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Robert F. Kennedy: The Case Reviewed

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posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 02:10 PM
Welcome back ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for taking the time out of your day to read this eleventh case review. As stated before this series is a build up to a master thread known as the Great Clean Up. In this case review we will be delving deep into the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy. Without further wait, I presented to you, the death of a dream:

Robert F. Kennedy: The Case Reviewed


Our gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education, or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country; it measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile. And it can tell us everything about America except why we are proud that we are Americans.

RFK, University of Kansas, 3-18-67
RFK: Speeches of a Dream

Shortly after midnight in the early morning hours of, June 5, 1968, Bobby had just finished up his victory speech at the historic Ambassador Hotel on Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles. As Bobby made his way to his exit, shaking the hands of the kitchen staff. Bobby was shot, the Hotel immediately turned from a day or joy, into a day of despair. America and the world would once again change forever. RFK was rushed to Central Receiving Hospital where they were able to revive him and stabilize him. When he was stabilized he was rushed to the Hospital of the Good Samaritan for surgery. After nearly 26 hours since he was shot Robert F. Kennedy, the brother of John F. Kennedy, died much like his brother... by an assassins bullet.

"RFK must die" and "Robert F. Kennedy must be assassinated", filled the diary of the assassin. Sirhan Bishara Sirhan a Palestinian Jerusalem in 1944, and moved with his family to the U.S. when he was 12. He had been employed exercising horses at the Santa Anita racetrack until an accident in 1966, this will come in later with an eyewitness report by the name of Jerry Owen, but we will get into that later. Apparently he had been obsessed with mystical powers, apparently believing that he was learning to control events with his mind, and fascinated with hypnosis, this became even more obvious that he was slowly losing himself with his writings in his diary. Psychiatrists determined that he was highly susceptible to hypnosis, and may have produced his strange writings while in a trance. A trance? Very interesting. Could Sirhan Sirhan have been a Manchurian Candidate?

Sirhan Sirhan does not deny that he killed the Senator, however, he states continuously that he has no memory of the event. All he remembers i pouring a glass of coffee for a girl and talking to a girl. Then getting arrested.

The Crime Scene/Investigation

Sirhans guilt is a clouded in damning evidence. The major evidence that is stated to be so damning are the following: The Diary, the gun and the witnesses who took down Sirhan.

"My Thanks to all of you. Now its on to Chicago and lets win this thing." The end of Bobby's last speech. As the crowd cheered WE WANT BOBBY! Kennedy answered some of the presses answers and made his way to the back stage and began to head down the pantry to the kitchen exit. As the crowd sang, Kennedy, Kennedy Ra, Ra, Ra, a flow of gun shots could be heard as the crowd turned from cheer to despair in less than a second. The chaos had just erupted in the pantry as Kennedy laid on the ground bleeding heavily.

But what happened in the Pantry? What does the official report state?

Kennedy made his way out off the stage and headed directly to the pantry.

The Above is taken from the episode of Unsolved Mysteries.

After Kennedy made his way past the narrow corridor and made it the pantry area, Sirhan Sirhan immediately appeared in front of the Senator and shot the Senator 3 times. Striking him once in the BACK of the head and two bullets entered at the REAR of his right armpit. One exited from his chest and the other lodged in the back of his neck. That is how Kennedy was assassinated, according to the official reports.

Sirhan Sirhan was reported at being 10 feet in front of Kennedy as the shots rang out. A reported 8 shots were fired, the amount the .22 caliber revolver could hold. Sirhan Sirhan had shot four others and many of witnesses, stated that the shots sounded like that of a machine gun, that they were fired so fast that many believed there was more than one gun used.

After the assassination Sirhan Sirhan became the subject of much intrigue. Many stated, his family and friends, that he was not excitable, did not have mental issues, nor was he politically ACTIVE. Yet he had a book stating that he wanted to kill RFK and that the urge was becoming to strong to ignore anymore. Sirhan Sirhan was now the only assassin and the only person that the government and Police department acknowledged. Sirhan stated that he did not remember assassinating the president, which was ignored without a second of a doubt among the department and government. To understand what took place we must now investigate Sirhans guilt, however, one thing is for certain, he did shoot and he did attempt to kill Kennedy, the question now is: Was it his gun that killed Kennedy?

Upon closer inspection to the evidence and investigation. We see right off the bat that something was becoming amiss with Sirhans life. In the official document, created by the FBI Los Angeles Field Office.

Three things bothered me:

An assassination attempt was plotted at a Hotel, much similar to the plot in the Ambassador hotel. When Kennedy was walking through a large crowd, his secret service agent felt a weapon in a man’s shirt and detained him. It was a gun and Robert was NEVER told that this event happened. The event is below:

[atsimg][/atsimg] FBI LAFO

Sirhan is stated to have been very intelligent and handy around the farm. However, Sirhan was hurt on the job and after he was hurt on the job, his personality changed.

