Obama: 'If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out'

The White House has released excerpts of President Obama's address to Congress tonight:

EXCERPTS OF THE PRESIDENT'S ADDRESS TO A JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS TONIGHT:

I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last. It has now been nearly a century since Theodore Roosevelt first called for health care reform. And ever since, nearly every President and Congress, whether Democrat or Republican, has attempted to meet this challenge in some way. A bill for comprehensive health reform was first introduced by John Dingell Sr. in 1943. Sixty-five years later, his son continues to introduce that same bill at the beginning of each session.

Our collective failure to meet this challenge – year after year, decade after decade – has led us to a breaking point. Everyone understands the extraordinary hardships that are placed on the uninsured, who live every day just one accident or illness away from bankruptcy. These are not primarily people on welfare. These are middle-class Americans. Some can't get insurance on the job. Others are self-employed, and can't afford it, since buying insurance on your own costs you three times as much as the coverage you get from your employer. Many other Americans who are willing and able to pay are still denied insurance due to previous illnesses or conditions that insurance companies decide are too risky or expensive to cover......

Read the rest here: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

I'm sorry Obama but in it's current form I will not accept the bill.
The bill takes away more freedoms and hands them to Big Pharma as well as gives the IRS more power over WE THE PEOPLE. And if the bill passes and we refuse to get a government certified insurance plan, we get fined. How does that help anyone?

JUST SAY NO!

This is not about dems/repubs/black/white/left/right, this is about the CRAP that's in the bill that does NOT belong there.


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In other words . . .

"If you do not read it the way I say you should read it, you will be labeled as a bigoted terrorist."

So anybody want to take a wager on how much his approval ratings drop after tonight's speech? I'm going to wager a point and a half.

From the excerpts posted he isn't saying anything new or different, he still isn't explaining anything, he pretty much says "Trust Me, I'm telling the truth, and if you don't think I am telling the truth then I will call you out"

Yea, it's all the tactics we have already seen for the past 7 months, he isn't going to get anywhere with this. Not to mention I don't know if it is political tricks or not but the congress is split, if the house says no plan with out the public option will pass, and the senate says a plan with the public option will pass.

Yea, I see a miserable failure in Obama's future. You go ahead and get mad Obama and watch the people get mad right back at you.

These are not primarily people on welfare.

Well Duh Obama, they get medicade! You would think the POTUS wouldn't make dumb mistakes like this. Sadly this is part of the resentment against those on welfare, they get better health care than many that are paying out the nose for it. They do need to fix the system but heaven only knows how.

Originally posted by redhead57
They do need to fix the system but heaven only knows how.

How about getting the insurance companies not to back out and leave the patient with the bill and have there HMO cover things in full, like the incurence client has been paying towords.

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1.) Insurance reform

2.) Tort reform

3.) Some healthy competition.

wow you guys...

Personally i liked the attitude in which he addressed this issue.
Maybe the bill isn't so well put together yet, but you got to admit this is one thing Obama is right to want to change.

Now minus the name calling (socialist, fascist, yada yada) really look at this in full spectrum and ignore the needless arguments designed to confuse you.

Many people need this; they do not have the money to pay for another accident or sickness. It works if it is done right, so that's what all of us should be working towards.


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Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
So anybody want to take a wager on how much his approval ratings drop after tonight's speech? I'm going to wager a point and a half.

I bet he gains a couple points. The cult of Obama will be reinvigorated. Critics will be demonized. My bet is he will use the H1N1 to scare the population into accepting a bill written by the far left, which he hasn't even read. I don't believe in false-flag attacks, but I wouldn't put anything past this administration.

Is the President of these here United States making a threat?

I say bring it on.

Originally posted by patent98310
wow you guys...

Personally i liked the attitude in which he addressed this issue.
Maybe the bill isn't so well put together yet, but you got to admit this is one thing Obama is right to want to change.

Now minus the name calling (socialist, fascist, yada yada) really look at this in full spectrum and ignore the needless arguments designed to confuse you.

Government run health care? I say NO!

Link

^^That is part of the reason

Every alphabet soup organization presented by Roosevelt had a single purpose: To be a temporary crutch to get the country out of the Depression. Every program was to be removed once that goal was reached.

The only one repealed was the CCC. The only one that had the benefit of paying people for working on a public works project. Something in return for the "handout".

SSI was to pay money to the retired and people incapable of working who had lost the benefit of company pensions lost in the stock market/company bankruptcy and the numerous charities that helped the indigent that no longer received donations due to the financial hardship the entire country was facing.

ATF (Revenuers) were to investigate, collect taxes and destroy illegal (it was Prohibition) alcohol manufacturing. Prohibition itself had placed many local economies in jeopardy to begin with as nearly every city had several distilleries that made primarily beer as no infrastructure was for rapid interstate commerce for beer. Parallels can be drawn to anti-smoking bans effecting local service economies (bars, bowling alleys, pool halls) today in many states that have/enforce them.

FBI. Investigate and remove organized criminal elements as people tried to make a comfortable living by engaging in illegal activities (gambling, racketeering, prostitution, drugs, muder for hire...). Funny that Eliot Ness's Untouchable G-Men never took down Al Capone due to a lack of credible evidence...it was the IRS that did, for tax evasion.

This could become a very long post and I hope those examples suffice.

He would tell Insurance companies how to run their business.

He would MANDATE that everyone get insurance.

He will raise taxes.

He will provide the "public option".

-yup-
we're screwed.

The Government has had a 100% failure rate on every program they have run including a money making Whore House. (ATS ) If they can not even run a Whore House and make a profit how in Hades can you believe something as complicated as this proposed health care system will be better than what we have now?

Please bare in mind the Bankers have found a way to make money off the health Care bill.

The mechanism here is basically the same as the one used for mortgage-backed securities. Wall Street buys up life policies from elderly or ill people, who sell them for up-front cash that can be enjoyed before actual death (similar to those brokered arrangements with terminally ill HIV patients that received so much attention in the late eighties). They then take those policies and dump them into a securitized pool, where they can then be packaged as bonds and sold to investors who would get paid off when the policyholders die. ATS

Now you know why Doctors are required to talk the elderly into committing suicide - the Bankers can make money!

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The white house said the speech would clarify everything.......Simply more platitudes, no specifics........

I'm surprised at what's being said on here...

How is it fair and balanced that opponents of health care get to call his plan socialist, that his plan will lead to death panels and such, but when Obama says he will call them out on the the fact they're brandying fear, why is he bad?

Is President Obama not allowed to stick up for his ideas?

Real fair... Isn't that, oh, let me see, IGNORANT?

And what is the motto at ATS?

Deny ignorance.

Deny the ignorant thought that someone should not be allowed to strike back at someone who is denouncing their plan...

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He can stick up for them. He should not be surprised when everyone does not agree with him.

He should also not push to hard.

No, you see, that's where you're wrong.

Opponents are pushing as hard as they want. Why is he not allowed to? Is this not a democracy where free speech is allowed?

If opponents will call his plan bad, be prepared.

It's just as fair.

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He should also not push to hard.

Are you pushing hard to defeat his plan?

Fair is Fair as long as Obama doesn't use government agencies to go after the people who are against his plan.

IMO, his only weapon should be the media when he attempts to correct those who he believes are misrepresenting his plan.

Originally posted by Mak Manto
No, you see, that's where you're wrong.

Opponents are pushing as hard as they want. Why is he not allowed to? Is this not a democracy where free speech is allowed?

If opponents will call his plan bad, be prepared.

It's just as fair.

Obama has a plan? Can you post a link to it?

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