Drawing Blood Will Help Stop Drunk Driving, Police Say

Originally posted by jd140

Germany allows their police to do this and it works very well.

Germany allowed their police to do alot of things....

This is America.

The excuse "I was only following orders, obeying department policy" will not be an acceptable defense - such rationalizations of Constitutional and rights violations never are.

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We are looking at other countries health care to rebuild our own. Why not look into the way other countries test for a DUI?

If it works, it works and it works in Europe.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
I fully support local police, state police, and sheriff depts drawing blood for BAC testing. I was stationed over in Germany back in the 80's, when it was still West and East Germany, and the polizei were allowed to forcefully withdraw blood from your body if they suspected you of driving under the influence. I think we should've done the same here in the U.S. back then, and still do today. I say "About Time!"

You know what? Your offensive and Un American

Germany has issues imho with compulsion into anything they do... today the country is Green and now....the whole fricken world has to be green nothing personal in regards to Germany I don't like the tendency to control and uniformity in the culture and if I wanted it I'd live there not here.

You know what I honestly think it's "about time for"

I think it's time we rounded up and got rid of every person in America that tries to alter our system to be more like socialist Europe's detain them like we did communists during the McCarthy era and then draw blood to collect their DNA so they can never come back after we send them back to Europe

We FLED Europe for damn good reasons...






[edit on 15-9-2009 by mopusvindictus]

I feel sorry for the poor drunk soul who gets his arse beat down just so they can get a needle in him in the first place.


forcing somebody down and and withdrawing blood from them sounds like torture to me.

Knee to the neck, arm bent so far back it just about breaks, being stabbed with needle until they find the right vein.

I don't even think we can use this method on suspected terrorist.

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They probably just put them in the restraint chair if they don't cooperate.

I have to agree with those that say "This is America", not Germany where the original NAZI's spawned and slaughtered those who's papers were not in order.

I don't drive drunk, and while I support keeping our highways safe I think the proper place to draw blood is in a clean safe environment with proper lighting etc. - that would not be in a passenger vehicle or a patrol car on the side of the road with dust blowing & bugs flying.

Once a suspect is arrested there is less chance that police are just going to randomly draw blood - essentially victimizing the innocent while trolling for criminals. So, if they have enough evidence to make an arrest and that requires bodily fluids - then take them to a hospital and get it professionally done or set up an accredited mini clinic in the cop shop.

Out of all things I hated most about a hospital - the worst is when they take your blood. I only let them do it because they were supposedly going to help me.

If police wanted to take my blood on the side of the road - I would consider that an act of terror and a violation of my body - no different than If they raped me. Therefore I would gladly slaughter anyone who attempted to rape me with a needle. You think you can rape me - than I'll do everything in my power to stop you.


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Who the hell with any brains actually want's their health provided by the state unless they are destitute and hopeless anyway?

It's Fear, guys that act like alpha males, wish they were alpha males... act on Hate geared to any non conformist at any level that steal Liberty time and again from everyone else...

But never actually can make a living or find work or have any independence without taking orders... Beta Males through and through unsatisfied unless some Top Dog somewhere gives them an order.

The Joke

Is actually believing that dui's is a serious American problem when if you simply examine the stats you'd see more people die from bad eating habits by 10x than dui's and more people actually by county from slipping in the bathtub or shower than die from dui's...

Maybe it should be a Felony to stroke out on the road from eating too many French fries?

Perhaps they should test my cholesterol while they draw my blood and not let me in the car due to heart attack risk?

Maybe we should just get rid of pool because every year kids drown?

Or perhaps that bathtub being a major killer, maybe we just go to sponge baths?

But the funny thing is... the MOST helpless people support these laws... the people who can't make money, the people who can't function without control.

AMERICANS should have to be subjected to random blood checks?

20 years ago we made fun of the USSR for breaking down doors and routine checks for "your papers"

Today we have far worse offenses against us...

Anyone who supports this is shameful and TIME is against the enforcers... in all HUMAN HISTORY Anyone who has for any length of time oppressed the people been cast down and suffered the price.

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I don't recall saying I wanted state ran healthcare.

I just stated what is being done.

Maybe it's time We started making a list...a database of people who work to strip us of our freedom....

Perhaps WE THE PEOPLE need to make a list, form an organization Like MAD (Maniac antagonizing Muthas) and raise lobby money and pay off our leaders to arrest and suppress anyone who has put forward a bill or law that violates the constitution for an agenda...

we get the names of organization leaders and website owners and lobbyists who have supported destroying our constitution and we pass ONE law that deports each and every one of them...

and it can be done, certainly there are far, far less of these people than us, than dui offenders or any other stupid law of suppression they have enforced actions against us with.

Serious, maybe the next step is that WE make a list of the people who passed laws to come after us, declare them TRAITORS a Capitol crime, lock them away and give them the death penalty some propose for every social behavior they don't approve of.

Some say death penalty for Dui?

I say Constitutional Traitor actually IS and always HAS BEEN a a Violation you could give the Death penalty over...

Maybe we need a list too....

Maybe when this is all said and done the List makers will be on a list we make... maybe they need to worry about that not what we do on Friday night.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
in all HUMAN HISTORY Anyone who has for any length of time oppressed the people been cast down and suffered the price.

Don't forget the sympathizers, informers and collaborators; they always end up paying for their ways and allegiance.

And thanks to digitized media and widespread information dissemination via the internet, we now have a record of all those individuals.