[atsimg][/atsimg] LAFO

And his personality change:

[atsimg][/atsimg] LAFO

NOTICE he suffered a head injury! Why is this important? This could explain why he has changed. A lot of people that suffer from head injuries suffer from personality disorder. And if this disorder is built upon by a trained professional, it could be used as a tool to create a Manchurian Candidate. But was this the scenario that took place? Lets slow down before we get to the theories, we still have more investigating to get to...

The above photo demonstrates where Bobby was shot. Sirhan Sirhan was not in that vicinity, nor could he get his shots off that way! He was straight ahead, not off to the back or to the side. The shots could not have been from Sirhan.

The Autopsy

The autopsy reported stated that the shots came UPWARD to hit Kennedy! That means that they came from below the Senator. It also stated that gun powder was on Kennedy's head, when tests were done. The shot was said to have come from 1 inch to 2.5 inches away.

Not to mention this important piece of info, which is considered to be ONE of the most valuable pieces of info in the Kennedy Conspiracy...

According to two highly respected ballistics experts: famous New York criminalistics professor Herbert Leon MacDonnell and California state crime lab veteran Lowell Bradford. In their experiments and SWORN testimony, in the investigation for a second shooter, however, I will save this info for later. The next important piece of evidence would be the unknown bullet holes.

I will explain this to the best of my known ability and fortitude...

According to the official report, five other people were also wounded: William Weisel of ABC News, Paul Schrade of the United Auto Workers union, Democratic Party activist Elizabeth Evans, Ira Goldstein of the Continental News Service and Kennedy campaign volunteer Irwin Stroll.

That is a total of 5 Bullets, now Kennedy was struck 3 times. Three timese in the Upper Body. That is the entire clip of Sirhans gun. Now we have to figure out where these shots came through:

Where did these shots come from? If they are remnants of a through and through, then that would solve a few problems. HOWEVER! Let’s think about this, the total number of bullets found in the door was three; two on top and one on the bottom. Sirhan shot the 5 others and that would explain Sirhans rounds, however, that would beg to ask, who shot Robert Kennedy?

Continued Below:

[edit on Sep 6th 2009 by TheMythLives]

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 02:10 PM

The second shooter, where was this person's location and more importantly what about the infamous lady in the polka dot dress? Lets continue our investigation. After examining the "extra" gunshots, that clearly alerted a red light. Also according to even more reports their were gun shots in the cieling! And floor tiles. However, these tiles and nearly everything in the pantry were destroyed. Reasons are still and will forever be, unknown.

Now lets look deeper into the investigation, according to eye witness accounts:

"It sounded as if there was more than one gun being used at that point."
– Booker Griffin to the LAPD, 7/25/68.
The Grand Illusion

"My God, he had a gun and we let him go by."
– Joseph Klein, referring to a man leaving the pantry in the hurry while Sirhan was being subdued, to LAPD, 7/3/68.
The Grand Illusion

"The guy with the gun could have left. No one seemed to pay any attention."
– Darnell Johnson to LAPD, 7/24/68.
The Grand Illusion

Not to mention possibily the most controversial witness: Sandy Serrano. Personally, I descredit Serrano. Her story changed at least 10 times in the course of telling it. So quite simply, I do not believe her story, however, their are more witnesses here:

A "girl wearing a dress with polka dots." Lonny L. Worthy said he saw Sirhan during the evening in the Ambassador standing next to a woman and he thought they were together. Susan Locke stated a "suspicious looking" polka-dot-dress woman in the Embassy Ballroom prior to RFK's speech. Locke said the woman seemed "out of place" and "expressionless" during the celebrations for RFK's California Primary victory. She said the woman wore a "white dress with blue polka dots." Nurse Gloria Farr described seeing a man who bore a resemblance to Sirhan next to a woman wearing a "polka dot scarf."

A lot of witnesses stated that thier was a Polka Dot dress women, next to Sirhan Sirhan, however, what they fail to tell you (The Conspiracist), they fail to state that MANY OF THEM retracted their story after learning that Serrano's story was not true.

DiEugenio and Pease, The Assassinations, p. 588. It should be noted that Gizzi (Chairman of Youth for Kennedy) was actually in the company of six young girls who all supported her report. The girls had all been interviewed on June 6 by Ramparts detectives. However, an LAPD memo (apparently of August 5) instructed that all these persons were to be re-interviewed, informed that the Serrano story was false and offered a “tactful” opportunity to correct their statements. The memo goes on to record that each girl was re-interviewed “in the presence of their parents”.

Several of the girls (unnamed) retracted or qualified parts of their earlier remarks – although all of them still insisted that the individuals they had seen and reported stood out to them because of their behavior. And, and in particular, the young man’s clothing was very out of place. During the re-interview, the young woman were unable to identify a “new” mug shot of Sirhan as the person they had seen.

