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You’ve Been Suckered!

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posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 09:53 AM
I take this off John Galt's blog: Shenandoah

A caller to Neal Boortz’s radio show made about the most intelligent point that I have ever heard on the various Obamanation subjects of his speech to the school children next week and the Obamacare debate. I believe his name was “John” (no relation, my apologies if I’m wrong) and he called in the 11 o’clock hour of this mornings program if memory serves me correctly. He said that the conservatives and protesting parents regarding the Obama speech to the children was the perfect political plan and typical of the advisers to this administration. Think about it gang, you’ve been suckered.

You take your kids out of class next Tuesday. You send angry letters to local school officials or call principals and vent. You scream bloody murder or set up a boycott in front of the school. Then Obama presents his speech and it is released to his willing allies in the MPM (Mainstream Propaganda Managers, there is no more MSM) and guess what? The speech starts with Obama reciting the United States Pledge of Allegiance, proceeds to the importance of staying in school and getting good grades, and highlights some of the positive contributions that the public education system has promoted for society as a whole. In other words the much speculated indoctrination speech was shelved and the much ballyhooed over reaction is portrayed as sponsored by political operatives looking to sabotage America and this Presidency. Guess what gang? The ignorant sheeple will buy that also....

Bingo! The conservative movement is minimalized, the sheeple stop paying attention and the night after the education speech, we get the joint session of Congress presentation where the liberals have already been tipped to act within the desires of the White House and a much more “moderate” Obama appears before the nation. This allows some sort of plan to sail through because he turns the tide of public opinion on two fronts and while us suckers go “damn, he got us” the foundation for the real health care program he REALLY wants is buried in administrative department initiatives and creations throughout the “new” bill.

So please folks, be careful about your reactions. Don’t fall for this. Don’t act insane. Express your concerns but act reasonably. If you think a 50% absentee rate in your children’s schools will matter, it will not as they will spin it as “loons and right wing radicals” attacking the President in America’s time of need. Be careful as to what you wish for as this administration has all of the SLICK that Slick Willie’s administration enjoyed because of the people working in the background. These are dangerous times and if you attempt to divert the subject matter from what is really important they will play you like a sucker and leave any legitimate claims to be represented in public opinion in the future as fluffernuttery and conspiracy nonsense.

I do think he makes a good point and this seems like a pretty sneaky plan on the part of the President if he thought of this (which is probably did).

I hate politics. It's all a giant game of who can make who look worse.

Edited to add that I do actually think he's up to something with this speech, just not to sure what it is yet...

[edit on 9/5/2009 by Tentickles]

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 10:30 AM
I especially agree that we must keep our knee-jerk reactions in check.

I am not yet convinced that the "Obama-driven" subterfuge theory is entirely feasible. I still feel the true elements of manipulation come from the puppeteers, not the puppet.

Those who own and control the political parties, the media, and the pathetically misbegotten intelligentsia are the one's staging the shadow puppetry.

But having reached out to the single most vulnerable and priceless commodity we have - our children - shows that there is some level of manipulation in play.

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 10:42 AM
From everything I've been able to learn, this alleged 'indoctrination' speech is the latest in the long list of GOP/Conservative fabrications. Like the death panels, imbedded RFID chips, mandatory vaccines, denying coverage to republicans, weakening security, etc., they are simply waging viral political warfare. It's not the protesting parents that are being suckered. It's you folks that are acting as the GOP propaganda footsoldiers.

The GOP openly stated that they were going to 'use the healthcare debate' to discredit Obama and bring down the Democrats. This was even before detail #1 surfaced and weeks before the debate ever started. The strategy is simple: introduce some emotionally charged fairytale through some GOP politico or ally that threatens a key Obama demographic. It spreads though the internet like a virus. When the charge is debunked just drop the next one. It's the same tactic lawyers use when they say something in court that is not allowed. Opposing counsel objects, the judge instructs the jury to disaregard what they heard but, of course, that's not possible. It's already out there.

I've read countless threads here on ATS where one of these GOP charges are discussed. There will be an immediate circle-jack of people whooping it up about it which will go on for a couple of pages. Then some brave soul will make a post that cites chapter-and-verse proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the accusation is fabricated. But amazingly enough, people so want to believe this horse efffluent they will simply ignore that post and keep going right where they left off.

