Obama: 'If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out'

reply to post by astrij


"Without this bill" does not equal "status quo."

There are at least 4 alternative proposals that the dems will never let out.

I do not favor the status quo. All of the alternatives call for strict accountability on ins. cos.

There needs to be reform, but not THIS reform.

jw

Originally posted by patent98310
wow you guys...

Personally i liked the attitude in which he addressed this issue.
Maybe the bill isn't so well put together yet, but you got to admit this is one thing Obama is right to want to change.

Now minus the name calling (socialist, fascist, yada yada) really look at this in full spectrum and ignore the needless arguments designed to confuse you.

Many people need this; they do not have the money to pay for another accident or sickness. It works if it is done right, so that's what all of us should be working towards.


[edit on 9-9-2009 by patent98310]

Great post and right on the money. There is so much misinformation being thrown around by the comedians like Hannity and Limbaugh and Coulter. Comedians that people take seriously. Does anyone take George Carlin that seriously or Monty Python? LOL jeesh We all heard the Republican rebuttal tonight. It was canned and read word for word and obviously written well before the presidents speech was given. Couldn't they find someone smart enough to comment on his actual speech. Before you label me a democrat...let me be clear the I believe that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Ried should both be waterboarded and thrown in a hole. I'm just saying that the power the Drug companies and Health insurance companies have is sickening. Why aren't more people on ATS against them and for some type of major healthcare reform?

Edit to add: President Reagan, Bush sr and Bush Jr. and many years of Congressional numbers to push bills through. Why have the only too serious tries for health care reform came from two democratic presidents?

[edit on 10-9-2009 by amazing]

Originally posted by jdub297

Originally posted by mental modulator

There's a difference. If employers don't offer it any more, and ins. cos. can't compete, then we can't KEEP our ins. But, no one "forced" us to change; we just won't have a choice anymore.

Google "Republican health care" and you'll find at least 4 different bills that the Dems will never let see the light of day.


[edit on 10-9-2009 by jdub297]

Sure you will have a choice, if the entire GOP base chose to keep private insurance
on principle the industry we adapt. The postal Office has not put fed ex out of business
now has it? And the public transportation creates tax revenue and business because there are alternatives. Police Dept/ Private security - Government cheese/ Supreme brie - DWP - Brita - USDA SELECT - FREE RANGE NZ BEEF - MTA - LIMO
................................

As far as the GOP bills...

how many years did the GOP have with the POTUS, SENATE and HOUSE in this decade???
Its evident that the GOP does not want to do anything, seems they only want to address the issue when the dems go for it. 92 -93 and now -

Paired with all the wild claims it appears that the goal is to kill Obamas presidency.

The GOP is pro business, you guys want to protect that ideology and all it entails at all cost.





[edit on 10-9-2009 by mental modulator]

Originally posted by Alxandro
Is the President of these here United States making a threat?

I say bring it on.

dumb. ass.

So lets say if i disagree with something, i can make an easily distracting and 'ooooh shiny' comment, and people will give me stars and agree?
So that's how ATS works....

reply to post by Mak Manto


Is not such thing as free health care, the private insurance will still be the biggest player in Obama's plan, the 10 percent that are very poor or needy will not have insurance still without a public option, we will be penalized for on obeying the government mandate, we are in an economic crisis, this bill is not free, we the reminding people with taxable income will be paying for all this.

In this nation we have already mandated government insurance that is nothing than the biggest fiasco since it was pushed upon tax payers pay roll in the 60s by Republicans, is call Medicare and Medicaid.

If the government has failed for 40 years to control Medicare and Medicaid cost run by then how they are going to keep private insurance from keep gouging the tax payer now with mandatory health care insurance.

Learn people from past mistakes, Our government has failed miserable when it comes to monitor corporations and protect the people and tax payer in the nation.

The same way that Medicare and Medicaid is taken our of our checks every pay day without our consent so this new health care will be pushed the same way.

And private insurance will have a hand dipping into our pay checks you wanted or not with the watchful eye of the IRS to make sure you pay your dues just like we do with Medicare and Medicaid.

This health care reform in the state is right now is heading for disaster and the public will fight it even if the government does what they are been doing best lately, shove their bills up the butts of tax payer Americans.

double post
sorry

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reply to post by mental modulator

how many years did the GOP have with the POTUS, SENATE and HOUSE in this decade???
Its evident that the GOP does not want to do anything, seems they only want to address the issue when the dems go for it. 92 -93 and now -

Guess who blocked the last Health Care Reform bill during a Republican admin.?

T. Kennedy (D - Mass.)

If you'd read the bills, you'd see that they do not protect insurance cos.

I despise the current system. As I've posted elsewhere, ANY system where someone else determines how much is paid for which service FAILS the "customer" - the patient!

Can't you think outside the box, or are you locked in?

PEOPLE need to have more control over the cost of services, and the choice of providers.

NOT insurance.

And certainly NOT government.

Wake up and learn something instead of spouting ideology.

The best alternative is for the customer (the patient) to make the choice of provider and service. And payment. If WE were the only ones responsible for doctors' and hospitals' charges, they wouldn't charge so much.

When we let some third-party make those decisions WE LOSE! Don't you understand that?

Or do you want someone to make all your choices for you? Even the most important ones?

Deny Ignorance!

jw

[edit on 10-9-2009 by jdub297]

OK. Let's "call out" an outright lie.

Obama Misrepresents Insurance Case

This is the sad story of Mr. Otto Raddatz, a case that Mr. Obama has cited several times before, including in his August 16th editorial in the New York Times.

For the record, however, the case is not the way Mr. Obama has characterized it, at least according to the sworn testimony of Mr. Raddatz’s sister.