This summary LAPD memo states that various individuals interviewed during the investigation had made strong statements abut seeing Sirhan accompanied by other individuals. “However, each individual was re-interviewed in depth and has either retracted their statement after they have been proven false or have voluntarily modified their previous statements.”
Lies and Lies and Even more lies

According to Mel Ayton, the writer of The Forgotten Terrorist – Sirhan Sirhan and the Murder of Senator Robert F. Kennedy. Compiled a HUGE list of photos and a eye witness reports and linked them together. In his book he shows detailed pictures of more than 10 women in Polka Dot dresses that day. To give an example:

Clearly their are more than one persons in a polka dot dress. I mean lets be honest now, chances are a person who resembled Sirhan Sirhan, much like the man in the picture next to the woman with the white and black polka dots. He resembles Sirhan Sirhan, however, he is not Sirhan Sirhan. Personally, their probably was a Polka dot dressed lady, but she was not associated with Sirhan. Some of the reports were bold face lies and other reports were just mis-identification.

However, how does one Explain the clear audible voice of a woman saying we killed him? Well according to this report, this in my mind is solved:

Dan Moldea believes a rational answer can be found in reports about Republican Max Rafferty's party which was held in the same hotel that night. Apparently, as Moldea suggests, there had been considerable opportunity that night for alcohol - fueled friction between the thousands of liberal supporters of RFK and Alan Cranston and that of right-wing Max Rafferty supporters. An FBI report reveals how, on the night of the shooting, a group of young people had been handing out bumper stickers in the hotel lobby. They were reddish orange in color with black lettering. According to Ambassador Hotel Security Chief William F. Gardner the leaflets made reference to JFK's death. New York reporter Jimmy Breslin believes the sticker said, “Expose The Kennedy Death Hoax.” Dan Moldea argues this report is crucial as it shows how anti-Kennedy activists were at the Ambassador that night and may have been the source of the gleeful cries that Serrano said she heard.

Serrano may also have been witness to an innocent cry of “We [i.e. the American People] shot Kennedy”; a natural response reflecting the intense concern Americans had at that time to the growing senseless violence that had become a societal phenomenon during the 1960s.
The forgotten terrorist

Since we have pretty much finished up, one important spot remains... who shot Kennedy? Sorry, but you will have to wait for that Moving along to the wonderful world of Sirhan Sirhan.

Sirhan Sirhan, stated directly after the assassination:

A police sergeant asked Sirhan Sirhan his name and got no answer. "What's the matter? Ashamed of what you've done tonight?"

"Hell no!" Sirhan Sirhan said.

How did he go from being proud of what he did, to becoming recluse and regretful? It doesn't make sense, much like Lee Harvey Oswald and the apparent witness on the bus who saw him laughing and saying that Kennedy had been assassinated (Luckily, this incident is not viewed as being truthful). But how does one go from being proud to regret? It does not happen. BTK, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, etc. They all needed to be in the lime light and proud of what they had done, in their sick twisted minds. Sirhan Sirhan is regretful and apologized to everyone and stated that he does not remember killing Kennedy.

Not remembering is so important, because either A) He's lieing or B) He really does not remember.

According to Jerry Owen:

Another strange story in the RFK case concerns Jerry Owen, the "Walking Bible." Owen himself went to authorities shortly after the assassination, with the story that he had happened to give Sirhan and another man a lift, and had subsequently gone to the Ambassador Hotel to collect $300 for a horse he was going to sell to Sirhan. Owen said he encountered there a blonde girl and two other men.

In the end, the LAPD determined that Owen, whose background of criminal violations included a conviction for arson in conjunction with a church building, was telling a tale. But why would he make up such a story?

Authors Bill Turner and Jonn Christian researched the Owen story and interviewed Bill Powers, a cowboy who ran Wild Bill's Stables less than a mile from where Owen lived. Powers told them that Owen had told him, before the assassination, about a horse trainer named Sirhan, and further that Powers had seen Sirhan in the back seat of Owen's car during a visit where Owen flashed large bills to pay off a pickup truck Powers had sold him.

If Owen knew Sirhan, was his story a pre-emptive cover story for meeting up at the Ambassador Hotel, possibly to supply a getaway vehicle?

Yet, I have to remain suspicious! Is this story of Owen true? I have a problem with this, it is very highly probable that he heard Serrano's story and made it up. That is very highly probable. However, this one set of circumstances has yet to be covered greatly and, unfortunately, does not have proper evidence for or against it. And many people believe that Owen was an accomplice to Sirhan. To provide the getaway vehcile. However, I doubt that and I do not believe this story that Owen told. I do believe Bill Powers, but I think Owen either sold something or won a bet. There are many reasons why someone could have a lot of bills on them.

Continued Next Post.

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 02:10 PM
All Book Excerpts are from:

Now has come the time, to understand. The theories:

The Theories

Was it the CIA?

