had contact with Hani Hanjour from October 1996.
www.historycommons.org...

reply to post by weedwhacker

YOU could do it, with very little training.

Hanjour had such training - he had 60 hours in a 737 simulator at Jet Tech in Phoenix Az. The instructor
checked off "STEEP TURNS"

He did not learn how to taxi as was not checked on his log sheet...

Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, said Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said

Marcel Bernard, one of the instructors who would not rent Hanjour an airplane.

www.911myths.com...

Its becoming clearer that the"hijackers" were taking part in a mock terrorist plot and did not believe they would actually be used in a real live hijacking or attack. Rumors have been floating around that none of the hijackers were in the planes at all and that it was staged.

Here is Ziad Jarrah making his "Martyrdom" video. He cannot contain himself from laughing at the script his "handlers" are telling him to emotionalize. Obviously scripted as was his involvement in the 911 attacks.

Are you genuinely attempting to claim that Hani Hanjour was such a bad pilot that he couldn't even crash a plane?