Despite Mr. Obama’s claims, Mr. Raddatz’s treatment was never delayed. And he did not die because of it.

Meanwhile, in this very same speech Mr. Obama accused others of misrepresenting the facts.

sweetness-light.com...

Prove this is not true, he lies.

Of course, Obama can count on the fact that the majority of people who hear him will not question his words or their veracity. They take it on faith. He's counting on his sheep to lead the flock.

No one has misrepresented the need for, or terms of, the pending healthcare bill than Barack Obama!

Deny ignorance.
jw

Originally posted by Mak Manto
reply to post by warrenb

 

You've been lied to by people who don't want health care reform.

You're being told this by people who WANT THE SAME SYSTEM.

The system that sucks, the system EVERYONE SAYS THAT BLOWS, is being praised by people who are against Obama's plan.

How can you not see this?

Did I say I like our system as is? NO! Am I against "Obama's plan?" HELL YES!

My first post in this thread will show you EXACTLY how to fix the problem. I will reiterate for you.

1.) Insurance reform

2.) Tort reform

3.) Healthy competition

The government can't run a whorehouse correctly, yet you want them to take over health care? lol

Hell, yes.

Government-run health care will help out a lot of problems. Sorry to say, Lemon, but you don't have a plan for the millions of people who don't have insurance and are unable to get it.

Pretty much, in the end, you're screwing them off.

Originally posted by Mak Manto
Hell, yes.

Government-run health care will help out a lot of problems. Sorry to say, Lemon, but you don't have a plan for the millions of people who don't have insurance and are unable to get it.

Pretty much, in the end, you're screwing them off.

The three item's I mentioned will lower health costs. Plain and simple.

And once again . . . if the government can't run a whorehouse, how in the hell do you expect them to run health care?



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reply to post by Mak Manto


Obviously you are not very informed on how Obama health care is going to work.

Read my words, without jobs the needy or very poor, still will not have a health care and still will fall under Medicare and Medicaid, only those with taxable income are going to fall into the mandatory Obama reform because they are the ones easily monitored by the IRS.

Get it, without public option is going to be uninsured anyway.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


That's your interpretation of government-run programs.

And your ideas of, "it will lower health care costs" does not answer many important questions.

Insurance companies will refuse to have you sign on because of pre-conditions, correct?

Insurance companies will still try to game the system, correct?

Your plan sucks, Lemon.

Originally posted by Mak Manto
Hell, yes.

Government-run health care will help out a lot of problems. Sorry to say, Lemon, but you don't have a plan for the millions of people who don't have insurance and are unable to get it.

Pretty much, in the end, you're screwing them off.

Okay... so it's 'smart' to screw the people who can afford it for the sake of people who can't afford it.

A charming idea.

But saying that the Government has to do it means that the Government will leeching out of the people's money AND rights.

Look, people help people all the time. We don't NEED the government to do it for us. Furthermore, we don't NEED to be penalized for something that SHOULD be the responsibility of by the people.

Concern for the poor is noble. But it's dishonorable for them to screw us over, those who can afford it.

reply to post by GambitVII


We already been screw over, if you work you earn a check the IRS and the government makes sure that you pay for the needs of those that can not afford insurance, is call Medicare and Medicaid.

Originally posted by redhead57
These are not primarily people on welfare.

Well Duh Obama, they get medicade! You would think the POTUS wouldn't make dumb mistakes like this. Sadly this is part of the resentment against those on welfare, they get better health care than many that are paying out the nose for it. They do need to fix the system but heaven only knows how.

There are easier fixes than government control. Do some research. I'm still in the beginnings of it but what we need to do is find out how many health insurance agencies are allowed in each state. This, it seems, has been regulated by the government. Why? I heard, and am trying to verify the totals, that California has 6 companies for people to choose from. Out of THOUSANDS! Are you kidding me? SIX! Where is the free market in that? Where is the incentive to compete for customers there?

It's basic business. Introduce more competition and the crap will fall by the way. Prices will drop and more and more companies will PAY for the bills that occur instead of coming up with loopholes for dumping it on the clients. Why will it work? Like I said, basic business and competition. Those that try to pull the crap that they are pulling now will soon find themselves out of business. The AETNA's and Blue Crosses of the world will find that they have to actually follow through with their plans instead of cause trouble for people. They are too big as it is anyways.

Open it up to all agencies and we'll see a huge drop in costs and more covereage.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by GambitVII

 

We already been screw over, if you work you earn a check the IRS and the government makes sure that you pay for the needs of those that can not afford insurance, is call Medicare and Medicaid.

Aha, how could I forget. Just speaking about how things are just getting worse

reply to post by jdub297


This is the ultimate goal. I agree wholeheartedly with you on this. I feel that the first step is to open up the competition within what we currently have in place to have them start to fight over lowering the costs. Then eventually we need to implement this type of system where the patient chooses where to go, who to see and how much to pay. Period.

However, that still won't help those that have the major issues that can come up like cancer treatments or organ transplants and so on. Or the emergency treatments from accidents and such that require a massive amount of surgery. Sure, your option works for the everyday situation but not for the high impact unforeseen situations.

Originally posted by Mak Manto
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

 

That's your interpretation of government-run programs.

. . .

Are you friggin' kidding me?

My interpretation of government run programs?

FACT: Mustang Ranch made over $100 million.

FACT: Mustang Ranch was seized over bad taxes

FACT: The government took control of Mustang Ranch

FACT: Mustang Ranch went bankrupt


These are facts, buddy, not my opinion or interpretation. The same goes for every other government program.

Nice try though.