Morales was a legendary figure in CIA covert operations. According to close associate Tom Clines, if you saw Morales walking down the street in a Latin American capital, you knew a coup was about to happen. When the subject of the Kennedys came up in a late-night session with friends in 1973, Morales launched into a tirade that finished: "I was in Dallas when we got the son of a bitch and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard." From this line grew my odyssey into the spook world of the 60s and the secrets behind the death of Bobby Kennedy.
Did the CIA kill Bobby

We move to Washington to meet Wayne Smith, a state department official for 25 years who knew Morales well at the US embassy in Havana in 1959-60. When we show him the video in the ballroom, his response is instant: "That's him, that's Morales." He remembers Morales at a cocktail party in Buenos Aires in 1975, saying Kennedy got what was coming to him. Is there a benign explanation for his presence? For Kennedy's security, maybe? Smith laughs. Morales is the last person you would want to protect Bobby Kennedy, he says. He hated the Kennedys, blaming their lack of air support for the failed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961.

And of course Morales hated Kennedy. Not only did he hate Bobby, but he hated all of them:

"I was in Dallas when we got the son of a B... and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bas...."

Notice his word of WE. So important, we, we, we... As suspected, no assassination was acted upon by a lone gunmen.

Kennedy's Guard: Thane Eugene Cesar

The guard to Kennedy's right and the ability to shoot at the proper angle.

Thane Eugene Cesar was a security guard assigned to keep the pantry area clear for Kennedy. As Kennedy walked through the pantry, Cesar was immediately behind him on his right side. Autopsy results and other analysis indicated that the shots that hit Kennedy came from a few inches away, hitting his right rear side, and were fired at a sharp upward angle. Cesar was behind Kennedy's right side, close enough to touch him. He said later that he crouched behind Kennedy as the shooting began. And he drew a gun that he had been carrying. By all known witness accounts, Sirhan was never closer to Kennedy than three feet, was always in front of Kennedy, and was firing in a straight line, not upward. However, Cesar passed a 1994 polygraph examination related to the possibility that he shot Kennedy.

And well, that’s about it. Not to many shooters and not enough room for more than two. However, who ordered the hit? Unknown. Perhaps it was LBJ, LBJ did not like JFK and he HATED Bobby with a passion. LBJ was the one person who was bothered by RFK in politics and to see yet ANOTHER Kennedy in office would be too much to bear, so he ordered Kennedy's assassination. It’s a possibility; however, one cannot be sure.

Now its time for the final wrap up:

My Theory/Closing Statements


I have bad news for you, for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and killed tonight. Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice for his fellow human beings, and he died because of that effort. In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it is perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in. For those of you who are black -- considering the evidence their evidently is that there were white people who were responsible -- you can be filled with bitterness, with hatred, and a desire for revenge.

We can move in that direction as a country, in great polarization -- black people amongst black, white people amongst white, filled with hatred toward one another. Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and to replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand with compassion and love. For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and distrust at the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I can only say that I feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man. But we have to make an effort in the United States; we have to make an effort to understand, to go beyond these rather difficult times.

My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He wrote: "In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God." What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or they be black. So I shall ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King, that's true, but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love -- a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke.

We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times; we've had difficult times in the past; we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; it is not the end of disorder. But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings who abide in our land. Let us dedicate to ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people.
Kennedy Speech

The Death of a Dream, Robert F. Kennedy in a way surpassed his brother and became the hope of the American way. The hope of a better future without Hate, without un-necessary life, and without despair. For everything he stood for, the powers that be once again, killed a national person of hope. Yet how did they accomplish this assassin? I will do my best to recreate everything and set the stage and the evidence for a conspiracy and perhaps shed some light on Robert F. Kennedy's death.

As he made his last speech and finished on a note of confidence and reassurance, the crowd felt the energy. Kennedy left through the back and was assassinated. To better understand what took place here we need to first understand what happened to Sirhan Sirhan before this event...

According to Mary Groh, a western union operator, stated that Sirhan Sirhan was so transfixed on the teletype machine. "[H]e came over to my machine and started staring at it. Just staring. I'll never forget his eyes. I asked what he wanted. He didn't answer. He just kept staring."

Now a teletype machine makes the noise of: ooof ooof ooof ooof and on occassion it will ooov ooov ooov and when it gets going it will click click click. However, she stated that he was transfixed on this machine. Now I want to bring you to an event that happened before this, Sirhan Sirhan was injuried on his job and suffered a head injury. Now a fact is that any type of head injury can result in personality change. And guess what personality change occured with his head injury, according to his family as stated above. The fact now comes in, was he programmed when he went for medical treatment? Who was the person that programmed him to be a manchurian candidate? If that is in fact what he was? Well according to William J. Bryan, Jr. A hypnotist who is stated as working for the CIA, he bragged about hypnotising Sirhan Sirhan.

A well known Fact according to my mind control thread,Mind Control: The True Tale of Manipulation, the following events happened in the MK-ULTRA experiments:

CIA document and page number: 190684, pp. 1, 4
Title: Outline of Special H Cases
Date: 7 January 1953

In a general request for volunteers [deleted names] volunteered for H [hypnosis] experimentation and were originally tested on 21 May 1951. Both girls, at this time, were nineteen years of age. These subjects have clearly demonstrated that they can pass from a fully awake state to a deep H controlled state via the telephone, via some very subtle signal that cannot be detected by other persons in the room, and without the other individuals being able to note the change.

