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*Dangers Of The Census*

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posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 02:57 AM
Will history repeat itself?
Let's look at Census past.

Census Blamed in Interment of Japanese

"despite earlier denials, the Census Bureau was deeply involved in the roundup and internment of Japanese Americans at the onset of U.S. entry into World War II.

The academics say the Census Bureau's involvement included identifying concentrations of people of Japanese ancestry in geographic units as small as city blocks, lending a senior Census Bureau official to work with the War Department on the relocation program and a willingness to disclose names and address of Japanese Americans."

Mod Edit: All Caps – Please Review This Link.

[edit on 9/15/2009 by semperfortis]

posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 03:03 AM
....and from another source:

A new study of U.S. Department of Commerce documents now shows that the Census Bureau complied with an August 4, 1943, request by Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau for the names and locations of all people of Japanese ancestry in the Washington, D.C., area, according to historian Margo Anderson of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and statistician William Seltzer of Fordham University in New York City. . . .

The newly revealed documents show that census officials released the information just seven days after it was requested. Given the red tape for which bureaucracies are famous, “it leads us to believe this was a well-established path,” Seltzer says, meaning such disclosure may have occurred repeatedly between March 1942, when legal protection of confidentiality was suspended, and the August 1943 request.

How safe is our information now?

Why have our front doors been marked when public records had already GPS the property?

Will someone need to find your door in the dark?
Will someone be on a quick mission to grab you at home, quickly and undetected?

posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 11:44 PM

I was haunted by a question whose answer has long eluded historians. The Germans always had the lists of Jewish names. Suddenly, a squadron of grim-faced SS would burst into a city square and post a notice demanding those listed assemble the next day at the train station for deportation to the East. But how did the Nazis get the lists? For decades, no one has known. Few have asked.

The answer: IBM Germany's census operations and similar advanced people counting and registration technologies. IBM was founded in 1898 by German inventor Herman Hollerith as a census tabulating company. Census was its business. But when IBM Germany formed its philosophical and technologic alliance with Nazi Germany, census and registration took on a new mission. IBM Germany invented the racial census--listing not just religious affiliation, but bloodline going back generations. This was the Nazi data lust. Not just to count the Jews--but to identify them.

People and asset registration was only one of the many uses Nazi Germany found for high-speed data sorters. Food allocation was organized around databases, allowing Germany to starve the Jews. Slave labor was identified, tracked, and managed largely through punch cards. Punch cards even made the trains run on time and cataloged their human cargo. German Railway, the Reichsbahn, Dehomag's biggest customer, dealt directly with senior management in Berlin. Dehomag maintained punch card installations at train depots across Germany, and eventually across all Europe.

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 12:28 AM
Apparently, only the population count is mandated in the constitution, however other questions are covered by another law.

If you just leave some blank, it appears the maximum fine is $100, and it's very rare that happens. If you are found to have actually lied, it's $500 maximum.

I would just take the risk, and leave the questions other than household population count blank. It seems the risk of a $100 fine is worth it to avoid being put on some extra lists... Unless they automatically put people who don't answer questions on a list.

Something interesting from Wikipedia:

In 1980 FBI agents went to the Census Bureau's Colorado Springs office with warrants to seize Census documents, but were forced to leave with nothing. Courts upheld that no agency, including the FBI, has access to Census data.

It's sourced to this article:

[edit on 14/9/2009 by harpsounds]

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 01:08 AM
reply to post by harpsounds

That is exactly what I plan on doing.

posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 06:53 AM
Census in the Bible Stories

Whether or not these stories are actually "true" is moot. The point is that some of these stories could contain hidden messages that we should not overlook.

Were Mary and Joseph actually "on the run" from the census?

Biblical scholars have found the account of Luke 2:1-7 very problematic for several reasons. The date of King Herod's reign and the time frame of the census shows a discrepancy of a few years.

But the most intriguing aspect of the account, is that the Wolves tell the story of Mary and Joseph having to travel miles to "report" themselves to the King's officials. This is just not even practical.

How could any kingdom require it's residents to travel miles to report for taking a census? Can you imagine the repercussions of this?

If everyone had to leave their homes, would it not make the town vunerable for thieves and vandals? Who would care for their livestock and crops? How could poor peasants endure the cost of such a journey? And what of those who are sick and disabled? How could they be expected to personally report to the king's men? And what of those who defy the order or had no money to pay required taxes? All of these scenerios depict a very unrealistic proposition, does it not?

Scholars have upheld the ridiculousness of this incongruent story. Their research has shown that it was not the practice in Roman censuses to require people to return to their ancestral homes.

"The people of Herod's kingdom were not directly taxed by the empire; thus, a census and taxation during Herod's rule, if ordered and administered by imperial officials, would be unprecedented." (Cenus of Quirinius)

However, my point is that this could perhaps be a message between the lines that some people realized the evil that could be perpetrated through so much required personal information.

When people allow the Wolves to read the bedtime stories to them, it is a totally different meaning than what historical reality uncovers.

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