Obama won, get over it

Here's an article on the "gunman" -cue dramatic music-

www.azcentral.com...

Originally posted by Walkswithfish

By then America will be completely controlled by an ever expanding government, and that government will be dominated completely by national and international corporate interests, manipulated by global agendas etc. The American people will find themselves oppressed by insanely higher taxes, new restrictions on freedom and liberty, fewer jobs and much higher costs of living.

Starred! But, that was too easy a prediction to make. One only needs to review the track record of politics for, say, the past 50 years or so.

My complaint is that We the People continue to elect D's and R's, over and over and over and expect things to change. And, after we do, we begin arguing amongst ourselves like children. 'My President can beat up your President'.

If you want 'change', then change the way you vote.

Reply to post by K J Gunderson

Of course they don't. Most likely don't know either. Due largely to a whole layer several miles wide of BS rationalization. This crap has been going on since he announced canidacy. When there is really only one difference between him and the rest of the vultures. And that difference is a VERY VISIBLE difference. Thus this constant seeking for excuses to hate him. Sometimes to a silly level.


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There is no America, there is no Democracy, there is no more Republic.

Obama is just a tool of the Federal Reserve like all of our Presidents have been since 1913

The OP's argument does not bring into view the big picture.

Everytime I see an argument between a "conservative" or "liberal" or a "Republican" or Democrat...I can't help but think of squabbling children.

Republicans and Democrats are all the same, they have equally destroyed America.

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Thanks for the cliche of the day.

Can't go to any political thread on ATS without some "enlightened" poster spewing this nonsense.

Originally posted by dalan.
Everytime I see an argument between a "conservative" or "liberal" or a "Republican" or Democrat...I can't help but think of squabbling children.

Then, why don't you stop looking at people as political parties or ideologies and see them as 2 people having a discussion?

I swear, if people weren't so eager to pigeonhole everyone, we might be able to have some decent discussions.

This thread seems the perfect opportunity for me to share a recent observation, albeit not an original one.

Ironically, I am not a big fan of politics or team sports but I can’t help but notice the significant parallels between the two. (Politicians “run” for office and score “political points”, both parties have mascots, politicians "win" re-election etc.)

Despite the valiant and noble intentions of our forefathers to form a Republic, the American political system has morphed into predominantly a two party system comprised of Republicans and Democrats. Thusly represented in my analogy as Offense and Defense. (At least the “balance of power” and “checks and balances” survived somewhat in tact.)

The Democrats are currently at bat or have the ball and the Republicans are at the top of their defensive game. (I can hear the cheerleaders led by Sarah Palin, “ Push ‘em back, push ‘em back, waaaaaaay back.)

Despite whether Obama survives one or two terms, at some point the Republicans will regain possession of the ball. (Although he may seem like a rookie, if this country survived the ineptness of the prior administration, it can survive a freshman quarterback.) The pendulum will swing the other way.

Like it or not, the Democrats won the election and are at bat and the Republicans are hoping for strike outs.

I am fortunate that I am enjoying the game from a skybox and my team has the ball.
I’d like to remind you all that it is only the first quarter (1st year of a 4 year term) and it will likely be a long game.

Lets hope your mutual love of the sport (America) will triumph over any team loyalty because at the end of the day we are all Americans and no one team or party has a monopoly on that.

As Americans, we are all winners IMO.


[edit on 7-9-2009 by kinda kurious]

reply to post by mopusvindictus

This is a GREAT time for discussion because maybe given enough time to argue we will ALL wake up and see the only answer is a 3rd party president.

This is also a great time to get the voter fraud mess cleaned up. You know the dead who vote, the absentee ballots for the people who walk in to vote, and the Diebold rigged voting machines.

It is also a great time to pick out that third party candidate and get a chance to talk to him and if you like him help him get elected. That is where I will be tommorrow. - And I do not even belong to his party!

You just brought me back to the times that people told me "Bush won, get over it" time and time again. Do you know how angry that made me?

I'm a liberal and I don't like Obama. I was raging mad at all the things Bush did and I still am. Yes it bothers me that some of the people that hate Obama had no problem with Bush and actually see no similarities with what Obama does to what Bush does. But that's just some people. Others are like me and didn't like either and those people ARE made up of conservatives AND liberals.

but your mistake is perhaps one of the most infuriating mistakes that have infected this forum and that is the mistake of 1) assuming anyone who dislikes Obama liked Bush and saw nothing wrong with the atrocities he partook in and 2) the mistake that there's some sort of time limit to dissent. As if people are only allowed to dissent so much before they need to just "get over it" and get with some sort of program.

