The Porno Deciet that could jail millions...

For those of you who are honest, you will admit that at one time or another you have browsed the net for adult material. It doesn't matter if you condone or agree with this practice, the point I have still remains.

Every once in a while, on a seemingly trusted porn site, you might have come across a video containing a young woman in a sex act. You click it, however there is no age verification legal notices or any particular trusted site source watermarked on the video. You soon realize that the girl in the video may or may not be 18 years old. So you click out of the video.
Most men and women fail to realize that those videos often remain in your Temp files. In other words you still retain ownership of that material.

Now, there are 10's of millions of people in ,United States alone, who could possibly have child porn video stored in their computer's Temp files. We're talking millions of illegal videos here.

The conspiracy I have thought of is this. If Law enforcement and DHS were to tag and track those transfers, then they could potentially have legal charges against most of it's citizens. Something they could keep on file should the time come when you start to misbehave.

This is a scary reality which could very well be happening. I can't help but recall the increasing number of high profile people torn down with charges of illegal child porn.

Any thoughts? And BTW, I'd don't really care if you like porn or not so this thread isn't about your views on internet porn. I'm just bringing up a concern so take it easy!!

[edit on 11-9-2009 by juzchilln]

reply to post by juzchilln


That is a great point, and it goes to more than porn! And each count is a separate crime!!

My computer makes me a nervous wreck! If I were investigated for any outrageous thing, they could possibly search my home and find plenty of other 'real' things to charge me with!!

Music? Videos? Porn? Copyrighted Books? Email correspondence discussing Conspiracies?

At one point a guy was made out to be a terrorist because he had 5000 rounds of ammo and 3 guns in his house! At the time I had 8 guns and about 30,000 rounds!!

If someone was out to get us, it would not be hard to do! We are all law breakers at all times! Just about anything could be viewed as "Obstructing Justice" or "Resisting Arrest" or "Lying to a Police Officer."

With so many laws on the books, it is just a matter of finding one to fit your particular situation and then adding on a bunch of other things that become criminal when done in conjunction with another crime. For example, all my guns are legally registered, but if I am found committing any other crime (say music piracy, or porn, or consensual un-missionary sex with my wife), then it is an additional crime to possess the guns and ammo during commission of a crime?!!?

We are all sitting ducks, but luckily they don't have the resources to arrest us all at once!

Porn?!? Only perverts search for porn! Just kidding. But can't say I've ever seen these things because I'm married and dont have much time to be searching for porn.

I do however see all kinda random ads and popups on like every site I go to. I make it a habit of not clicking anything unless its something hosted on the site I'm on.

Also there are programs that will go through your computer and delete temp files and all the other crap that gets stored, you can set them to check the computer like once a day or once a week... Stuff like that. I'd reccomend trying those if you worried you have stuff stored somewhere on your comp.

Or you can manually delete all that stuff.


[edit on 11-9-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

I look at porn when ever I want(every cupple of nights, there is no conspiracy surrounding porn, you're delusional, anything posted on a public website(porn website) will be removed, even if it's child porn, the base users will not be effected.

To wit, you don't have to actually intentionally visit. Porn could pop up from a malicious ad, or a search result, or can even be emdedded in a hidden iframe on a web page.

My thoughts? Set your browser's caching to refresh from the web page every time and clear the cache when you close the browser. Don't keep anything but cookies on your puter (cookies are helpful for remembering passwords, etc.)

reply to post by jeasahtheseer


You can never erase things from your harddrive!! NEVER! I have a friend in computer tech for the FBI!

They hardly ever use it, but electron scanning equipment can take dozens of layers of info from your hard disk!! So, you may wipe it, and save over it many times, but they can still recover the majority of things you have ever done!!

It is expensive and time consuming, and is only pulled out in extreme cases (Enron!), but the technology is there!

A good speaker magnet and hot fire destroy things pretty well though!

Off-topic: Married ? and No Porn? I'm confused? I never started looking until I got married! I used to chase the real girls!

Don't believe me if you want, but I have never search the web for porn. Those sites are crawling with computer destroying goodies.