No, I'm not a liberal appologist. No, I'm not a democrat. No, I didn't even vote for Obama. But what the GOP is doing and the fact that all you people can be so easily manipulated is enough to make me puke. The scary part is that many of you can vote. You don't like the way things are going right now? Mark my words, just wait till you see what happens next if the GOP succeeds with this Völkischer Beobachter campaign.

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 10:45 AM
reply to post by Tentickles

Up to something...hmmm

Say teachers and school boards, which students did not attend school that day? And their home addresses and parent/guardian names? Thank you for updating our lists.

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 10:59 AM
reply to post by Tentickles

I was going to start a thread about the wait for the WH to release the planned speach. Why wait? Why wait until monday to deliver it to the media outlets?

I think you may have just answered my question.


[edit on 5-9-2009 by mikerussellus]

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:04 AM
This is blog post absolutely correct.

The ruling elite rule by creating issues(obama is indoctrinating the nations youth), this is done specifically to elicit a reaction from the masses(protests, keep kids home from school)

Then they offer a solution (change the script to a more benign patriotic language)

This was never about education or the well being of school children

The content of the Obama Speech to school children is irrelevent to the fact that the president is putting his face on the education system.

Even leading the children in the Pledge of Alligence is remincient of Hitler, Stalin and Mao

We learn to accept the president addressing the children, then when the time is right for implementing an agenda, no one will even question it

This was about minimalizing resistance to the adminstration !

Just like the healthcare debates are not about providing affordable health care. These debat are about who will pay the Big Pharma Cartel

The issue of healthcare cost being artificially high because of the profiteering done through wall streets ownership of all the HMOs and insurance companies is never even mentioned in any debate

The ObamaCare system is the same monetizing of the debt that the bail out and stimulus plans created

The taxpayers take on the burden of the insurance premiums, but the money still goes to the same place

When the debates are done and the smoke clears the power still reside with the financial elite

..and we all say well that just how a democracy works !

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:06 AM
Interesting that some of us feel like there is more to the story.

Is Obama trying to fill in the niche that JFK left empty in the hearts of Americans that no President has been able to fill? Is he making a sincere effort to connect with the kids goodwill because the government has raped them of their futures in "rush" bailouts over the last year?

I'm suspicious of everything. That is my label.

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:10 AM
I think it's hilarious that people freaked out and made such ado about nothing and now they're trying to say that it's Obama's fault and that it was his sneaky plan all along to have the right act totally insane just to discredit them!
That just cracks me totally up!

And it's SO freaking predictable!

No matter what happens... No matter how insane some people appear by their own actions and crazy reactions, no matter WHAT this president does or doesn't do, or what the people do or don't do, it's Obama's fault!

Too funny!

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:14 AM
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

I don't see it like that and here's why. If this was being said after the fact, then this would certainly look like an excuse- no doubt. Instead of admitting to over reacting, the finger would be pointed at Obama for setting them up.

However, since this is before the fact and he is warning people now to take a chill pill and don't make fools out of yourselves, it is 1). A wise warning and 2). A valid conspiracy theory instead of shifting the blame elsewhere.

He's trying to get people to calm down and offering a possible conspiracy theory why they should.

It's pretty interesting to me.

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:19 AM
reply to post by Tentickles

I actually think it is a good idea for President's to address children and I am surprised that no one has thought to do this before. I think the outrage is partisan. I honestly do. If George Bush had done it the people in an uproar now would have thought it was a sweet gesture, just as the liberals do for Obama.

Yes, this is a conspiracy theory website and I am a subscriber. I also love InfoWars and am a David Icke fan. So when I say that I think this vitriol is a big bunch of BS I am saying that from the bottom of my heart.

It's BS.

Kids do not need to be brought into their parent's politics. They pledge allegiance to a flag, not a country, anyway, so why not watch a speech on the TV from the President of the country whose flag they pledge to--it makes no sense unless you're so partisan that you can't see through your personal dislike for the man.

I didn't like Bush and Obama has certainly let me down. There's no transparency in government like he promised, we're still mired in a ridiculous, unfounded war, and Big Business is still raking it in while we're all suffering.

All that said little kids don't need to know it. Even if the parents don't tell them why they're keeping them home other kids whose parents did will talk and they will make the connection. It's like Santa. That myth is out the window as soon as one kid wakes up and tells his friends.