It has been shown clearly that physically individuals can be induced into H by telephone, by receiving written matter, or by the use of code, signal, or words. Control of those hypnotized can be passed from one individual to another without great difficulty. It has also been shown by experimentation with these girls that they can act as unwilling couriers for information purposes, and that they can be conditioned to a point where they believe a change in identity on their part even on the polygraph.


posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 02:11 PM
Again, I will lay out the core of my theory it is up to you, the reader, to connect your own dots. I have my own, but once again they are as good as anyone else's... Just theories


Remember what the teletype machine makes the noise of: ooof ooof ooof ooof and on occassion it will ooov ooov ooov and when it gets going it will click click click. Something is very interesting here, because in Sirhans diary he wrote that pay to the order "of of of of". Was this a programming technique? Was this the program that set him into his assassin mode earlier that day? Could this have been the event? Quite possibly yes. Sirhan Sirhan could have been a mind control victim. Lets look into things further:

George Plimpton, one of the men who attempted to unarm Sirhan, remembers clearly what bothered him the most about the situation and that was Sirhans smile. George stated that Sirhans eyes were "dark brown and enormously peaceful." Another man near to Sirhan stated that Sirhan seemed "very tranquil". Vincent Di Pierro and Martin Patruski, stated that Sirhan appeared to be smiling. Yosio Niwa said, "I'll never forget that guy's face...I was so upset...he was smiling...."

Vincent DiPierro stated that:

According to the official report, the Patrolmen believed that Sirhan Sirhan was on some type of Drug or Under the Influence, so to test this hypothesis a patrolman shined a flashlight in Sirhan's eyes to check for indications of drugs or alcohol. The officer stated that Sirhan's pupils "didn't react" to the light and that they "were real wide". However, when the trial arrived Sirhans blood tests were lost and of course the officer recanted his story. Seems like a strange coincidence to me.

Sirhan Sirhan fired from a range of 4-10 feet away from the Senator. Striking him in the back of the head and the back of the arm pit and chest. How does that happen? Well according to, the simply is not only physically impossible, it’s almost laughable, because of how impossible it is. It’s not improbable, it’s simply IMPOSSIBLE.

The shots came directly from behind Kennedy yet who was there?

In my opinion the most important piece of evidence if as follows:

****Lisa Urso, a young high school girl stated that she saw Sirhan raise his gun and began to fire, in which RFK went "forward" and then fell backward.****


Falling forward and then falling backward could be signs of being shot from behind. Kennedy is shot in his shoulder (from behind) he falls forward, he is shot again in the back and twists and then the final shot comes from the back of the head in which Kennedy collapses falling backwards.

According to two highly respected ballistics experts: famous New York criminalistics professor Herbert Leon MacDonnell and California state crime lab veteran Lowell Bradford. In their experiments and SWORN testimony, in the investigation for a second shooter, they gave their reports as follows (Directly taken from his sworn affidavit:

1) The bullet removed from the late Senator Robert F. Kennedy, exhibit #47, and the bullet removed from Mr. Weisel, exhibit #54, could not have been fired from the same weapon.

2) The bullet removed from the late Senator Robert F. Kennedy, exhibit #47, was not fired from the Iver Johnson .22 Cadet #H53725, the revolver reportedly taken from Sirhan.

Not to mention that, but according to Harper, who is considered the hero of the RFK conspiracy stated in his sworn affidavit:

My examinations disclosed no individual characteristics establishing that Exhibit 47 [the Kennedy neck bullet] and Exhibit 54 [the Weisel bullet] had been fired by the same gun. In fact, my examinations disclosed that bullet Exhibit 47 has a rifling angle of approximately 23 minutes (14%) greater than the rifling angle of bullet Exhibit 54. It is, therefore, my opinion that bullets 47 and 54 could not have been fired from the same gun.

That is according to actual experts. This is huge and has been published many times, however, a proper rebuttal has yet to be stated concerning these facts.

According to Don Schulman, a radio runner stated that had seen a security guard fire three times, from a crouched position. He went on live radio and stated that Kennedy was shot 3 times. The offical report at the time stated that Kennedy was only hit twice, none the less Don stuck with his story and he was proven right. When his story was found out to be right, he was brought in for interrogation and Don still stuck to his story, he stated that the Guard did fire 3 times, but he cannot be sure if it was aimed at Kennedy. Of course this Interrogator stated continously, are you positive? He did assert that he saw the guard fire three times and Kennedy hit three times, but admitted he couldn't necessarily connect the two events.

That leaves only one man... Thane Eugene Cesar, the guard who's gun was never checked and the guard who an extreme hate for Kennedy. Thane Cesar was in the correct position, witness testimony states that he was BEHIND Kennedy to his right. Thane stated that he crouched down and pulled his gun. Why would he crouch behind the Senator if his JOB was to PROTECT the Senator from getting assassinated?