If you must look at internet porn then go to sites that do not promote young women or barely legal teens.

reply to post by getreadyalready


This is true. I am a programmer and have many friends who are ex hackers and "rehabilitated" and such and work in computer security now and I've heard many a stories about their buddies getting busted and stuff and they thought they had deleted everything, but they still managed to get to it! Back in the early 80s and 90s it was actually MUCH easier to get everything off your harddrive permanently but its harder nowadays.

Also encrypting stuff doesnt work either, because if the fbi really wants you they can just run your files through a super computer and break your encryption fast no matter how many layers you have.

Theres a hacker that got busted in the 90s named Kevin Poulson, he used to scam radio stations and rig their contest phone lines so he could win whatever it was they were giving away. Anyways, the government got him and he supposedly had his files encrypted like 1000 times over or something and they ran it through a super computer and cracked them fast supposedly. And super computer time is damned expensive but if the gov really wants you theyll use it, kinda like that stuff you were talking about, they dont always use it, but if they really want you they will.

Nothing is secure.

As far as I know, and I'm not good with computer security type stuff, but I've heard one of the best ways to actually get something deleted off your computer is to write another file directly over it. Or you can just burn the computer..

[edit on 11-9-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

[edit on 11-9-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

reply to post by getreadyalready


Depends...using Dban,set to autonuke and leave for about 36 hours and any data would for all intensive purposes be gone.Uses the same alogrithms that many government agencies use to wipe their hard drives.Best option is just to incinerate though.Sorry for Off topic.As for the underage porn thing.I find it highly unlikely(but possible) that someone searching for simple teen porn or alike would find themselves with underage teen porn,the likely hood goes up if it was say amateur porn etc etc.Like i said it's possible but if people just stick to legitimate sites i find it impossible that you would come across such things.Oh and stay away from p2p as it is even more likely to stumble across something that you didn't wish to.



[edit on 11-9-2009 by Solomons]

Well the laws surrounding the internet are VERY shaky and even more so with something like this. With the child pornography i believe law enforcement to be more focused on people who make and share it. If you are found to have a large collection they assume you are in on an undergorund trading ring.
People would not get in trouble for one or two files in a temp folder. In cases like this the state has to proove intent and one or two illegal temp files in a batch of legal porn would look like an honest mistake. If the LA times put out it's sunday edition and had illegal photographs in it and it was distributed the paper would be at fault. They would not go arround rounding up millions of people for possesion. Much like if you went into a bank to make a deposit and the teller gives you al the money in the drawer and hits the silent alarm for no reason at all you would not be guilty of bank robbing.
There is no conspiracy i know of on this but what i do know is that a friend of mine was a web site creater worked with an adult site for a little while. He told me that the one he worked on if yo were to search their site for anything illegal you would be directed to a fake page that displayed your IP iaddress and said it was being tracked by the FBI. They didn't really work with the FBI it just helped keep the pervs off the site.

Solution :

clean out your temp folder

Defragment

if worse comes to worse destroy physical evidence, ie HD

reply to post by Solomons

Like i said it's possible but if people just stick to legitimate sites i find it impossible that you would come across such things.Oh and stay away from p2p as it is even more likely to stumble across something that you didn't wish to.

I agree, I don't think you would run across any Child Porn by accident. It is well hidden and (probably) expensive! Definitely don't trust P2P stuff!!

However, it doesn't have to be Child Porn to be illegal! In Florida and other states, many types of 'typical' porn are illegal!! They just busted a big-time, mainstream guy this year!!

I am certain that if you have ever looked at porn, you have probably run across things that could be deemed illegal!

reply to post by jd140



JD140, that's just my point. I was talking about visiting sites that are thought of as legit. Obviously I'm not talking about questionable sites we intentionally go to.

The question is, are any of these legit sites questionable?

It is true that the FBI can easily recover deleted data from a Hard-drive that has been intentionally written over up to 13 times. However, that is the limit of recovery, currently. Military Grade tools will allow you to render deleted files unreadable by FBI standards. Likewise, At Boot Encryption is a good way to go as well, and if you use strong 4096-bit or greater Triple-Encryption then unless you provide your passphrase then no one is going to be reading that data, not even the government!