Kids should be shielded from this stuff. They deserve to play kickball, do their schoolwork, and believe that the people in charge know what they're doing. At least for a little while. The world will all too soon intrude on their little Eden, why rush it?

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:22 AM
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

You are so right! It does not seem to matter which way the man (Obama) turns it's all some evil plot. I don't think I am even going to bother trying to defend or respond anymore to stuff like this post in the future. There is no reasoning or common sense you can put forth to make any difference.

I am giving you a star!

[edit on 5-9-2009 by elaine]

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:32 AM
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

BH, reminds me of a joke. Obama and Bush were on a boat. They both fell overboard. Both started walking on water.

Later the NYT posted an article, "Obama walks on water. Bush can't swim."

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:35 AM
Well I look at it like this, Obama could have this speech and tell the kids you need to turn in your parents for things they say negative about the presidents agenda and everything else and the MSM is still going to spin it to make people look like "loons", even though that is wearing thin really thin.

After all Obama has picked some of the most partisan radical people to be his "czars". So the media outlets propagating this are just losing more viewers. I guess the speech is going to be released on Monday and I'm sure every parent that is concerned about this will read the speech.

I don't care if the president speaks to the kids, that isn't a big deal, but there is a fine line between speaking to the kids and trying to get the kids to talk their parents into helping pass his agenda.

Two things can happen, he can release the speech and say the speech how it is released, but he could also release the speech and then give a totally different speech. I'm sure the speech that he gives will be recorded by somebody in some school.

The fact is, Obama is being the shifty one in all of this and being very vague with what he is doing with this. So it is all Obama's fault, and if he is trying to stir things up to push his agenda he is making a huge mistake.

The OP has a point, but at the same time the public school system is nothing to brag about and Obama is being particularly vague about what his speech is going to be about.

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:36 AM
I don't agree with everything Obama thinks and does, but that spin is a pile of B$.

To take a well meaning speech geared towards children and spin it into a plan to discredit the right wing is an ignorant conspiracy theory if I ever heard one. As if Obama needs to waste his time discrediting the right when they do such a good job on their own.

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:40 AM
reply to post by John Matrix

Respectfully disagree.

Obama does nothing without seeing first how he can benefit. Chicago politics at it's best.

He will twist and spin so much that pretzels will be jealous.

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:53 AM
OK, let me get this straight... Obama announces he is going to give a speech to school kids, encouraging them to stay in school, work hard, get good grades, etc. Not the first time a President has done so.

A certain segment of the population goes batcrap crazy about the idea.

And now it comes out that that reaction was Obama's plan, and therefore his fault?

Whatever happened to taking responsibility for your own actions?

Note: "your own" in the generic sense, not directed to any particular person or member of ATS.

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:56 AM
reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic

It's the messenger, not the message.

I'm sure Hitler gave nice uplifting speeches. Not going to trust him either.

Just sayin'

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:08 PM
reply to post by mikerussellus

You have a future in the GOP my friend. See how easily we can link Hitler's speeches to Obama? Holy crap man. Many other Presidents have had speeches to school kids. When I was a kid, a very long time ago, every morning we would face the picture of Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican by the way) and say the Pledge of Allegiance. Followed by The Lord's Prayer. There were no calls of Nazism, Socialism and government manipulation back then.

John Kennedy made his famous 'Ask not...' speech to the nation. It seemed to me that Obama was attempting to do the same thing. But clearly when Reagan and GWB addressed schools and when George Junior read them stories about goats everything was all above-board and hunky dory. But let Obama try it and that Nazi, Communist, Chicago-gangland, racist bastard must be up to no good. I mean Glenn Beck and Limbaugh says so. It HAS to be true.

The only thing that amazes me about this is that the GOP is just as effective at screwing up this country when they're NOT in power as when they ARE. You people should be very afraid of that fact.

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:16 PM
Of course just to play devil's advocate into unfounded fears. Any possibility that a second speech could be broadcast at a different frequency just for the children to hear?


[edit on 5-9-2009 by Ahabstar]

posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:21 PM
reply to post by jtma508

I was there. College republicans, all that. Bush made me quit the party. So I became an independant. Will become a republican again when they start acting sensible.

As I've said, its the messenger, not the message.

I have no reason to trust him. He lies like most people blink.

And comparing him to Hitler was, again, linking him to a messenger. I don't think he wants to kill all the jews but I trust him as much as I would Hitler.

Not going to apologize for that.

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