Thane's gun was a .38 however, Thane had .22 much like Sirhan Sirhans, the question is... was he carrying it that night? Chances are he may or may not have. Personally, I think he was, infact I think he had both guns on him that night. He sold it 3 months after that. Why would you sell a gun that you had no interest in selling before hand? It does not add up. The probability of confusion was great that night, there were so many people in the Pantry that if RFK's guards had any sense they would have cleared the rooms before bringing Kennedy in. That was human error, however, this human error would be the biggest mistake in there lives. This mistake would lead to RFK becoming yet another victim of the Powers that be.

Yet something does not make sense, when one examines RFK's enemies why would a regular man want to kill Kennedy? I mean let’s look at his enemies:

LBJ (Absolutely hated RFK), Mafia, Vietnam, FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, CIA, Jimmy Hoffa, Ku Klux Klan. Yet a normal human being with no affiliation killed a Senator? And why? Apparently because RFK was against the war in vietnam, but pro Israel? How does that make any sense.... Quite simply it does not. Because when Sirhan had assassinated Kennedy those facts were still unknown. So how did he know? Again, no one really knows. But apparently the reason was because he was criticizing RFK for opposing the Vietnam War while favoring military aid to Israel. Again, he only says favoring, not that he was actually going to help, that is not motive that does not make sense to me.

FACT: Kennedy Was shot from behind
FACT: Sirhan Sirhan was in front of Kennedy

Not to mention nearly 2,500 photos were destroyed during the investigation, results for the 1968 test firing of Sirhan's gun were missing, Over 90% of the audiotaped witness testimony was lost or destroyed (including 30 KEY witnesses, of all authorities, were missing and all of them stated evidence for a conspiracy), including a young boy who apparently was behind the senator and taking pictures and video at the time (never recieved his pictures or video back and they were never used in the investigation). Sirhan did shoot people, but someone else killed the Senator.

Quite simple to comprehend the outcome.

Was there a second shooter? Yes.
Who was it? Is still up for debate....
Who hired the hit? Unknown.

Yet why was he assassinated? Because quite simply, he was the PTB's biggest threat. RFK was a man that became more powerful than his brother, becaise through him the dream lived on and with RFK dead that dream that he provided died with him. That dream was simply to restore the goodness of the American people and to destroy corruption on all levels of government and on the streets. Bobby was quite simply the walking dream and with him still around he provided the people with immeasurable hope and hope is a very dangerous thing to lose and even more dangerous to have. And in my mind, a HUGE reason was because he was going to expose them. RFK believed that his brother was killed by a Conspiracy and in an interview with Larry King the following Conversation happened:

On January 16, 1992, Robert Kennedy's press secretary, Frank Mankiewicz, appeared on "Larry King Live."

King: "Did Bobby ever express an interest in opening up the files, looking into
it?" (The JFK assassination)

Mankiewicz: "He indicated a couple of times--once to me and I gather once to
Arthur Schlesinger and once to Richard Goodwin, at least---that he was concerned about the Warren Commission verdict; that he didn't quite believe it. He asked me to learn as much as I could. And then a week or two, as I recall, before he was killed in Los Angeles, at a political meeting, he was asked if he would open the files on the assassination of President Kennedy and he said yes---if he were elected President---and he said yes, he would." ("Larry King Live" television program, CNN, January 16, 1992)

Personally that is why I think RFK was assassinated and of course he wanted peace instead of war. And nothing is more profitable than war!


RFK was just part of the Great Clean up of the 1960's.

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 02:11 PM
Thank you ladies and gentlemen! I appreciate your continued support and I hope you enjoy this case review!

Liked This Case Review?

Series 1

Marilyn Monroe: The Case Reviewed

OJ Simpson: The Case Reviewed

Anna Nicole Smith: The Case Reviewed

The Black Dahlia: The Case Reviewed

The Zodiac Killer: The Case Reviewed

Series 2

Princess Diana: The Case Reviewed

Jack The Ripper: The Case Reviewed

Lord Lucan: The Case Review

The Lockerbie Bomber: The Case Reviewed

Series 3

John F. Kennedy: The Case Reviewed

RFK: The Case Reviewed

And once again, John, Bobby, and Ted are all together once again. Standing tall next to each other in heaven.


posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 02:29 PM
reply to post by TheMythLives

SPEECHLESS, what a masterpiece of a thread. This is possibly the best presented thread I have EVER seen, I mean it really looks professional. You are also doing this being in your first semester of college too, SIMPLY FANTASTIC. I believe that you have mastered the art of making threads here on ATS, the amount of quality you put into them makes me, and I am sure everyone else, thankful that you choose to contribute with us here on ATS, rather than somewhere else or not at all. I really do not have anything else to say at the moment my friend--I am just shocked at this recent thread of yours, simply shocked by the effort and organization. In my opinion your threads should be a template, there are not many on here I say this about, but you are one of them. In my opinion you are quickly approaching FSME status. Keep up the GREAT work, I know you will anyways though.

[edit on 9/6/2009 by jkrog08]

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 03:10 PM
S&F for you sir, I find this almost too depressing to comment on however.

