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They've tried. Not their fault the media is too busy talking about H.R. 3200 to talk about anything else.
In a bid to find middle ground on his ambitious health care reform plan, the president addressed a key Republican demand by expressing potential support for some version of medical malpractice reform, but GOP lawmakers say they want to hear the extent of the details.
• Recognizes that one of the largest obstacles for many small businesses when it comes to retaining current employees or creating new jobs is the cost of health insurance. The plan allows states, small businesses, associations, and other organizations to band together and offer health insurance at lower costs.
About the only good part of this plan.
When people ... creates a program ... [they] pay for it by adding taxes to cigerettes. The taxes on those cigerettes was not even close to the cost of the program she started which makes it unfunded.
in this case theres a tax base that doesn't even pay for the government to run because theres not enough money coming in in the form of taxes to pay for the government thats why theres a ten trillion dollar debt.
Wrong, again.
And if you take money out of that tax base to give people money towards health insurance that is a unfunded tax credit adding to the defict.
So in order for these tax credits to be paid for they would have to have something like the cigerette tax to pay for them.
Ive seen where there already eyeiing sodas for sin taxes to pay for bull crap like these tax credits they talk about in this bill.
Atleast in Obamas bill there is a trigger which states if they can't find the funding in savings or taxes propsed then the bill will no go into effect until the funding is found.
Lets see that put into these Republicans bill and they would never go into effect becuase there is no fund for them only defict adding tax cuts and subsidies.
Anything that takes the Tax payers money and reinvests it into the health care is a good thing when approached in this manner!
Originally posted by carewemust
Will the public have the chance to review/debate/discuss the
FINAL bill for any length of time before the President signs it?
Will the public have the chance to review/debate/discuss the
FINAL bill for any length of time before the President signs it?
I'd hate for the final piece of legislation to be formed in secret
and immediately signed into law by the President.
Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by mental modulator
There are a lot of "Federal" solutions, but the alternative is to stand by and do nothing, or wait for the states to act on their own.
You know what they say: "Be careful what you ask for ... ."
jw
3) PLAN PARTICIPATION- A State shall not restrict or otherwise limit the ability of a health insurance plan to participate in, and offer health insurance coverage through, the State Exchange, so long as the health insurance issuers involved are duly licensed under State insurance laws applicable to all health insurance issuers in the State and otherwise comply with the requirements of this title.
(4) PREMIUMS-
(A) AMOUNT- A State shall not determine premium or cost sharing amounts for health insurance coverage offered through the State Exchange.
(B) COLLECTION METHOD- A State shall ensure the existence of an effective and efficient method for the collection of premiums for health insurance coverage offered through the State Exchange.
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
• Recognizes that one of the largest obstacles for many small businesses when it comes to retaining current employees or creating new jobs is the cost of health insurance. The plan allows states, small businesses, associations, and other organizations to band together and offer health insurance at lower costs.
This is not a subsidy! It;'s a way for employers to 'self insure' their employees with a tax break and guidelines. Anything that takes the Tax payers money and reinvests it into the health care is a good thing when approached in this manner!
Zindo
(3) GUARANTEED ACCESS FOR INDIVIDUALS- The State Exchange shall ensure that, with respect to health insurance coverage offered through the Exchange, all eligible individuals are able to enroll in the coverage of their choice provided that such individuals agree to make applicable premium and cost sharing payments.
(4) LIMITATION ON PRE-EXISTING CONDITION EXCLUSIONS- The State Exchange shall ensure that health insurance coverage offered through the Exchange meets the requirements of section 9801 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 in the same manner as if such coverage was a group health plan.
So this bill does not want to do away with state borders in regards to competition?
Or does this just apply to the exchange, do you know off the top of your head?
" The plan allows states, small businesses, associations, and other organizations to band together and offer health insurance at lower costs."
How is this different than Osatans Health insurance exchange???
"(3) GUARANTEED ACCESS FOR INDIVIDUALS- The State Exchange shall ensure that, with respect to health insurance coverage offered through the Exchange, all eligible individuals are able to enroll in the coverage of their choice provided that such individuals agree to make applicable premium and cost sharing payments.
(4) LIMITATION ON PRE-EXISTING CONDITION EXCLUSIONS- The State Exchange shall ensure that health insurance coverage offered through the Exchange meets the requirements of section 9801 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 in the same manner as if such coverage was a group health plan."
A negative for me - Same ol on the preexisting conditions in regards to access to the exchange.
"Still trucking."
But the there is a high risk pool
my eyes are bleeding... will get back to it
Originally posted by jdub297
Want to look for yourself?
I doubt it, because you haven’t read HR 3200, “Obamacare,” either. You just know that since ABC,CBS, NBC, CNN and other of the MSM say it’s good for you, then it MUST be the only answer. The RIGHT answer.
Here’s a list from the House (there’s others in the Senate, too, if you care):
H.R. 77; H.R. 109; H.R. 198; H.R. 270; H.R. 321; H.R. 464; H.R. 502; H.R. 544; H.R. 917; H.R. 1086; H.R. 1118; H.R. 1441; H.R. 1458; H.R. 1468; H.R. 1658; H.R. 1891; H.R. 2520; H.R. 2607; H.R. 2692; H.R. 2784; H.R. 2785; H.R. 2786; H.R. 2787; H.R. 3141; H.R. 3217; H.R. 3218; H.R. 3356; H.R. 3372; H.R. 3400; H.R. 3438; H.R. 3454; and H.R. 3478.
Wake up; smell the roses. Or, read the proposals. Think for yourselves before you jump to the MSM’s conclusion.
Deny ignorance.
jw
[edit on 12-9-2009 by jdub297]
Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by nixie_nox
So basically even if it had been mentioned in the news, you wouldn't know about it yet you're still pointing fingers at Republicans for not making the media talk about their bills?
Fox was talking about DeMint's bill back in June and the Patients Choice Act in May. They're the only ones who've bothered to even mention it.
The rest of the media was talking about Michelle Obama's clothes and the Obama's dog at the time. Those were apparently very important political issues that just had to be covered instead of any health care bills.