Saudis to Americans: Don't event think about energy independence

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman


All the Saudis are doing is pointing out the facts. At this point in the game we do not have an officially acknowledged and publicly known alternative to petroleum which has a POSITIVE ENERGY YIELD. And that is ultimately the kicker. You can talk all you want about ethanol and other biofuels, but the tech is not there. You can talk about electric which will be somewhat once we get our own rare earth mineral resources to create batteries online but is currently just an opportunity to shift debt from the Saudis to the Chinese.

In addition to all these technical obstacles, you have the fact that the corporate elite have no reason to invest the R&D needed to overcome these concerns in short order.

If Obama had any real desire to go green, or if the Republicans had any real interest in unleashing the power of the free market, they would offer the following proposals:

The first automotive company to have offer a zero-emission 100% renewable power vehicle with a top speed of 85 mph for under 25,000 will become a tax-free entity along the lines of a church for a period of 25 years. This means that everyone from the CEO to the Janitor is also exempt from Federal Income Tax. Said company will be required to share the necessary technology with domestic competitors after a 3 year exclusivity window.

The first company to create an coast to coast renewable alternative fuel infrastructure (i.e. Exxon Mobil equips their existing stations) will receive the same deal as above.

The first company to reliably provide 100% clean renewable electricity to a population 4,000,000 or more will remain tax free until obsolesence.

All these tax exempt time periods would come with a 5 year reacclimation period.

That's the way they should be doing it. As opposed to the current methods that want to throw money at the problem without a plan (Dems) or give big companies tax breaks with the assumption that they will magnaminously pour it into R&D rather than padding the bottom line (Repubs).

The Saudis know this isn't going to happen. Our government doesn't have the spine for it. So they figure they can throw their weight around a little bit. Fug 'em. Their right. But I don't need to like it.

reply to post by RobertAntonWeishaupt


What an excellent and insightful post sir. If only there were more intelligent people such as yourself with the government's ear.

Originally posted by frankensence

So, what flag do we raise above the White House?

Why do you insinuate this is a White House issue (in effect blaming Obama) when this is clearly an issue of the military leadership being beholden to Saudis. The military has always been staunchly pro-Republican. After 9/11 the military (under the Bush admin.) bent over backwards to escort Saudis out of the country for their "protection".

Uh,perhaps because obama (the White House) is also the commander-in-chief of the U.S. military.

This is an EXTREMELY disturbing issue, the American people must be the ones to resist this form of enslavement because our military leadership is in the back pocket of foreign interests.

Couldn't agree more. History repeats again when you look back at the Roman Empire and see that they went down hill after allowing foreign emperors and then farming out the military to foreigners.

Originally posted by Wildbob77
The Saudi royal family lives in fear that the US will decide to become energy independent.

They are very concerned about hybrid and/or electric vehicles becoming a standard or required. They also are concerned about alternative fuels.

Why, because if the US tried, it could be energy independent in less than a decade. Other countries ie China and India would follow our lead.

The only income that Saudi Arabia has is it's oil. If oil loses its value, Saudi Arabia loses its only source of income. That would cause an implosion in the Kingdom.

I don't think they say these things out of fear, they say them out of arrogance, because they know that even if America starts toward energy independence, it will take us much longer than a decade to achieve it, given the current state of the culture here. For the large part, Americans love the gas guzzlers. Even if we do achieve independence in one or two areas there are so many areas that utilize oil that they have nothing to fear for a very long time. Petroleum is used in many, many areas including: gasoline, diesel, jet, heating, and other fuel oils, liquefied petroleum gas, and many chemical products, including pharmaceuticals, solvents, fertilizers, pesticides, and plastics.

The addiction is a very deep one. Still think we'll be independent in a decade?

The saudi royal family are scared to death of any loss of income from
their oilfields. When they stop getting revenue to fund their
welfare state the wahabists will rise up and oust them.

This has been brewing for decades and all the money they sent
to fund islamic extremists (al qaeda/taleban) will come back home to roost.

They fed the beast and without the oil income it will jump
the leash and devour the Saudi royals.