I just fail to understand how the gaping holes in this case were not investigated, truly astonishing.

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 03:22 PM
reply to post by jkrog08

Thank you Krog
Your words really mean a lot and your support is even great. I really appreciate it. I based some of my template on your thread Again, thank you my friend, and just wait until MLK! That thread is so I will wait on to release that one and I need to start on the Great Clean up, that thread is going to make mouth's drop and brains

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 03:24 PM
reply to post by jokei

I'm sorry your depressed my friend and I also appreciate your support! Hopefully, this shows more evidence that their was something amiss and seriously wrong that day. Evidence was overlooked and destroyed for no reason.

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 03:56 PM
Another good one, TML.

I disagree that Serrano was lying, I do believe she recanted because of the intense interrogation she was subjected to. Since she is not the only one to report about the girl with the polka dot dress and the statement of "WE killed him". She has no reason to lie as far as I know and what she says is consistent with other accounts given that evening.

Why did the LAPD destroy the evidence, most importantly the doorjamb with the bullet holes?

IMO Sirhan and LHO were mind control subjects, manipulated to be at the scenes to be the patsy. He doesn't remember it and that makes no sense for someone who supposedly wanted to commit this crime. Since there is no way he could have shot Kennedy from behind that obviously points to someone else.

Why was the photographers pictures taken away from him and when he finally got them back many years later the pictures taken in the pantry were all missing. I would love to see those photos, probably put an end to all this right now.

So, WHO is the girl in the polka-dot dress and what is her role in all this? I am still unsure but there has to be some explanation. Was she the one feeding the "triggers" to Sirhan? If so, why did he not even hit Kennedy with shots from just a few feet away? The whole OS makes little sense - like so many our government has foisted upon us. Who also was the guy with her? What was his role? They both were reported immediately after the shooting running away saying "We did it". Who are these two and who is WE? From what I understand, her and the guy weren't in the pantry when RFK was shot, they were gone by then but were there shortly before he was shot, talking to Sirhan.

One can make a case for almost any organization to have killed both JFK and RFK. They pretty much pissed off everyone - the Mafia, big business - don't forget the U.S. Steel incident with JFK, LBJ - he hated them both with a passion, CIA, FBI - although I'd bet money that Hoover was helpful with the killing of JFK. But the evidence, or what is left of it and what hasn't been obfuscated and lied about(magic bullet comes to mind) and the fact that neither Sirhan doesn't remember it and LHO didn't know why he was in custody and was "shut up" by Ruby before he could say much of anything make for ideal Manchurian Candidates. They were manipulated so we could have the official "lone gunman" stories. Striking fear into everyone that a lone nutjob can be capable of these types of acts. As I also believe happened in Columbine - in this case, two people - and Virginia Tech. Those cases were not political targets but the ends to the means play into gun control fanatics hands and we have all seen the laws passed against owning guns, carrying them and even the ammo. Heck, I bet I could go walking down the streets of Las Vegas here and find a gun to buy in just a couple of hours yet if I went to a gun shop who knows what kind of hoops I would have to go through to get one. Considering the Constitution clearly states it is my right to own a gun.

IMO, mind control plays a huge part in these assassinations. I do not believe LHO nor Sirhan - and later on in this series, James Earl Ray - had ANYTHING to do with these killings.

They want us to fear everyone. Fear is a powerful tool. It works in amazing ways. Just look at the support Bush had for his invasions of countries that had nothing whatsoever to do with the official lie's concerning 9/11. It also plays into this Orwellian nightmare we are living nowadays, where everyone is a suspect and subject to be questioned for anything, no matter how ridiculous. Everyone is committing thought crime and must be stopped before they do something against the norm or against the ridiculous billions of laws they have levied against us. Fear is a great manipulative tool and works in amazing ways.

I couldn't find full versions of these to embed. If anyone wants to watch them uncut they can be viewed here:

EDIT: Sorry the bloody embeds didn't work. I would just go to the other site and watch the full versions instead of ten minutes at a time. Youtube sucks.

[edit on 9/6/2009 by TheLoony]

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 04:18 PM
reply to post by TheLoony

Well the problem, I have Serrano was that she was outside? That doesn't make any sense at all. Such an avid RFK supporter? Also a police officier who was their stated that she was not at the stairs, because that was his beat and she was no their. Not to mention taht before she was interrogated she changed her story three times, saying that was sitting down, then standing up and then that was run into by the Polka Dot dress lady. Little inconsistencies bring great and big conscrepencies. A few witnesses stated that she was actually in the hall way at the time or the shooting. The harsh interrogation in my opinion, was necessary.

For more info, I would suggest this article:

The forgotten Terrorist

I explained the We shot him, bit above. Which was another discrepency, she first stated that they said, We shot him and then it turned to say, "WE KILLED HIM" Well? Which one was it. That was the main reason for the interrogation, her twisting stories of the words.