Don't tell me or anyone else that they need to get over anything because you are walking on shaking ground when you imply that people's feeling on any matter that clash with your own are somehow not valid.

I personally think some people are over the top with their viewpoints on Obama and the same can be said about Bush but I would never dare tell them that they aren't allowed to feel the way the feel. I can however tell them that to villify me for my opposing viewpoints is out of line.

IMO, you are now no better than the VERY PEOPLE you are chastising.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Can anyone explain to me why you need to have a loaded gun on you to see the president of the United States or to go to a town hall meeting?

* Confusion
* Inability to make decisions
* Hallucinations
* Changes in eating or sleeping habits, energy level, or weight
* Delusions
* Nervousness
* Strange statements or behavior
* Withdrawal from friends, work, or school
* Neglect of personal hygiene
* Anger
* Indifference to the opinions of others
* A tendency to argue
* A conviction that you are better than others, or that people are out to get you

Health Square.com

I believe this sums up those on the edge on both sides though it appears at least from the media that the far right wing fringe has more of these that are actively participating in the current S*^^& hitting the fan.

Most of the far left wing fringe are high on something somewhere saying "what ever man".

They are comming out of their bunkers! Watch out.

[edit on 7-9-2009 by Xeven]

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by orderedchaos
I apologize, as my confusion came for the all over rant, it was hard to find the point.

Now that I've read it again, I've come to the conclusion that you're upset because people are protesting and whining while your guy is in office.

Loaded guns. Actively preaching to pray for his death. Should I type more slowly so you actually get it?

Please, feel free to type at whatever speed is comfortable. But if you'd read more than two sentences, you'd have read that people who carry guns to a situation like that, or would pray for a man's death are nuts, crackpots, out of their minds. They're crazy.

Where were they when others were in office? How the hell should I or anyone else know. Maybe they can't afford their medications since banks made off like bandits while the rest of the country is left to sink like the titanic. Maybe a lot of things. But it's kind of hard to make sane logic of an insane scenarios.

So you are saying that if you can cheat, steal and commit fraud and no one stops you and your friends won't turn you in, that it is OK?

It is a pretty sorry thing when our highest officials are criminals.
Who do you call for help?

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Where were all the people filing lawsuits about and illegal president or denying millitary orders due to dislike for the president? Where was all this anger then? Texas, I am looking at you.

Google will reveal numerous lawsuits filed against GWB, as well as every other sitting President in your lifetime. Do you not remember the Florida fiasco in 2008? Both sides filed enough suits to make your head spin.

Likewise, there were soldiers refusing to deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq, during the Bush era.

Now, exactly why the "Texas, I'm looking at you"??? If it is about the "gun toters", the ones I recall were in NH and AZ. Explanation?

I would like to ask, did you vote in this election?

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

This is a democracy and we vote for a new president every four years. You will all get another chance in 2012.

We might get a chance to have another election in 2012. I hope there is a democracy left by then.

Being on the winning side sometimes just means you are second in line to get screwed.

It may be a hard pill to swallow for some of us, but America's populace has a track record for voting in lame ducks.

Amen to that.

Telling us to 'get over it' or 'leave' is probably not the best way to stimulate conversation. I think it's probably really good at stirring up a little hate, and heaven knows we don't have enough of that around.

I have found new respect for many of those that I argue with consistently about my disdain for the current administration. KK, BH, you know who you are.

I don't like the way things are, and I'm going to complain. There has NEVER, in my thirty years of voting, been a president elected that I voted for (cue sad music.) I really thought Nader had a chance. I'm almost to the point of giving up presidential elections altogether, but that wouldn't be American.

Yeah, to a certain extent, I have to 'get over it' but that is something I will need to work through, as we all will at one time or another. Your insisting that I do it now, or leave the country of my birth is really just a little silly.

I suppose if everyone that didn't vote for Obama left then America would be happier. As the years go on, anyone who is not happy with Obama can leave as well. At the end of four years when there are twelve people left in the U.S. you guys, and the first family, of course, will be very lonely.

But yeah, unless something seriously changes, we'll just get four more years of the same in 2012. Here's hoping for polar shift, NWO, Nibiru and WWIII. That would be better, huh?

We NEED to keep discussing, keep arguing, keep learning if we are to ever hope to change anything.