Edit: I see you have the same idea. Hundredth Monkey I tell ya



[edit on 15-9-2009 by Exuberant1]

I would like safe roadways as had been said by someone earlier in thread. But I don't think it is appropriate for legislators or law enforcement to infringe on our rights under the Constitution. It has worked well for over 200 years. I find it ludicrous that authority figures think that they are keeping us safe by stripping away rights. To me, I find the blanket of freedom as what makes us safe not oppression. So I say, lets keep things as they are, because as I said earlier, it has worked for over 200 years without serious problems. Don't give them an inch because they will most surely take that mile.

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Quote: "A speaker at the Tea Party this weekend suggested that all 50 states secede from the Union, and form a new Union, and let Washington DC figure out how to pay off the Trillions of Debt from its few residents!!"


Fantastic Idea!

Alright guys here's my view on this, chances are you are all ready on the data base, if you receive Hepatitis jabs you will know they check your blood for resistance to the virus,
If you donate blood they screen it for HIV/Hep..
If you were in the military they check your blood for its type
So chances are your already in the data bank system..
As for L E Officers taking samples as long as its in a clean sterile environment , as most police officers are more exposed to disease than the general populace.....

Originally posted by jd140

I agree.

I was stationed in Germany a few years ago and I couldn't understand why we don't do this in the States.

Its easy to pass a sobriety test and to trick a breathalyzer. Cant trick a blood sample.

Blah.. The sobriety tests are there to test for the effects of intoxication.

So you're saying that if someones passes this test, and ultimately shows that they are in control of their body to the degree the law requires to show full control of their faculties - effectively they are not inhibited - that they still be arrested because they have imbibed alcohol?

Thats blatant revenue raising and blind injustice. Arrested just because, and not for any valid reason. IF the breathylizer fails, if the sobriety test fails, why heck, lets just stick metal in them and take their blood. We'll get them somehow....

If someone is a danger on the road and their reactions hindered by drinking or other substances, and they are a threat, they will FAIL a sobriety test.

Someone earlier said something about needing a warant from a judge to draw blood and no judge in their right mind would allow it. Dude are you kidding? DUI/DWI is easy money, here in austin they've allowed this practice, and last 4th of july they put extra judges just to obtain the warrants in the middle of the night. But of course some people cried foul. Still, when they show mortality rates and tragic accidents due to DWI, everyone supports the blood draw (well at least the people passing those laws do)
I have one DWI, and now its as simple as this. Drink at home, Take a cab, stay at a friends or find a friend who doesn't drink to take me out.

Originally posted by jd140
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Hmm I get my info from a law enforcement buddy and personal expireance. I could really care if you of all people believe me. I have long stop caring about your opinion of facts.

I will address the info about the mouth wash.

Its meant to make it worse. It masks the fact that you have been drinking.

Yes Officer, I just swigged a mouthfull of mouthwash. I have not been drinking at all.......

Apart from the absolute stupidity of trying that trick, they would just make you wait 30 mins.. Still over the limit? Zing.

Least thats how they do it in Aus, if you blow over then you're taken to the station and retested.

And even if you don't care what people think, you're still wrong.

This is a load of crap! And those of you supporting this are stupid idiots! If they really wanted to stop all drunk driving then why not simply put a breathlyzer control on every ignition of every car sold in America?????????

We wouldn't be able to do this to suspected terrorists so WTF are they thinking doing this to ordinary citizens!?!?!? This has nothing to do about drunk driving and everything to do with adding you to their DNA catalogue! Just another reason to support the coup of this Constitution denying government!

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We wouldn't be able to do this to suspected terrorists so WTF are they thinking doing this to ordinary citizens!?!?!?

I guess as long as your torturing your own people, its ok.

I guarantee that if a soldier did this to a suspected terrorist people would be screaming bloody mary.

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In half an hour? are you serious? I had an experienced phlebotomist blow through my pipeline size vein and leave a robins egg sized lump in my elbow and turn my arm black from my triceps to mid forearm.

Wait til some thug cop shows "Mr. Suspect" how he feels about his complaints by working that needle around a bit. Allowing anyone other than someone emotionally detached from performing this procedure is criminal, let alone that it is dehumanizing and violates the spirit if not the exact letter of the constitution.

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[edit on 15-9-2009 by maldronath]

Okay, here is another article I found, a little old from February but it says....

"Drunken drivers beware: If you drink and drive, especially during the last weekend of February, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office and other area law enforcement will be out for blood.

PBSO deputies plan to set up driving under the influence checkpoints. If they suspect a driver is under the influence, they'll offer an on-the-spot Breathalyzer. If drivers refuse, deputies will ask to draw blood from their arms."

and goes on to say....

"Attorney David Olson said that "would only be lawful if a warrant is issued by a judge."

That's just what deputies plan to do. They'll actually drive to a judge's home for a signature and return to the checkpoint.

Olson said drawing blood from drivers is usually done in extreme cases like homicides and fatal collisions. Olson said he's not sure a judge would actually sign a warrant."


So basically in FL they don't have the right to draw blood unless a judge signs a warrant and the police plan to go to the judges home and obtain his/her signature to draw the blood at the checkpoint. Now this to me is crazy, it's taking it to the extreme.
Here is the link...

www.wpbf.com...


here is a good article from a ER doctor talking about drawing blood for police and how if conflicts with ethics and patients rights but the law of her state states
" that drivers may legally refuse blood-alcohol-level testing (at the risk of automatic suspension of their license). But physicians, nurses, technicians, and their hospitals may neither refuse to perform a requested test nor refuse to provide the results to the police except in "unusual circumstances."

www.slate.com...