The Polka Dot dress lady, in my opinion, is also solved in the above link and in the OP's. There were so many girls with Ploka Dot dresses. However, the rest that you stated makes me wonder as well, the photos that were destroyed the missing evidence. I personally think that Sirhan was under hypnosis at the time. I think I proved my case above, or at least I hope i


posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 04:26 PM
Anytime that many documents, recordings, etc.. are lost or disappeared, it should be a huge red flag that they didn't punish the right person. What makes me sick is that all they have to do is wait it out. No punishment ever comes their way and time is definitely on their side. Same thing happened with his brother's murder. Disgusting.

[edit on 6/9/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 04:37 PM
reply to post by TheMythLives

Once again.........

Great job TML,i like,i like, i like

including a young boy who apparently was behind the senator and taking pictures and video at the time (never recieved his pictures or video back and they were never used in the investigation).

I remember watching a documentary a few years back which spoke to this boy, now a man of course, and he said he got a perfect shot of the real killer. He was then chased down a corridor and wrestled to the ground, whereupon his camera film was stolen and he was told never to tell anyone what he saw.

I cant remember who he said did it, but i think he said it was someone standing directly behind RFK.

I just cant believe how the powers that be get away with this TIME AND TIME AGAIN!

The term 'Official Story' means nothing anymore.

Its a miracle they didn't come up with another 'Magic Bullet Theory' for this one,or did they? I mean, how could they possibly explain it?

Never has the term...DENY IGNORANCE been more applicable than to these quite embarrassingly weak 'Official Stories'.

Once again Myth......great job.
Roll on MLK.

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 04:42 PM
reply to post by LiveForever8

Yea, I read that he was wrestled and detained. They took his film and video and released only a half of the content he took. The only people behind Kennedy with reasonable access to a gun was Thane. Strange crap happened that night my friend. And I am tired of the Powers that be killing and getting away with their madness. Eventually order will destroy the chaos they make
Have hope and let the dream survive.

In the words of Ted kennedy:

For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die.

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 05:04 PM
I am fairly handi with a rifle .. in 1998 I went to colorado and had fun at a private ranch with gun nuts and long range shooters.
one thing we did was have an oswald shoot .

we all used a M-14 , semi auto at the same range , height and with a moving target traveling at 15 miles per hour in a straight line away from the building ( a barn with hay bail bench rest )

I managed two hits in a cantalop in 7 seconds .
a few managed three .
more than half the people there in 1998 did not manage more than one hit with a semi-auto .... and oswald did it with a bolt action rifle .

the point of the contest was not to be grotesque .
it was to make clear that it was nearly imposable to beleive what we were being told .

the people around me were some of the finest marksman in the world IMO .

which means: as president , RFK would have the full weight of the goverment behind him to learn , what did happen .

police who have no faith in their wepons have nightmares about their barrels softening and bending down limp , turning to soft rubber... or being in a gun fights with bullets that fall out of their barrels to the ground .
people have nightmares after combat , where the people can not be killed , or their blood will not wash off ... because they have unresolved issues .

this is important because , assinsin's have a common nightmare .
where their dead will get up again and again ... they will not stay dead .... because in the assinsin's mind he knows that son's , fathers and brothers will follow tomarrow , those who are killed today .

can you imagine the fear in the heart of those who got paid once , but got to live with the unresolved ghosts hunting them .

little wonder RFK was killed .

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 05:16 PM
( post script )

you might try an oswald shoot , the data is not hard to get , and once done , you can say with conviction , " what a load of #$%$^%... find me one person who can do in 7 seconds what you are telling me oswald managed and we can talk ."

two story building + 15 feet , 800feet away ... 20mph moving target , bolt action rifle , in 7 second ... put up or shut up .

try it some time... its a hoot .

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 05:37 PM
reply to post by readerone

Yea, it sounds almost comical. Oswald was good, but not that good. The wind, the cars speed, the aim, the movement of when he was first shot, the readjusted aim, the reloading, the reaiming... shameful.. Good post

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 05:45 PM
TML, another fantastic case review. I read your JFK review the other day which was awsome. I have been interested in the RFK assassination conspiracy for decades but information seems harder to come by than whats out there re: JFK. You have tied everything together from various sources into a clear and concise reference. I want to thank you for the research and hard work which you obviously put into this as it was easier than slogging through a 500+ page book. I always thought the ultimate reason for the RFK killing was the supposed threat of him opening up the JFK assassination report if he was elected. It's just amazing what lengths the PTB will go to accomplish the feat. Kudos to a job well done and am looking forward to the '60's clean-up' case.

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 06:08 PM
reply to post by UnBreakable

Thank you for the kind words my friend
It really means a lot and is much appreciated. RFK, JFK, MLK, X and many others were killed for the same reasons. Hence the great clean up. I think all of you will enjoy that.

posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 08:05 PM
reply to post by TheMythLives

Very thorough.
I'm not a MOD but applause anyway. S & F.
As always it's going to take me a bit to read through the thread. I'm a tad bit busy at the moment. I'll for sure read through it and post a reply and probably a whole bunch of questions later I'm sure.

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