I am not afraid to admit that I watch porn. My girl-friend watches it with me and truth be told, she seems to enjoy it far more than I do. However, I've gotten into the practice of downloading the 18 U.S.C. 2257 Disclaimer with every video or picture I download and keep them in the same folder. That way, I have plausible denial-ability. Part of the law requires the "knowing" transmission or possession of Child Pornography be proven to be found guilty. If a video or picture had a 18 U.S.C. 2257 Disclaimer or Notice, then in good faith you were not "knowingly" commiting a crime. At that point, the law can go after the Source for "knowingly" distributing as well as fraud.

As far as accidentally coming across Child Pornography, I'm not saying that it doesn't exist in the open on the Internet, but I highly doubt it. Because it is something that is universally prosecuted with zeal by every nation on this planet, they are going to exist behind Authenticated Logins or traded via encrypted and trusted networks. Within a day or two of something like that being posted in the open, it is going to be taken down and everyone from the Host Provider to the person posting it is going to be either arrested or slapped with a Warrant and Subpoena.

I think a greater thing to fear, in regards to unknowingly or unwittingly possessing Child Pornography is those images that are hidden using Steganography. Pictures could be hidden undetected as other innocuous images or embedded within video. That copy of Disney's Alice in Wonderland you downloaded for your daughter might actually contain an extra 200 pictures of Kiddie Porn! That Flower Wallpaper that you downloaded for your wife's computer might actually contain another picture encrypted within it that is illegal! I might be against the overly strict IP Laws in the United States, but this is one reason alone that I obey IP Laws and only download content to my computer that is trusted or was made by myself or those that I trust. It's not just malware, spyware and viruses that you have to worry about anymore, but encrypted Kiddie Porn too.

Thankfully, the FBI’s Sexual Assault Felony Enforcement (SAFE) Team, in cooperation with the Innocent Images International Task Force, have done a remarkable job at keeping most of us safe from unwittingly coming across such things, but one still can't be too careful.

If there is truly a worry of being busted, the only solution is THERMITE!

They can't find crap from a blob of formerly molten metal.

All the encryptions, unless you are a supergenius who created his own unique, never before done encryption, have their algorithms stored by the feds, so it's just a matter of looking at the files to see the encryption type and using the algorithm to break it. Easy Pezy.

Wiping your drives and overwriting is said to be secure(DOD supposedly uses 7 passes), but like was said, the govt always wins. I still use Eraser for 7 pass overwriting, but that's just for personal privacy, I have no delusion that it will stop the govt from reading what they want. They do however have a 35 pass Gutmann option but I haven't used it. the 7 pass takes a whole day, I can't imagine going 5 days without my computer.

Solution- get a Mac.


One can not be held responsible for clicking on a redirect or pop-up, anymore than one can be for spam messages sent to their e-mail account.

If anyone such as even the government wanted to frame someone, most likely they would find a way, even if you destroyed your HD.

I think it depends on what kind of threat or usefulness you serve. No doubt they have cheaper ways of getting rid of someone. Prisons cost much more than they want to spend on someone. Another reason why some are likely targeted in prisons for elimination by gangs.

When I saw the title I thought, damn Im going to jail well this is interesting. I have always been told that you cant really erase anything off your computer, someone will always be able to retrieve it. I know many watch porn but if you didnt know they were underage why should you be in jail? If there is no disclaimer then should you be jailed for not knowing? no! Shouldnt they worry about who filmed it and made it?! Anyways.....there goes more privacy.

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Which begs the answer to the question which is, will the authorities just charge you for having the material on your computer, regardless of where it came from? I mean, they have the evidence and since it was nothing more than a "reason" to haul you into jail, it'll be buried under what other charges they get you on. Now that they have you in Jail.

reply to post by juzchilln


I believe, if they already have found a reason to search your computer, then yes, they will charge you for whatever they can find, no matter where it came from!!

There was a guy recently that claimed his cat downloaded stuff by laying on his keyboard!!

Also, it is easy to 'accidentally' click on a pop up or redirect, but how could you ever prove it was an accident? They already have a suspicion or they wouldn't be looking, so when they find the evidence, no excuse is going to fly!