[edit on 7-9-2009 by KSPigpen]

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Well, it is not illegal to carry if you are licensed, and with the very real potential of violence breaking out at one of these events, I would take mine were I to go, too. Concealed, of course.

You probably have *no* idea how many people you walk past every day that hve guns on them. Just because you do not see them, it would be niave' to think they aren't there. Some legal, many are probably not.

However.

We know at least one of these was arranged before hand, not reason to not suspect some, if not all, others could have been as well.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Originally posted by Libertygal
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Well, it is not illegal to carry if you are licensed, and with the very real potential of violence breaking out at one of these events, I would take mine were I to go, too. Concealed, of course.

You probably have *no* idea how many people you walk past every day that hve guns on them. Just because you do not see them, it would be niave' to think they aren't there. Some legal, many are probably not.

However.

We know at least one of these was arranged before hand, not reason to not suspect some, if not all, others could have been as well.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

There is a huge difference between people passing by who happen to be carrying and openly displaying your arms at a presidential town hall meeting. You are completely missing the point. Do you all play this dumb on purpose or is it real?

What chance of violence? What town halls are you talking about? You need a gun to keep a 70 year old woman from screaming about how she does not want socialist government to take her medicare? Where is all the violence that warrants a gun?

You are all also completely dodging the quote about watering the tree of liberty. I know what that means, I thought you might as well. I guess not. I guess it is easier to be an ignorantly blind patriot when you try your hardest not to learn anything about the country you live in.

reply to post by WTFover


Selective memory to start with. And age, is most likely the second guess. (OP's)

Some other things may be:

Too young to see and recognize dissent in younger years.

Too young to have been exposed to a large number of people (or perhaps even a small number) with differing opinions outside the family idealogue, and those the family chose of likemindedness to surround themselves with.

Staying with familiar news sources and not having free access to open news sources via the internet. Media censorship is nothing new, but cable and multi-media sources with easy access for everyone is fairly recent.

reply to post by K J Gunderson


As an American citizen who voted in the last election and all others since I was 18, I have the right to "whine" as you say. Also, I would not consider leaving this country just because of who currently holds office.

No offense, but if you didn't know that we are a republic as opposed to a democracy, please spend some time reading the Constutution.

Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by Libertygal
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Well, it is not illegal to carry if you are licensed, and with the very real potential of violence breaking out at one of these events, I would take mine were I to go, too. Concealed, of course.

You probably have *no* idea how many people you walk past every day that hve guns on them. Just because you do not see them, it would be niave' to think they aren't there. Some legal, many are probably not.

However.

We know at least one of these was arranged before hand, not reason to not suspect some, if not all, others could have been as well.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

There is a huge difference between people passing by who happen to be carrying and openly displaying your arms at a presidential town hall meeting. You are completely missing the point. Do you all play this dumb on purpose or is it real?

What chance of violence? What town halls are you talking about? You need a gun to keep a 70 year old woman from screaming about how she does not want socialist government to take her medicare? Where is all the violence that warrants a gun?

You are all also completely dodging the quote about watering the tree of liberty. I know what that means, I thought you might as well. I guess not. I guess it is easier to be an ignorantly blind patriot when you try your hardest not to learn anything about the country you live in.

I don't think I missed the point, at all. I merely pointed out another perspective, but I will brush off your personal attacks for the moment, and reply as an adult.

Did you read the link? The link reveals that pople arranged to have open gun carry at a health carry rally by a radio station. There were probably quite a few people there carrying concealed.

I think perhaps you missed my point. At least one was arranged, that we have evidence of. It would be niave' to presume that perhaps others may not have been. That was my point.

What violence? Well lets see. We could start with the SEUI thug that punched the man in the face and knocked him down outside a health care rally. Or, how about the man that got his finger bitten off by an Obama/moveon.org supporter? I can see lots of potential there for violence to break out. Again, your sarcasism is noted.

The liberty tree and blood of tyrants, of coursem I know what it means. I wasn't dodging anything. I simply had nothing to say about it that I wished to share. That's my business, not yours.

I was making a point that at least one of these was arranged. It would be niave' to assume that others may not have been.

I didn't know if I replied, I was required to respond to every sentence of a post. Could you point out in the rules here where I may find that? Thanks in advance.

As for your personal attacks, I only responded so I could make my point clear. Your nastiness isn't respectable, and it completely nullifies any chance at a cohesive response, so in the future, I will choose not to replty to you.

Have a good day.